Star Wars All-Inclusive "Star Ship" Resort?

[flynnibus]

I stand by my statement because I live in reality. The merchandise sold for Stars Wars had MUCH more to do with the first 6 episodes than any animated series, EU, novels, etc. Star Wars was BUILT on the movies, period.

Just admit it... you're detached from everyone else's reality because it wasn't high profile in YOUR life. Disney didn't buy something and resurrect it. They bought something and hit the gas pedal.

 

[21stamps]

What's laughable is pretending it was being exploited even near the level of post Force Awakens. Again, I get that they were doing Clone Wars and selling Merch since Revenge of the Sith, but nothing compares to a theatrical release of a major "episode" in the saga. Those are what get people going.

Do people know Darth Revan or Darth Bane? No, they know Darth VADER. Do they know Darth Maul survived and got spider cybernetic legs and fought his brother? No, Darth Maul is dead...

Do most people even know Ahsoka exists?

Put it this way. Disney isn't going to release Episode 9 and then wait 10 years for Episode 10 because they're doing some pet projects. Mainstream media gets people excited...not Clone Wars.

I stand by my statement because I live in reality. The merchandise sold for Stars Wars had MUCH more to do with the first 6 episodes than any animated series, EU, novels, etc. Star Wars was BUILT on the movies, period.

I agree with this. I haven't heard of some of the characters that you said. My kid watched Clone Wars on Netflix, but only after he had seen the movies. His first light saber was a "build your own" at the Star Tours store.. we didn't even know who Kylo Ren was at that point (9/16). Within a few months (after The Force Awakens came out) he became SW obsessed.
His room is now completely Star Wars- from bedding, to light saber wall light, to alarm clock, to wall art.

2016 was my most stressful Christmas shopping EVER. It was a (literal) race to stores to find all of the Star Wars toys that he wanted..online inventory was selling out so quickly, and people were reselling the items on eBay and Amazon at obnoxious prices. I called anywhere from 5-10 toys r us and Target's per day to find out if a shipment came in- and if it did, I ran out of work to go buy it. I drove 64 miles round trip for a stupid R2D2 toy.

The Clone Wars didn't have that same kind of absolute merchandise frenzy.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Just admit it... you're detached from everyone else's reality because it wasn't high profile in YOUR life. Disney didn't buy something and resurrect it. They bought something and hit the gas pedal.

They bought something and strapped a nuclear power plant on it.

Again, Clone Wars did $68m in box office. I bet 10/100 people even know it exists. Maybe less. You're the one not living in reality.

People know the Star Wars MOVIES and Disney knows that. 5 movies in 5 years proves my point. Star Wars was dead since Revenge of the Sith and MANY would argue was even dead during the Prequel years. Disney will gain momentum...Lucas was flailing with Jar Jar Binks and midichlorians. The prequel lost a lot of steam after Phantom Menace.

 

[Chef Mickey]

I agree with this. I haven't heard of some of the characters that you said. My kid watched Clone Wars on Netflix, but only after he had seen the movies. His first light saber was a "build your own" at the Star Tours store.. we didn't even know who Kylo Ren was at that point (9/16). Within a few months (after The Force Awakens came out) he became SW obsessed.
His room is now completely Star Wars- from bedding, to light saber wall light, to alarm clock, to wall art.

2016 was my most stressful Christmas shopping EVER. It was a (literal) race to stores to find all of the Star Wars toys that he wanted..online inventory was selling out so quickly, and people were reselling the items on eBay and Amazon at obnoxious prices. I called anywhere from 5-10 toys r us and Target's per day to find out if a shipment came in- and if it did, I ran out of work to go buy it. I drove 64 miles round trip for a stupid R2D2 toy.

The Clone Wars didn't have that same kind of absolute merchandise frenzy.

Thanks. That's the way I think it goes for most kids. The kids I know did the same thing. Watch a few episodes of Clone Wars on YouTube AFTER seeing the movies and Darth Vader.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I stand by my statement because I live in reality. The merchandise sold for Stars Wars had MUCH more to do with the first 6 episodes than any animated series, EU, novels, etc. Star Wars was BUILT on the movies, period.

