Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I too am a Star Wars fan for life since 1977 and on board with TLJ. I resented its wokeness, and the movie is a dragged out Battlestar Galactica episode. But Ryan Johnson had better ideas than JJ.

Star Wars isn't Marvel. Luke really doesn't ride out and fight the entire First Order. A sadder, older, wiser Luke makes sense. And why would he go in hiding for years, let his friends die off and the Republic he helped install fall, only to rescind at the first sight of some unknown showing up? Luke's fate was already sealed by TFA.

I’m done blaming these two bad writer/directors.

It’s all on Disney. I’ve come to the only place it could have ever ended up (Spartacus reference)...

They mandated a reboot that marginalized the backbone characters (per Michael Arndt)...they chose not to have a cohesive story team...and they thought there own brand/shield (sorry to say the poison Star Wars purists we’re right there) meant that they didn’t have to work on what it is they had bought and how to make a movie to capture the feeling.

Fail.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
So some interesting takes.

I never considered the original 3 to be popcorn action flicks...they were predominantly about characters...so if it’s an action flick...that’s not good in my book.

But the other flag for me is “feels like a sequel to the force awakens”

A dull remake that accomplished nothing?
Great...managed to make a trilogy with zero resonance.

Time for the movie going public to decide...not in the hands of Star Wars fans anymore.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Man... this movie is alot to take in. The first half is really just thrown together and concerning... but it really gets intriguing in the second half. Still even more “come on...” momments than TLJ... but there is so much going on it might over take that weakness.

And they still cant figure out nods to prior films without it being super cheezy.

Certainly not the “best” SW film... but certainly will be on peoples radar for a long time
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
So the opening night take was a little bit lower than the last Johnson....it also flopped in china.

It will be very interesting to see how this tracks. Casual pull doesn’t seem to be lining up.

Edit: variety adjusted their box office opening prediction down a little - now $170-200 domestic

The traditional formula is openingx3. So that’s $550-600 total domestic
Star Wars typically pull in 55% from US/Canada...so that’s a predicted $1-1.1 billion total.

So somewhere below rogue 1
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Opening weekend projections down to 160-190 million now according to ScreenRant.
Yikes...

This is in no way indicative: but I drove by a huge multiplex in the burbs (cherry hill New Jersey) at 11 last night and the parking lot was 3/4 empty...looks like they only had people for the first viewing.

That was 24 hours a day for at least 3 days in 12/15 and 4/19
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
I'm going to go see this on Saturday. I think though that Abrams was put in a tough spot. I wasn't particularly fond of him as a director from the get go. And am not a "fan". But yeah, he didn't have an easy job on RoS.

I thought TFA was good. Yes. A reboot. But it did what it was intended to do. It re-introduced the saga. Introduced some new characters and set them up for evolution in part VIII, and paid some homage to the OT. The only real critical thing I can say, is that he (Disney) blew the opportunity to re-unite Luke, Leia, and Han on screen for one final time. If you're going to "reboot" something - JJ is your guy. It's what he does best. Use other people's ideas.

I can't help but think that if the characters introduced in TFA were properly developed and not s*it upon by Johnson, IX would be a lot different. Phasma, The Knights of Ren, Snoke, all seemingly became after thoughts. The possibilities with these were tremendous. The characters of Finn and Poe were also squandered in TLJ, so Jonson could play identity politics and introduce us to Rose Tico and Vice Admiral Holdo (which for the life of me - I still can't figure out for what purpose other than Social Justice Activism, they were even in the movie)

The best I can hope for is that I come away from IX feeling that there has been some type of "reset" that will remove the bitter taste left by TLJ.

It is still mind blowing that Disney had no idea about the arc of this trilogy and just seemed to "wing it". They are getting exactly what they deserve. They have spent over $1 Billion on a Theme Park land that is based on what is now going to be considered the weakest of all of the trilogies when said and done. Based on a series of films that has completely divided the fan base. They backed the wrong horse. The future of SW seems to be hanging on the Mandalorian, and the Kenobi series in 2020. Which are in no way based on this final trilogy.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I'm going to go see this on Saturday. I think though that Abrams was put in a tough spot. I wasn't particularly fond of him as a director from the get go. And am not a "fan". But yeah, he didn't have an easy job on RoS.

