Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread

[Disney Analyst]

So - critics loved TLJ. But no one pays attention to critics and they are overrated. They don't represent the fans. Kathleen Kennedy should be fired.

Now, critics hate RoS. Now the critics hate it because too much fan service, they course corrected from TLJ. Critics are right, Kathleen Kennedy should be fired.

Someone explain this to me please?

It’s all childish nonsense with an unreasonable group of people. The same group that threatened Kelly Marie Tran. Best to ignore them.

 

[LSLS]

My favorite critic response:

In the end, Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker is fine, it is mostly satisfying but unexpected or bold it is not.

That's a positive review? Yikes.

I will fully admit I don't entirely trust the critics after how they acted with The Last Jedi (I liked TFA, so that doesn't matter to me). That said, it's a two way street. The people who said critics are idiots, don't trust a word they said, can't turn around and justify what they think will be a bad movie with them. HOWEVER, you likewise can't say that critics loved TLJ so you fan boys are wrong, and then turnaround and say "Well you all hated the critics so it's good." Personally, I'm just laughing at the reviews at this point. I'll be very curious how fans seem to receiver this, and how the box office does. And I'll really judge for myself at some point when I've got some time (just isn't something I'm making time for at this point, sorry).

 

[Mike S]

It’s all childish nonsense with an unreasonable group of people. The same group that threatened Kelly Marie Tran. Best to ignore them.

That was a very small group of people but sure blame all of us.

 

[Surferboy567]

I don’t want to judge the movie before I see it...the RT score scares me but I am still excited. The soundtrack is GREAT! I’m just hoping for an enjoyable ride, just saw Jumanji yesterday I enjoyed it and that also didn’t have the greatest RT score...so let’s see what happens. I’m still excited to see how this wraps up (even though I’m aware of the leaks) execution is everything it’s one thing to read a plot summary, it’s quite another to see it in action.

 

[CinematicFusion]

It's a shame Disney didn't use George Lucas's 50 page treatment for the new trilogy. They had those ideas to flesh out since 2012.

 

[Disney Analyst]

That was a very small group of people but sure blame all of us.

I don’t know if I am blaming all. As I considered myself a fan. I’m speaking of a specific section of the fanbase; which there are quite a few of.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

It's a shame Disney didn't use George Lucas's 50 page treatment for the new trilogy. They had those ideas to flesh out since 2012.

It's actually quite ironic, they chose to run as far from Lucas as possible because they were determined to avoid the problems with the prequels bt they ended up running into a completely different pitfall anyway.

 

[Surferboy567]

It's a shame Disney didn't use George Lucas's 50 page treatment for the new trilogy. They had those ideas to flesh out since 2012.

I wasn’t a huge fan of what I’ve heard the story was for that...and this is coming from someone who likes not loves the prequels.

 

[Mike S]

I don’t know if I am blaming all. As I considered myself a fan. I’m speaking of a specific section of the fanbase; which there are quite a few of.

The people who hated TLJ, correct? Yeah, not all of us went after the actors and actresses with personal attacks and I’m sure that was no one here either so the reference of “just ignore them” in this thread seems like you’re trying to imply something.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I’m curious to see how the fans react.

I liked TLJ and seemingly the critics did too. It seems like people who liked TLJ’s direction, disliked this movie. Which should prove maybe hopeful to some?

The trilogy suffers from two competing authors. I honestly think if Rian did all three (or JJ I suppose) it would have had the best result.

Fandom has killed my enthusiasm for this sequel oddly enough. The conversation has been exhausting and one I largely dropped out of after a couple of weeks of TLJ.

I agree. Disney made a huge mistake not going with the Lucas treatment. When they didn't go with that one....they should have stuck to J.J.'s sequel treatment. Instead we have a mixed bag of mixed ideas of where and how the trilogy should have ended up.
Can't believe Disney who spent so much time on crafting the direction of Marvel.... did a quick paint job with the sequel trilogy while throwing away the creators idea of how it all should end.
Unreal!

 

[Disney Analyst]

The people who hated TLJ, correct? Yeah, not all of us went after the actors and actresses with personal attacks and I’m sure that was no one here either so the reference of “just ignore them” in this thread seems like you’re trying to imply something.

I’m all for critical debate. But I’m speaking of the ones who made it their life mission to attack people involved. To belittle anyone who enjoys the films. Who drove many of us away from the fandom as it feels overrun with toxicity.

I don’t think that includes many if any on here.

 

[CinematicFusion]

It's actually quite ironic, they chose to run as far from Lucas as possible because they were determined to avoid the problems with the prequels bt they ended up running into a completely different pitfall anyway.

Yep.... they chose to run away from Lucas and Disney copied his story he was Oscar nominated for with Ep.IV. I can't believe Lucas didn't get a story credit with The Force Awakens.
Would love to hear the whys and how of what went down when Disney decided to throw his story in the Trash.
I can only surmise it was more of a character based trilogy after the empire, almost like life after the fall of Rome. Building society back up and fighting off the evil that could once again rise from the ashes and start a new empire. Disney didn't want that, they wanted something that was more like A New Hope with the big bad guys already there....and they got that. But they didn't take their time and create a new trilogy based off their wants....and they got this mess we are in.
All speculation though.