You underestimate the value of the EU in terms of keeping the franchise going. In the late 80s, Star Wars was pretty much dead. Marvel had concluded their comics after running out of ideas for post-Jedi stuff, the Nelvana cartoons and Ewok movies had come and gone and toys were no longer being sold. Really all that remained to sustain the fandom was the tabletop game and it ended up selling well enough that they had the idea to start a new novel program in a big way. The Thrawn books came out, became a massive hit and that's what got George to start thinking that maybe it was time to start thinking about movies again. As the Expanded Universe grew, Lucasfilm needed to exercise some of those crossmedia promotional muscles in anticipation for what they'd have to do for the Special Editions and Prequels and we got Shadows of the Empire. The explosion of Star Wars content in the 90s is why Wookiepedia is even big as it is. Why every background character has a story. The depth of the Star Wars movies setting owes more to those spinoffs then the movies itself. The Expanded Universe and The Clone Wars show alike are arguably the biggest reasons why we even have a "Reevaluate and celebrate the Prequels" movement.

The movies may be the backbone of the Star Wars franchise, but they're just the first step into the larger world.

 

[flynnibus]

Star Wars was dead since Revenge of the Sith and MANY would argue was even dead during the Prequel years.

Let me know when you hit China

 

[21stamps]

Thanks. That's the way I think it goes for most kids. The kids I know did the same thing. Watch a few episodes of Clone Wars on YouTube AFTER seeing the movies and Darth Vader.

I'm trying to think back to when my 14 year old nephew was really into Star Wars..my brother's a total SW nerd though..so his son was destined to be one - new movies or not..lol

But, I think it was maybe 6-7 years ago when Pottery Barn Kids released their Star Wars bedding and wall art- an awesome millennium falcon.. I bought him those for Christmas, and I bought the Death Star Lego set for his birthday a few months later. I had no problem getting any of these items..all were in stock.

In 2016, PBK Star Wars bedding was on back order way before Christmas. I don't think we received it until the beginning of February.

 

[Chef Mickey]

You underestimate the value of the EU in terms of keeping the franchise going. In the late 80s, Star Wars was pretty much dead. Marvel had concluded their comics after running out of ideas for post-Jedi stuff, the Nelvana cartoons and Ewok movies had come and gone and toys were no longer being sold. Really all that remained to sustain the fandom was the tabletop game and it ended up selling well enough that they had the idea to start a new novel program in a big way. The Thrawn books came out, became a massive hit and that's what got George to start thinking that maybe it was time to start thinking about movies again. As the Expanded Universe grew, Lucasfilm needed to exercise some of those crossmedia promotional muscles in anticipation for what they'd have to do for the Special Editions and Prequels and we got Shadows of the Empire. The explosion of Star Wars content in the 90s is why Wookiepedia is even big as it is. Why every background character has a story. The depth of the Star Wars movies setting owes more to those spinoffs then the movies itself. The Expanded Universe and The Clone Wars show alike are arguably the biggest reasons why we even have a "Reevaluate and celebrate the Prequels" movement.

The movies may be the backbone of the Star Wars franchise, but they're just the first step into the larger world.

You're describing the 20+ Star Wars nerd. Nothing wrong with that. I am fully aware of all the background of characters and massive number of characters not seen in movies, but again, the mainstream doesn't know those characters even exist.

Mainstream Star Wars fans don't even know Palpatine's name is Sheev. Or that Palpatine is Darth Sidious. They'll say, "oh that old guy."

You're overestimating peoples' knowledge of Star Wars alternative media. People buy the stuff because light sabers are cool and Darth Vader. Maybe Luke Skywalker. There are a lot of people in the world and a lot of Star Wars fans, so any Star Wars books are going to get sold...but they are nothing compared to the numbers after a major motion picture release. Find the number of books sold to give some perspective.

I already showed REAL data that Clone Wars did $68m at the Box Office. That is 3% what Force Awakens did and 7% what Rogue One did.

I bet that number pretty much represents how many people even know Clone Wars exists.

 

[RobbinsDad]

You underestimate the value of the EU in terms of keeping the franchise going. In the late 80s, Star Wars was pretty much dead. Marvel had concluded their comics after running out of ideas for post-Jedi stuff, the Nelvana cartoons and Ewok movies had come and gone and toys were no longer being sold. Really all that remained to sustain the fandom was the tabletop game and it ended up selling well enough that they had the idea to start a new novel program in a big way. The Thrawn books came out, became a massive hit and that's what got George to start thinking that maybe it was time to start thinking about movies again. As the Expanded Universe grew, Lucasfilm needed to exercise some of those crossmedia promotional muscles in anticipation for what they'd have to do for the Special Editions and Prequels and we got Shadows of the Empire. The explosion of Star Wars content in the 90s is why Wookiepedia is even big as it is. Why every background character has a story. The depth of the Star Wars movies setting owes more to those spinoffs then the movies itself. The Expanded Universe and The Clone Wars show alike are arguably the biggest reasons why we even have a "Reevaluate and celebrate the Prequels" movement.