I thought TFA was good. Yes. A reboot. But it did what it was intended to do. It re-introduced the saga. Introduced some new characters and set them up for evolution in part VIII, and paid some homage to the OT. The only real critical thing I can say, is that he (Disney) blew the opportunity to re-unite Luke, Leia, and Han on screen for one final time. If you're going to "reboot" something - JJ is your guy. It's what he does best. Use other people's ideas.

I can't help but think that if the characters introduced in TFA were properly developed and not s*it upon by Johnson, IX would be a lot different. Phasma, The Knights of Ren, Snoke, all seemingly became after thoughts. The possibilities with these were tremendous. The characters of Finn and Poe were also squandered in TLJ, so Jonson could play identity politics and introduce us to Rose Tico and Vice Admiral Holdo (which for the life of me - I still can't figure out for what purpose other than Social Justice Activism, they were even in the movie)

The best I can hope for is that I come away from IX feeling that there has been some type of "reset" that will remove the bitter taste left by TLJ.

It is still mind blowing that Disney had no idea about the arc of this trilogy and just seemed to "wing it". They are getting exactly what they deserve. They have spent over $1 Billion on a Theme Park land that is based on what is now going to be considered the weakest of all of the trilogies when said and done. Based on a series of films that has completely divided the fan base. They backed the wrong horse. The future of SW seems to be hanging on the Mandalorian, and the Kenobi series in 2020. Which are in no way based on this final trilogy.


Well...Abrams is:
1. Overrated
2. A decent concept guy, but not a particularly good screenwriter (why he can’t do an ending)
3. More of a fan of Hollywood money than the fans of movies that generate it.

But it wasn’t easy on him either. Part his mistakes...but mostly Disney’s.

They made a convuluted, impossible scenario here...

George isn’t guiltless either. Lots of bad choices set this up.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
George isn’t guiltless either. Lots of bad choices set this up.

Agreed. But I gotta think that his treatments for VII, VIII, and IX at least had a bit of continuity and had a defined "finished line". Doesn't mean that we would have liked them (see the Prequels) - but there at least would have been a story and characters would have remained true to themselves. That's all on Iger. When do we start the #igerruinedstarwars movement?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Agreed. But I gotta think that his treatments for VII, VIII, and IX at least had a bit of continuity and had a defined "finished line". Doesn't mean that we would have liked them (see the Prequels) - but there at least would have been a story and characters would have remained true to themselves. That's all on Iger. When do we start the #igerruinedstarwars movement?
If you believe the hints provided by Disney’s lead counsel in interviews and iger’s recent book...Lucas played a game and lost and it lead directly to this...

He appointed Kennedy before the sale because he wanted a puppet. His intention was to maintain creative control and be the “feige” of the movies with Disney paying the bills.

Disney sniffed it out and outflanked him. But they left the puppet in charge without the puppeteer.

That’s ground zero here.
But also - George needed to use the actors for the sequel trilogy in the 90’s. Plain and simple. We never got their further adventures and that was never gonna be good enough. Instead we have 3 movies designed around death scenes and the cringeworthy crypt keeper Leia as a “feature”

Let’s drop the crap: none of it worked.
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
I got out of the film and we enjoyed it. It does throw TLJ under the bus and feels more like a direct sequel to TFA.
To follow up, I think it also makes The Last Jedi a little stronger also.
Last Jedi is now about turning your back from friends, family, faith and what happens to you when you do.
Rise of Skywalker is about bringing back friends, family, faith into your life.
Solid message for kids.
That was my overall interpretation of the message.
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
If you believe the hints provided by Disney’s lead counsel in interviews and iger’s recent book...Lucas played a game and lost and it lead directly to this...