 

[Mike S]

Since it got deleted in the RotR thread I’ll repost this here.

“I’m afraid the Original Trilogy overlay will be quite operational soon enough...”

If overall reaction is negative to mixed which I think it will be based on the leaks then I will not be surprised to see that rumored OT overlay take place on Rise of the Resistance. Two divisive movies is not a good look especially at the closing of the whole saga. Of course, the ST won’t be totally removed from Batuu. I could see Disney selling it as an updated land that now celebrates all of the Star Wars Trilogies with some Prequel characters added as well as OT. The expansion plot could even be used for a Prequel related attraction though what I’m not sure. It would probably just be used for a sitdown restaurant most likely anyway.

 

[Mike S]

I’m all for critical debate. But I’m speaking of the ones who made it their life mission to attack people involved. To belittle anyone who enjoys the films. Who drove many of us away from the fandom as it feels overrun with toxicity.

I don’t think that includes many if any on here.

So why mention it here?

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's actually quite ironic, they chose to run as far from Lucas as possible because they were determined to avoid the problems with the prequels bt they ended up running into a completely different pitfall anyway.

They really ran into the exact same problem. While the prequels had to get to certain things, it was started without a fleshed our vision for the entire story. Lucas wrote each movie independently only after the prior was finished. Disney did the same thing and took it a step further by starting with one movie and then discarding not just it, but the eight other movies.

 

[Disney Analyst]

So why mention it here?

As I didn’t think aspect of the Star Wars world were restricted from being discussed or brought up in here?

 

[MrMcDuck]

TFA was weak and predictable. TLJ was bad and not a good fit for the series. I'm not surprised the third movie in the sequel trilogy is disappointing as well. I couldn't care less about Rey or Kylo Ren at this point. Oh well, at least The Mandalorian is enjoyable.

 

[Mike S]

As I didn’t think aspect of the Star Wars world were restricted from being discussed or brought up in here?

It just came off as you trying to imply something is all.

TFA was weak and predictable. TLJ was bad and not a good fit for the series. I'm not surprised the third movie in the sequel trilogy is disappointing as well. I couldn't care less about Rey or Kylo Ren at this point. Oh well, at least The Mandalorian is enjoyable.

All hail Baby Yoda, the true savior of the franchise. Also the star attraction of Galaxy’s Edge is great too.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Haven't posted here for quite some time, but wow! These reviews are much worse than I was expecting. The leaks are true - all of them! Currently having "Game of Thrones" flashbacks!

It'll be interesting to see what the box office is like this weekend. I'm not sure this film will have great legs after OW. And "Cats" is apparently getting better than expected buzz. How strange if that's the true crowd-pleaser this weekend.

Why, oh why did this trilogy not have a single guiding hand at the helm, a la Feige?

Yes...very game of thrones-esque.

It’s just more evidence of Hollywood disfunction. Whatever they’re doing to develop these things...it’s not working at all.

I guess one could say those who loved TLJ don’t like having their expectations subverted.

Do we get to call these reviewers toxic fans and Russian bots now or is this exclusively a one way street?

Excellent use of the Rickroll

Haha. Critics praised the last two films and fans freaked out. Critics hit this one and fans are like “they right”.

really shows me the absurdity of everyone. But my big feeling now is that if critics don’t like it, fans will probably enjoy it.

It’s possible...one could hope.

So - critics loved TLJ. But no one pays attention to critics and they are overrated. They don't represent the fans. Kathleen Kennedy should be fired.

Now, critics hate RoS. Now the critics hate it because too much fan service, they course corrected from TLJ. Critics are right, Kathleen Kennedy should be fired.

Someone explain this to me please?

You continue to miss the forest for the tree on this...

Any of what you correctly pointed out is PROOF that they have boned this. There absolutely should not be the much division/contention on this franchise if any of it were good. This is maybe worse than the prequels...are we in agreement that didn’t go well?

Kennedy absolutely should be fired here...the box office isn’t gonna have legs here...this is gonna drag the franchise down even more.

Who in Hollywood gets even this many chances with even lesser valuable properties?
Nobody

 

[tirian]

Yes, I believe that's what critics did with TLJ. Probably why there was such dissonance between fandom and the critiques. Fans had a certain amount expectations (or agendas) of what constitutes Star Wars and the boundaries of the rules of that Universe. TLJ broke some of them and broke old characters in the process.

As an isolated movie it seems like movie critics enjoyed it.

You know, that’s why I didn’t hate TLJ on my first viewing. It was the second one that made me realize it didn’t fit into anything, and the time wasted on the casino planet was a huge hole, and Snoke was meaningless, and...well, that’s when I decided it was a bad movie and never watched it again. But I liked it enough the first time to go back the very next day.

As for critics, the loudest voices supporting TLJ praised it for breaking away from the SW template, and the loudest ones hating ROS are damning it for trying to return to the tone of TFA. Some writers (LA Times, Slash Film, Vox) are trashing the film based on political opinions about casting and fascism-vs-socialism. That has nothing to do with the quality of the movie itself. When a critic reviews a movie based on personal political tastes, I ignore that critic.

This leads me to believe the proper opinion is probably more like the reviews from Variety and Richard Roeper: it’s just okay. Not great, not terrible, but okay.