The movies may be the backbone of the Star Wars franchise, but they're just the first step into the larger world.

I see what you did there.

 

[baymenxpac]

I don't take cruises. No idea how they work. However, I do know that Disney parks charge less for the wee one for tickets, dining, and upcharge events. Will age make a difference in the price of this? If so, I'm going to start trying to figure out how I can pass as a nine year old. I'm short, maybe if I wear a jedi robe..........

a lot of people get on a boat and they sail you around while cooking for you and offering entertainment.

also, how are we getting bogged down into an argument about how popular star wars is? it's very popular. many people love it, while some others don't. that's basically the gist of it.

i love star wars. i do not require an XXXXL jedi robe. i'm a super outgoing person, and you couldn't pay me to do something like this, no less spend two grand for two nights. but that's not really the point either. it's that it's just another way to stratify guests, which kind of stinks.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I already showed REAL data that Clone Wars did $68m at the Box Office. That is 3% what Force Awakens did and 7% what Rogue One did.

I bet that number pretty much represents how many people even know Clone Wars exists.

Considering the movie was just the first four episodes put together at the last minute and thrown into theaters with little promotion, that makes sense.

The show itself had excellent ratings, plenty of awards to its name, and just a strong following overall. Netflix gaining the show has just expanded that audience further

 

[flynnibus]

There wasn't a Star Wars class at Wharton.. so clearly it was dead to him.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Considering the movie was just the first four episodes put together at the last minute and thrown into theaters with little promotion, that makes sense.

The show itself had excellent ratings, plenty of awards to its name, and just a strong following overall. Netflix gaining the show has just expanded that audience further

Awards, shawards...I showed you the numbers. You're just speaking generally and guessing. It's not popular...the 7 movies are popular. Darth Vader is popular. The Millennium Falcon is popular.

 

[Chef Mickey]

There wasn't a Star Wars class at Wharton.. so clearly it was dead to him.

I love everything Star Wars including the Clone Wars and EU. I just realize it's insignificant to the masses and doesn't drive the saga forward. Movies and park experiences do and will drive it forward.

 

[googilycub]

I already showed REAL data that Clone Wars did $68m at the Box Office. That is 3% what Force Awakens did and 7% what Rogue One did.

Here is a little context. Clone Wars budget was 8.5 million. Force Awakens budget was 306 million. Rogue One budget was 200 million.

 

[Kamikaze]

also, how are we getting bogged down into an argument about how popular star wars is? it's very popular. many people love it, while some others don't. that's basically the gist of it.

There shouldn't be one. Star Wars is the most popular franchise in the history of the world. Period. It is probably the only franchise that could support a hotel like this full time, every day, for many, many, many years.

 

[rushtest4echo]

They bought something and strapped a nuclear power plant on it.

Again, Clone Wars did $68m in box office. I bet 10/100 people even know it exists. Maybe less. You're the one not living in reality.

People know the Star Wars MOVIES and Disney knows that. 5 movies in 5 years proves my point. Star Wars was dead since Revenge of the Sith and MANY would argue was even dead during the Prequel years. Disney will gain momentum...Lucas was flailing with Jar Jar Binks and midichlorians. The prequel lost a lot of steam after Phantom Menace.

I don't place people on ignore, but I'm going to have to ignore your further arguments in this particular thread because you seem to have no clue what you're taking about. Reviews and/or "buzz" surrounding a film doesn't correlate to sales/popularity or lack thereof. I agree that the prequels were trash. I agree that Lucas was a poor steward. That has nothing to do with popularity. Just look at Fast and the Furious. Absolutely garbage yet look at the cash it's raking in.

By the way, between Revenge of the Sith and The Force Awakens, Star Wars did billions in sales.

THATS ONLY THROUGH 2012, WHEN DISNEY BOUGHT THE FRANCHISE.

 

[sculljoey]

Does anyone have an actual link or full screenshots of the survey?

 

[baymenxpac]

There shouldn't be one. Star Wars is the most popular franchise in the history of the world. Period. It is probably the only franchise that could support a hotel like this full time, every day, for many, many, many years.

the horse is dead, dude!

 

[Ripken10]

Here is a little context. Clone Wars budget was 8.5 million. Force Awakens budget was 306 million. Rogue One budget was 200 million.

Where did you get the budget of 306 million for Force Awakens. I saw reported 245 million - quite a big difference