Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Budget of TLJ was $200 Million - $317 Million
It took in $1.321 Billion in Box Office alone. That isn't a loss. Or breaking even. If we play a game and we don't tie or lose, what's it called? A victory.

And you don't remember critics mentioned Hamil/Luke? The character who makes up 1/3 of the film? Riiiight.

"What's most interesting to me about The Last Jedi is Luke's return as the mentor rather than the student, grappling with his failure in this new role, and later aspiring to be the wise and patient teacher. " - https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/star-wars-the-last-jedi-luke-skywalker/Content?oid=37051070

"Rey needs to persuade Luke to come back to the Resistance fight, but he resists. He’s a shell of his old, swaggering self, a gaunt figure in a hooded cloak: All the fight has been beaten out of him, but Hamill’s performance nonetheless shows us the still-burning soul cowering deep inside this husk of a man. Luke gets the movie’s most glorious moment, and also its funniest; Hamill deserves both. " - https://time.com/5061707/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review/

"Still, The Last Jedi belongs to Hamill in a portrayal that cuts to the core of what Star Wars means to a generation of dreamers looking to the heavens. In the 40 years since the actor first played Luke Skywalker, we’ve followed him from callow youth to Jedi master. But it’s here that Hamill gives the performance of his career, nailing every nuance of an iconic role and rewarding the emotional investment we’ve made in him. " - https://www.rollingstone.com/movies...is-is-the-epic-youve-been-looking-for-198891/

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Yep...some of those critics liked...

Their quotes just reinforced how WRONG they were...

Thanks for the legwork, my man

And you and others are being FAR too literally about the money.

This movie will not flop...nor did the last johnson (helped another one though)...

But that’s not Disney goal!!! Its bigger takes to bleed into perpetual sales of product and thirst for more IP.

Are we serious here? Is this the only thread that doesn’t understand the fundamentals of the Disney juggernaut.

You want the template?

Avengers...

Big...bigger...gigantic...biggest ever.

That’s your box office. Don’t see a 38% drop in there.

Hell...even pirates kept that going for awhile and those were pretty nuts from a corny perspective

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think this film plays very well for everyday movie goers who aren’t as invested in Star Wars.

It’s fun, action packed, and feels like Star Wars. Nitpicking, and should woulda coulda conversations aside, I foresee it having decent legs. Already seems to have better legs then Jedi.

It does...

I don’t know if that’s a good thing for Star Wars or a bad thing...

It’s on the knifes edge

 

[Disney Analyst]

It does...

I don’t know if that’s a good thing for Star Wars or a bad thing...

It’s on the knifes edge

I mean. I think it’s good, as they will still invest good money in the franchise, and the works not related to the OT have been pretty great. I have a feeling we will have some amazing Star Wars content coming in the future.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I mean. I think it’s good, as they will still invest good money in the franchise, and the works not related to the OT have been pretty great. I have a feeling we will have some amazing Star Wars content coming in the future.

They have to replace the house at LFL...they already have made enough missteps with a money in the bank franchise not to suffer that Hollywood fate.

Mandorlorian goes dark today for how long? Year and a half?

No movies on deck...other shows in “preliminary development”...

That all leads back to KK and the direction of “misdirection”

Out of sight out of mind isn’t a good thing here

 

[Disney Analyst]

They have to replace the house at LFL...they already have made enough missteps with a money in the bank franchise not to suffer that Hollywood fate.

Mandorlorian goes dark today for how long? Year and a half?

No movies on deck...other shows in “preliminary development”...

That all leads back to KK and the direction of “misdirection”

Out of sight out of mind isn’t a good thing here

It’s due for release Fall 2020, so less then a year away.

I think having Kevin involved will help. And Jon F will I’m sure become heavily involved.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s due for release Fall 2020, so less then a year away.

I think having Kevin involved will help. And Jon F will I’m sure get heavily involved.

There’s been grumbling for months about those names...we shall see if the smoke is bigger than the fire.

Ep 9 still needs heavy legs to not come in under the other...they need like 700 domestic by Monday to really be a sure thing there. We’ll see

 

[Professortango1]

Yep...some of those critics liked...

Their quotes just reinforced how WRONG they were...

Thanks for the legwork, my man

And you and others are being FAR too literally about the money.

This movie will not flop...nor did the last johnson (helped another one though)...

But that’s not Disney goal!!! Its bigger takes to bleed into perpetual sales of product and thirst for more IP.

Are we serious here? Is this the only thread that doesn’t understand the fundamentals of the Disney juggernaut.

You want the template?

Avengers...

Big...bigger...gigantic...biggest ever.

That’s your box office. Don’t see a 38% drop in there.

