Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Tony Perkis]

You believe that rian Johnson made a good Star Wars movie...

The downward trajectories of money, interest, and Disney interest in making more Star Wars feature Films...as well as the upward trajectory of dissension and complaining across the media would all beg to differ with your assessment.

Don’t hate the messenger...err...I mean...”gatekeeper”

Yes, I do think Rian Johnson made a good film. Your misguided grandstanding isn’t going to change that viewpoint. I’ve given my reasons in past posts; feel free to ignore them as you have consistently done thus far.

Also, again, you’re speaking as if there is a predetermined opinion that everyone must abide by when talking about Star Wars, and you are in no position to do so. Stop gatekeeping. Nobody asked you to hold the guard to honor the sanctity of the franchise.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, I do think Ryan Johnson made a good film. Your misguided grandstanding isn’t going to change that viewpoint. I’ve given my reasons in past posts; feel free to ignore them as you have consistently done thus far.

Also, again, you’re speaking as if there is a predetermined opinion that everyone must abide by when talking about Star Wars, and you are in no position to do so. Stop gatekeeping. Nobody asked you to hold the guard to honor the sanctity of the franchise.

The proof is in the pudding sales...

And here’s where it sucks for you: that’s also the only thing Disney cares about...moreso than I.

I just like for Star Wars to be the iconic franchise in feel and excitement...Disney wants unlimited money potential from it.

This is the very rare occasion where they and I are at the same spot...even if our means of determining that spot are different

 

[erasure fan1]

"Some" is an understatement.

It's fascinating that people who complain about Admiral Holdo's outfit don't comprehend that some people can also be a bit critical of the Ackbar character.

People really aren't upset because some are critical of Ackbar. You can be as critical as you want to be. But he did have a 40yr plus history and was a cult classic character. And realistically, why was Holdo even needed. You had an established character, that most fans loved, who could have been the hero. And that would have been much more impactful to a lot more people. But that is the mess that we are in right now. Squabbling back and forth over things that should never been an issue in the first place. Ackbar is an extremely small part of most peoples issues with the sequels. But it's a symptom none the less.

 

[Mike S]

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Hm. Must’ve CGI’d over him for when he’s talking as it really didn’t look like a puppet/mask for some of the lip movements. Seemed too fluid around the corners.

 

[sedati]

Hm. Must’ve CGI’d over him for when he’s talking as it really didn’t look like a puppet/mask for some of the lip movements. Seemed too fluid around the corners.

When you can't tell, that's when they've done a good job.
The voice actor does mention having to match the lip movements of the puppet:

How this scene-stealing character from 'Rogue One' was created

Voice actor Stephen Stanton explains how Admiral Raddus came to life in "Rogue One."

www.businessinsider.com

Baby Yoda had been confirmed to be wholly puppet, wholly cgi, or a hybrid of each depending on the needs of the scene.

Also, this panel is very much worth watching, or at least skip to 44:00 to have your mind blown:


There's nothing lazy about these productions, and there's still innovation.

 

[Mike S]

When you can't tell, that's when they've done a good job.
The voice actor does mention having to match the lip movements of the puppet:

How this scene-stealing character from 'Rogue One' was created

Voice actor Stephen Stanton explains how Admiral Raddus came to life in "Rogue One."

www.businessinsider.com

Baby Yoda had been confirmed to be wholly puppet, wholly cgi, or a hybrid of each depending on the needs of the scene.

Also, this panel is very much worth watching, or at least skip to 44:00 to have your mind blown:


There's nothing lazy about these productions, and there's still innovation.

The free animation is what gets me. Jeez. This video also pinpoints exactly what makes these look like CGI. Look at the comparison between the regular camera shots and what looks to be very edited lighting in the final version of the scene.

I’ve never questioned the designs and prop work in these movies btw. It’s always been the story.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

On another note: here’s today’s “onion petal”:

Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Hold as Calls Go Out for New Scripts

Disney+ and Lucasfilm’s 'Star Wars' series centered on Obi-Wan Kenobi has been put on hold as the companies attempt a retooling.

www.google.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People really aren't upset because some are critical of Ackbar. You can be as critical as you want to be. But he did have a 40yr plus history and was a cult classic character. And realistically, why was Holdo even needed. You had an established character, that most fans loved, who could have been the hero. And that would have been much more impactful to a lot more people. But that is the mess that we are in right now. Squabbling back and forth over things that should never been an issue in the first place. Ackbar is an extremely small part of most peoples issues with the sequels. But it's a symptom none the less.

This is what I was talking about weeks ago...the return of “Star Wars nuclear winter”....where it’s all dissent and defense.

If I want shouting matches, I know where to find Congress.

This is frustrating for everyone...and not fun

 

[Tony Perkis]

The proof is in the pudding sales...

And here’s where it sucks for you: that’s also the only thing Disney cares about...moreso than I.

I have said, on multiple occasions, that my opinions of the Star Wars films are completely independent from Disney’s point-of-view. You would know this if you’ve read the more detailed contents of my posts.