He appointed Kennedy before the sale because he wanted a puppet. His intention was to maintain creative control and be the “feige” of the movies with Disney paying the bills.

Disney sniffed it out and outflanked him. But they left the puppet in charge without the puppeteer.

That’s ground zero here.
But also - George needed to use the actors for the sequel trilogy in the 90’s. Plain and simple. We never got their further adventures and that was never gonna be good enough. Instead we have 3 movies designed around death scenes and the cringeworthy crypt keeper Leia as a “feature”

Let’s drop the crap: none of it worked.
I’m with you but I also enjoyed Rise of Skywalker. J.J. I thought did the best he could to tip his hat to the Saga with what was given to him. The kids around me loved it which is what it’s all about. The message about family,friendship love winning out is great.

the saga is over, would have loved to see the Lucas treatments and see his vision played out with talented directors bringing it to life. The child inside me wanted to see George Lucas’s story but it ended with a fan film trilogy with too many egos creating their own story and then throwing away other stories to start a new story to only throw that story away, etc etc....

But the kids next to me had huge smiles on their faces and told me it was their favorite.
That is what I’ll take away at the end of this trilogy.
Brought me back to when I was a child with my Mom(who has now passed)running up to her saying how ROTJ was the best movie ever.

I’ll leave the Saga with a smile on my face and walked away from it.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I’m with you but I also enjoyed Rise of Skywalker. J.J. I thought did the best he could to tip his hat to the Saga with what was given to him. The kids around me loved it which is what it’s all about. The message about family,friendship love winning out is great.

the saga is over, would have loved to see the Lucas treatments and see his vision played out with talented directors bringing it to life. The child inside me wanted to see George Lucas’s story but it ended with a fan film trilogy with two many egos creating their own story and then throwing away other stories to start a new story to only throw that story away, etc etc....

But the kids next to me had huge smiles on their faces and told me it was their favorite.
That is what I’ll take away at the end of this trilogy.
Brought me back to when I was a child with my Mom(who has now passed)running up to her saying how ROTJ was the best movie ever.

I’ll leave the Saga with a smile on my face and walked away from it.
I have greatly enjoyed your insights these last few days...it’s what makes these boards ultimately fun and a tad addicting...

I don’t tell anyone not to feel the way they feel. There’s no right/point to that.

But when it comes to Disney - a very much soulless rapacious conglomerate today...as a wise man named “disney” once said - I cannot give partial credit.

Bob Iger watched over a Star Wars disaster.
Whether it’s 30% or 50% or 80% disaster is irrelevant. They had the tools and cache to make it bigger than their MCU...
In a way...it’s ludicrous that they haven’t.

Enjoy that part of the legacy, Bob. You’ve earned it.
 

Movielover

Well-Known Member
Ok, after two viewings here is my review for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. This is spoiler free.

Overall this is a fun film, and a fine conclusion to the nine-part saga. There’s a lot to like here. Everyone is giving a good performance. The characters feel energetic and alive. The action is spectacular thanks to director JJ Abram’s signature fast paced style of editing. The emotional high points are good as well, there’s an inspirational speech from one character leading into the third act that really hit home for me…