Hell...even pirates kept that going for awhile and those were pretty nuts from a corny perspective

You're the one who said you never saw a review mention Luke. It just shows you clearly only see what you wish to see. These are critics for major news outlets and kind of know what they are talking about. And again, as people seem to keep not hearing this, critics cannot be wrong. They are giving their opinion as a professional and a film connoisseur. They are judging artwork. You can disagree with them, but they aren't making predictions nor stating hard facts; they are giving their take on a film with the insight that their experience and education has gifted them with.

And yes, the film was a victory. Thank you for admitting that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You're the one who said you never saw a review mention Luke. It just shows you clearly only see what you wish to see. These are critics for major news outlets and kind of know what they are talking about. And again, as people seem to keep not hearing this, critics cannot be wrong. They are giving their opinion as a professional and a film connoisseur. They are judging artwork. You can disagree with them, but they aren't making predictions nor stating hard facts; they are giving their take on a film with the insight that their experience and education has gifted them with.

And yes, the film was a victory. Thank you for admitting that.

I did not recall much coverage of hamill except his own comments...

The movie wasn’t a “victory” by any means. Solo did flop...that had a lot to do with that debaucle...and 9 is having a very good week...but is still hard pressed to get to the box office of 8

Not a “victory” at all...unless you consider Custer “successful”??

 

[Professortango1]

I did not recall much coverage of hamill except his own comments...

The movie wasn’t a “victory” by any means. Solo did flop...that had a lot to do with that debaucle...and 9 is having a very good week...but is still hard pressed to get to the box office of 8

Not a “victory” at all...unless you consider Custer “successful”??

So it lost money? I'm confused. Did the movie make money for Disney?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So it lost money? I'm confused. Did the movie make money for Disney?

I think we have our positions established...I’ll work on my long irons...you practice the putts

 

[Professortango1]

Well guardians did set up the single biggest thing in the infinity saga. The infinity stones and their power. And dark world also revolved around an infinity stone. There is plot line through all the mcu movies thus far. It is extremely obvious that there was a comon plan and direction for the entire infinity saga. Something that was sorely needed in this star wars trilogy.

And the direction of Guardians was radically different than anything else in the MCU.

The Star Wars Trilogy could have definitely used some mapping out ahead of time.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The Budget of TLJ was $200 Million - $317 Million
It took in $1.321 Billion in Box Office alone. That isn't a loss. Or breaking even. If we play a game and we don't tie or lose, what's it called? A victory.

And you don't remember critics mentioned Hamil/Luke? The character who makes up 1/3 of the film? Riiiight.

"What's most interesting to me about The Last Jedi is Luke's return as the mentor rather than the student, grappling with his failure in this new role, and later aspiring to be the wise and patient teacher. " - https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/star-wars-the-last-jedi-luke-skywalker/Content?oid=37051070

"Rey needs to persuade Luke to come back to the Resistance fight, but he resists. He’s a shell of his old, swaggering self, a gaunt figure in a hooded cloak: All the fight has been beaten out of him, but Hamill’s performance nonetheless shows us the still-burning soul cowering deep inside this husk of a man. Luke gets the movie’s most glorious moment, and also its funniest; Hamill deserves both. " - https://time.com/5061707/star-wars-the-last-jedi-review/

"Still, The Last Jedi belongs to Hamill in a portrayal that cuts to the core of what Star Wars means to a generation of dreamers looking to the heavens. In the 40 years since the actor first played Luke Skywalker, we’ve followed him from callow youth to Jedi master. But it’s here that Hamill gives the performance of his career, nailing every nuance of an iconic role and rewarding the emotional investment we’ve made in him. " - https://www.rollingstone.com/movies...is-is-the-epic-youve-been-looking-for-198891/

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Uh...No.

There are other costs outside of "film budget". TLJ netted Disney about $400 Million. Nobody is claiming it lost money. We're stating it under performed. TFA netted Disney about $800 Million in profit. I'm sure Disney was prepared for a slight drop. But I guarantee you they were not prepared for an almost 50% one. Again, this is why Rian lost his trilogy. But then again, don't let facts stand in the way. It ruins your narrative.

 

[erasure fan1]

So it lost money? I'm confused. Did the movie make money for Disney?

It was a financial victory for that movie alone, I don't think that is being disputed. A victory for the brand though? That I have to agree with @Sirwalterraleigh about. Individually the movie made money no one can dispute it. But it's of my opinion that the movie did fracture star wars. Disneys idea of success is much more than just one movies individual box office. They spent over 4 billion on the brand because they wanted Marvel type box office, merchandise... the whole package. And as of right now, this new movie is tracking behind last jedi. I don't believe that was the original plan. For each saga movie to make less than the one before? I don't think so. That said, is it the end for star wars if this movie poops out at 800mil? No, the Mandalorian proves you can find success with a unified vision.