 

[Mike S]

On another note: here’s today’s “onion petal”:

Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Hold as Calls Go Out for New Scripts

Disney+ and Lucasfilm’s 'Star Wars' series centered on Obi-Wan Kenobi has been put on hold as the companies attempt a retooling.

www.google.com

Do whatever is needed to make it good but I don’t like how the number of episodes is potentially cut down

 

[RobWDW1971]

On another note: here’s today’s “onion petal”:

Obi-Wan Kenobi Series on Hold as Calls Go Out for New Scripts

Disney+ and Lucasfilm’s 'Star Wars' series centered on Obi-Wan Kenobi has been put on hold as the companies attempt a retooling.

www.google.com

Obi-Wan Kenobi?! Who wants to see a show about him? I’m confused, since nobody really cares about the prequels and the Disney Saga has been so fantastic and has created so many characters whose journeys we care about, why dig up this fossil?!

Heck, he’s not even allowed into Batuu - because, um, well, immersion, or something.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have said, on multiple occasions, that my opinions of the Star Wars films are completely independent from Disney’s point-of-view. You would know this if you’ve read the more detailed contents of my posts.

And since it’s a mass audience...and mass markets...and mass financial involved with Star Wars....

I’m saying - after reading all your posts and mostly rejecting them for this simple reason: your opinion doesn’t really matter.

On this subject...generally I’ve seen you be much more grounded on other subjects...like Jack-O

8 caused problems...Disney has now disowned/rejected it. That’s longterm damage.

“It is what is is” is a saying I fully understand...and still hate. But it usually applies.

This is what it is.

I’m actually not dwelling. I think we need to accept the failure and move on. Be better consumers.

Digging in on 8 and trying to convince anyone is so pointless.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Obi-Wan Kenobi?! Who wants to see a show about him? I’m confused, since nobody really cares about the prequels and the Disney Saga has been so fantastic and has created so many characters whose journeys we care about, why dig up this fossil?!

Heck, he’s not even allowed into Batuu - because, um, well, immersion, or something.

Ha ha...I get your angle...

But even Disney is not attempting to paint that picture - only it’s sad, blind defenders

From a practical purpose...this was next in the pipeline after mando...

They have a creative void on + already with Star Wars. That’s bad.

6 begrudging episodes of clone wars and then a year plus gap to mandolorian.

Marvel is beating up little brother again...4-5 series in full bore prep?

Not good

 

[erasure fan1]

Do whatever is needed to make it good but I don’t like how the number of episodes is potentially cut down

What's funny, is the site that reported Obi-Wan was in trouble, was a spoof site. But I guess with the leadership we have with star wars at the moment. You can report that any star wars project is in trouble and you have a 80% chance of being right.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Do whatever is needed to make it good but I don’t like how the number of episodes is potentially cut down

Too early to tell. If the story arc doesn’t support the additional episodes, don’t have the additional episodes. Quality matters much more than quantity.

Additionally, we don’t know theepisode structure? Will it be premium television style 30 minute episodic? Sherlock-style self contained films?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Too early to tell. If the story arc doesn’t support the additional episodes, don’t have the additional episodes. Quality matters much more than quantity.

Additionally, we don’t know theepisode structure? Will it be premium television style 30 minute episodic? Sherlock-style self contained films?

The lack of direction/mandate could be an advantage to some studios...more creative freedom than the modern studio movie/franchise system

But...but...do we trust LFL story group? Honestly as it stands.

We do know that they reshot/recut 3 of 5 Disney movies heavily...one worked, 2 did not.

A similar example can be drawn from animation...most that require heavy redos don’t fare well...
One turned out to be spectacular (50 points If you guess it?)

Time will tell

 

[MisterPenguin]

This is what I was talking about weeks ago...the return of “Star Wars nuclear winter”....where it’s all dissent and defense.

If I want shouting matches, I know where to find Congress.

This is frustrating for everyone...and not fun

Then bow out of the discussion and stop trying to force everyone to have the same opinion as you with dozens of daily posts.

The only way to win Star Wars nuclear winter is not to play.

 

[Tony Perkis]

And since it’s a mass audience...and mass markets...and mass financial involved with Star Wars....

I’m saying - after reading all your posts and mostly rejecting them for this simple reason: your opinion doesn’t really matter.

Funnily enough, nobody’s opinion matters that much. Your’s doesn’t. Mine doesn’t. I still value mine much higher than your’s, like almost everybody else who have their own opinions

On this subject...generally I’ve seen you be much more grounded on other subjects...like Jack-O

You like liking TLJ is an extremist opinion? Thats an absolutely nuts opinion, objectively.

8 caused problems...Disney has now disowned/rejected it. That’s longterm damage.

“It is what is is” is a saying I fully understand...and still hate. But it usually applies.

This is what it is.

I’m actually not dwelling. I think we need to accept the failure and move on. Be better consumers.

And again, you are feeling the need to dictate what should be the opinion of a freaking Star Wars movie as if you are an expert on film and or the arbitrator of quality, when you very clearly are not.

Digging in on 8 and trying to convince anyone is so pointless.

I have, on several occasions, said it’s fine if you don’t like TLJ, because opinions are largely subjective. You don’t quite understand this concept from the opposing point of view, and it’s frankly insulting that you think your opinion is law above others. It reeks of delusion of grandeur, and it’s unearned given how close minded you are.

 

[Mike S]

Too early to tell. If the story arc doesn’t support the additional episodes, don’t have the additional episodes. Quality matters much more than quantity.

Additionally, we don’t know theepisode structure? Will it be premium television style 30 minute episodic? Sherlock-style self contained films?

Since it’s a limited series I always assumed at least an hour per episode.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Since it’s a limited series I always assumed at least an hour per episode.

And I think a 4-5 hour mini-series is perfectly fine. That’s similar to several Netflix and Prime television shows with 8 episodes.