What I’m trying to say is there is a lot of good here because well, there is a lot that does not work about the film. There is flat out some awful dialogue in this movie. Now Star Wars has always been iffy on dialogue and coming from myself who firsthand understands how hard it is to make dialogue sound convincing. But man, there are some poor choices here. From characters stating, “I will kill you” or one character’s flat out cry of “I’m the spy!” had me cringing. Now there are some good moments of dialogue, like the aforementioned speech and some wonderful character moments but a lot of the dialogue, especially in the first half of the film where the movie has to practically spoon feed its exposition to you using snow shovel sized exposition dumps, really does not lend to memorable dialogue. This is not helped by the pacing of the film. This story has a lot in it, as it set out to accomplish 3 goals. First it must round out the nine-part saga in a satisfying conclusion. Second it must forcibly backpedal anything interesting done by Rian Johnson in The Last Jedi because God forbid some people can’t live with themselves that that movie exists, and finally the movie must be a complete film with narrative structure. The Rise of Skywalker accomplishes all three of those goals in rather ham-fisted ways, some more successfully than others. In terms of wrapping up the saga the film does a fine job considering all the assets it has to use. The climax of the film is excellent in that regard, utilizing different pieces from across the Star Wars universe to create a cohesive finale. In terms of erasing The Last Jedi, something that I feel is not needed since The Last Jedi is a fantastic movie. The Rise of Skywalker does all it can to limit references to the last film. Rose, a character introduced in The Last Jedi, is essentially pushed into the background, while lines of forced (pun intended) dialogue are used to explain away other supposed “issues”.

Finally, the film must stand on its own as a complete narrative, and it is here that the movie commits its biggest sin. This film is full of logic gaps, continuity errors, and abandon’s plot threads and character arcs quicker than Millennium Falcon making the Kessel Run. So many questions and plot threads are set up then just completely ignored by the end of the film that in some cases they are mentioned once and never referenced again, leading to the additional question of why they were there in the first place. This is especially a major problem when it comes to the film’s villains. We get almost zero explanations on anything related to Emperor Palpatine and his return. On top of that his location and mass amount of plot related items are on this new world and we get basically no information on where or how these items came into existence. The film brushes past these in such a quick manner that I kept expecting there to be some other twist in the story of how the Emperor and his minions came into existence nonetheless we get nothing.

The total lack of explanation here is particularly a problem since this film is the last in this saga and as such it’s supposed to answer all the film’s questions, not leave me sitting in my seat with my hand up begging for the screenwriters to call on me. I always try to look past logic gaps in movies, especially if the film is entertaining me like this one did. But for some reason this film’s gaffs left me wanting in terms of answers and I hate to say that about a Star Wars film. This is not at all helped by the film’s breakneck pacing, with the first half barreling towards the climax like a bat out of hell before slowing down to catch a slimmer of a breath before the nonstop third act battle. This quick of pace doesn’t allow the amount of time needed to let moments sink in and breathe. As such many big important revelations or emotional hits feel shallower than they are, since the audience can’t spend time to fully digest them before we are off to another location.

I’m going to move on from the negative because I do like the movie. There’s so much I want to talk about, but I will hold off since I wish to respect spoilers. I will say that the film’s two best aspects are the chemistry and relationship between the core group of characters; Rey, Poe, Finn, Chewie, and C-3PO, and everything involving Kylo Ren played spectacularly by Adam Driver. His performance and character arc (really the only character that gets a full arc besides Rey) makes this movie for me. My favorite scene is his pivotal moment at the end of the second act. It’s a very touching scene between him and another character that perfectly brings his arc full circle. The fact that it’s one of the few scenes’ that can slow down and breathe helps it a lot as well.

I would still highly recommend the film, as it is the end to the Skywalker storyline and does have many great moments. However, at the back of my mind I just have a feeling that it could have been so much more. It’s good, but it could have been great.

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker final score: 7.5/10
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Ok, after two viewings here is my review for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. This is spoiler free.

Overall this is a fun film, and a fine conclusion to the nine-part saga. There’s a lot to like here. Everyone is giving a good performance. The characters feel energetic and alive. The action is spectacular thanks to director JJ Abram’s signature fast paced style of editing. The emotional high points are good as well, there’s an inspirational speech from one character leading into the third act that really hit home for me…