 

[Professortango1]

Uh...No.

There are other costs outside of "film budget". TLJ netted Disney about $400 Million. Nobody is claiming it lost money. We're stating it under performed. TFA netted Disney about $800 Million in profit. I'm sure Disney was prepared for a slight drop. But I guarantee you they were not prepared for an almost 50% one. Again, this is why Rian lost his trilogy. But then again, don't let facts stand in the way. It ruins your narrative.

I'm not saying Disney wouldn't have liked more money, but the film is still a success. Stating it as otherwise is factually incorrect.

 

[Professortango1]

No, the Mandalorian proves you can find success with a unified vision.

Unified vision AND giving us something we haven't seen them do a million times. Its not a Boba Fett spin off. IG-88 isn't in it. It would have been so easy to just give fanbois regurgitated characters but this series gives us a new adventure with familiar elements.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I'm not saying Disney wouldn't have liked more money, but the film is still a success. Stating it as otherwise is factually incorrect.

It not a question of whether or Disney wanted more money. Everybody wants money. Refusing to admit that it under performed shows your lack of understanding of the business that Disney is in.

For a public company, when things don't go according to projections - there are consequences. People's trilogies get axed. Other movies that have been previously green-lighted get cancelled. Directors who originally were only contracted to direct the first episode of the new trilogy get called back in to triage the mess that was made. Sound familiar? Ever stop to think why Rian Johnson wasn't given the reigns to IX after Trevorrow was canned?

Again, don't let facts get in the way. Continue with your narrative.

 

[Professortango1]

It not a question of whether or Disney wanted more money. Everybody wants money. Refusing to admit that it under performed shows your lack of understanding of the business that Disney is in.

For a public company, when things don't go according to projections - there are consequences. People's trilogies get axed. Other movies that have been previously green-lighted get cancelled. Directors who originally were only contracted to direct the first episode of the new trilogy get called back in to triage the mess that was made. Sound familiar? Ever stop to think why Rian Johnson wasn't given the reigns to IX after Trevorrow was canned?

Again, don't let facts get in the way. Continue with your narrative.

Oh, I know Disney rolled over and gave the rabid fanbois what they wanted. Most people have acknowledged that. Disney is afraid of SW fans. They can be so toxic that they can cause their creator to sell the rights. They can get performers to quit social media. They can keep a major character excluded because she's female and a minority. Nobody is arguing that Disney didn't heat up some member berry pizza rolls and serve these man children what they were crying for. I'm just saying that the end result was a mess of third film with TLJ standing out as the most interesting of the three films.

 

[erasure fan1]

Unified vision AND giving us something we haven't seen them do a million times. Its not a Boba Fett spin off. IG-88 isn't in it. It would have been so easy to just give fanbois regurgitated characters but this series gives us a new adventure with familiar elements.

Agree all the way. And they could have done the same here with the sequels. But with the lack of vision, a lot of fundamentals were missed causing the "familiar" part to be off in my opinion.

 

[Professortango1]

Agree all the way. And they could have done the same here with the sequels. But with the lack of vision, a lot of fundamentals were missed causing the "familiar" part to be off in my opinion.

Unfortunately, JJ kind of boxed in the new trilogy. The first movie had Han Solo take over as a lead once he arrived on screen. Rather than establish these new characters, they were there to find Han and to join him on his adventure. Then Han dies. JJ then sets up that Rey finds Luke. So now Johnson HAS to include Luke as a somewhat major character.

The new trilogy should have taken its time establishing these characters. A small cameo from old friends here and there, but don't make them the main characters. Then, the end of episode 8 should have had the characters in over their head and a few old friends come out of the shadows of the plot to join the fight. Then, in episode 9, we're watching the characters we've been following for 2 films and love joined by the characters we remember from years ago and were hungry for. Instead, we got a trilogy with Han, Luke, and Leia as major characters. The only new character who is fleshed out and enjoyable is Kylo Ren, and that's because there was no villain to bring back. Oh wait, JJ's asking me to hold his member berry beer.

 

[erasure fan1]

They can keep a major character excluded because she's female and a minority.

I'm sure there were some who didn't like rose because of her race/gender. But lets be real, rose was just a bad character. That's why she wasn't given a big roll in the new film. And that is why most people had a problem. I'm glad she wasn't a factor in this movie. I thought she was super personable in interviews and media stuff leading up to 8 so I was looking forward to the character. Then it just fell flat for me. It has nothing to do with the actress, but everything to do with the part she was given.