What I’m trying to say is there is a lot of good here because well, there is a lot that does not work about the film. There is flat out some awful dialogue in this movie. Now Star Wars has always been iffy on dialogue and coming from myself who firsthand understands how hard it is to make dialogue sound convincing. But man, there are some poor choices here. From characters stating, “I will kill you” or one character’s flat out cry of “I’m the spy!” had me cringing. Now there are some good moments of dialogue, like the aforementioned speech and some wonderful character moments but a lot of the dialogue, especially in the first half of the film where the movie has to practically spoon feed its exposition to you using snow shovel sized exposition dumps, really does not lend to memorable dialogue. This is not helped by the pacing of the film. This story has a lot in it, as it set out to accomplish 3 goals. First it must round out the nine-part saga in a satisfying conclusion. Second it must forcibly backpedal anything interesting done by Rian Johnson in The Last Jedi because God forbid some people can’t live with themselves that that movie exists, and finally the movie must be a complete film with narrative structure. The Rise of Skywalker accomplishes all three of those goals in rather ham-fisted ways, some more successfully than others. In terms of wrapping up the saga the film does a fine job considering all the assets it has to use. The climax of the film is excellent in that regard, utilizing different pieces from across the Star Wars universe to create a cohesive finale. In terms of erasing The Last Jedi, something that I feel is not needed since The Last Jedi is a fantastic movie. The Rise of Skywalker does all it can to limit references to the last film. Rose, a character introduced in The Last Jedi, is essentially pushed into the background, while lines of forced (pun intended) dialogue are used to explain away other supposed “issues”.

Finally, the film must stand on its own as a complete narrative, and it is here that the movie commits its biggest sin. This film is full of logic gaps, continuity errors, and abandon’s plot threads and character arcs quicker than Millennium Falcon making the Kessel Run. So many questions and plot threads are set up then just completely ignored by the end of the film that in some cases they are mentioned once and never referenced again, leading to the additional question of why they were there in the first place. This is especially a major problem when it comes to the film’s villains. We get almost zero explanations on anything related to Emperor Palpatine and his return. On top of that his location and mass amount of plot related items are on this new world and we get basically no information on where or how these items came into existence. The film brushes past these in such a quick manner that I kept expecting there to be some other twist in the story of how the Emperor and his minions came into existence nonetheless we get nothing.

The total lack of explanation here is particularly a problem since this film is the last in this saga and as such it’s supposed to answer all the film’s questions, not leave me sitting in my seat with my hand up begging for the screenwriters to call on me. I always try to look past logic gaps in movies, especially if the film is entertaining me like this one did. But for some reason this film’s gaffs left me wanting in terms of answers and I hate to say that about a Star Wars film. This is not at all helped by the film’s breakneck pacing, with the first half barreling towards the climax like a bat out of hell before slowing down to catch a slimmer of a breath before the nonstop third act battle. This quick of pace doesn’t allow the amount of time needed to let moments sink in and breathe. As such many big important revelations or emotional hits feel shallower than they are, since the audience can’t spend time to fully digest them before we are off to another location.

I’m going to move on from the negative because I do like the movie. There’s so much I want to talk about, but I will hold off since I wish to respect spoilers. I will say that the film’s two best aspects are the chemistry and relationship between the core group of characters; Rey, Poe, Finn, Chewie, and C-3PO, and everything involving Kylo Ren played spectacularly by Adam Driver. His performance and character arc (really the only character that gets a full arc besides Rey) makes this movie for me. My favorite scene is his pivotal moment at the end of the second act. It’s a very touching scene between him and another character that perfectly brings his arc full circle. The fact that it’s one of the few scenes’ that can slow down and breathe helps it a lot as well.

I would still highly recommend the film, as it is the end to the Skywalker storyline and does have many great moments. However, at the back of my mind I just have a feeling that it could have been so much more. It’s good, but it could have been great.

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker final score: 7.5/10
So you don’t like how this film throws away what you liked about the last one.

Welcome to how we felt in 2017.

Good review btw even though I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much as you did.
 

Movielover

Well-Known Member
So you don’t like how this film throws away what you liked about the last one.

Welcome to how we felt in 2017.

Good review btw even though I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much as you did.

Sweet! that means I can post endlessly in all threads about how I feel about a particular movie without consequence! Morphinominal! ;)

I think the difference in this case is I still liked the movie. :)
 

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