Star Wars All-Inclusive "Star Ship" Resort?

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RoysCabin

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I think everything outside the movies pretty much proves the opposite. You give examples of the other universes, but really don't justify how they are different. The HP universe is the same as our world... just the HP movies stayed in England, yet reference (and travel) to far off places. The pre-queue proved this when it was based in America.. AND a different time period.

Much in the StarWars universe happens within a single location... just the movie plots often jump between planets. You don't have to relive the full trilogy in a single travel experience.

By making this a Star Cruiser concept.. they already bound the edges of what you are supposed to believe you are within. The CHARACTERS are will the variety will come in, and the plots that each character may be going along is how you can tie in different regions/etc without actually trying to force them in as a real place to visit.

Your argument if you stayed true would tell us 'why would anyone care about a desert planet?' after we watched EP IV. Yet, every story told afterward introduces new characters, new ships, new locations... and we don't go "ok, thats cool, but we're not on tatooine anymore.. this isn't star wars to me"

I don't believe we're talking about the same thing, as I'm only applying my observation to the making of a themed physical space, and how the two properties in question are not as analogous as I believe some are making them out to be. Additionally, I'm not sure what you mean by your last sentence, since I never intimated that at all. My entire point is that Star Wars is not about an individual location, so of course nobody would say that about Tatooine...but that lack of a central location has ramifications when designing themed lands that thrive on familiarity, and creates challenges that don't exist as much in properties like Potter, or Star Trek, or Tolkien.

I grew up an enormous Star Wars fan, I fully know of and embrace much of what makes it unique and interesting, but my point is that I see so many people say "this is Disney's answer to Potter", yet I don't see where the comparison comes in when it comes to the creation of a themed space, or more to the point a recreation of something from the book/film/etc. universe. Many love going to Wizarding World precisely because you can "walk in Harry's steps"; you can go to the shops he and his friends go to, eat and drink what they do, wear the clothes they wear, etc. Star Wars, by design, was never meant to be like that in the films: Tatooine and Hoth, for example, were pretty much devoid of such place-making items (again, besides the cantina), and even the locations we have in those places are largely featureless. Heck, in the prequels places like Coruscant and Naboo, while more populated, are not exactly fleshed out with notable places or items that would inspire a park-going fan of the property to think "Man, I can't wait to see </insert store/restaurant/place/etc. here>", they serve more as staging grounds for conflicts and character development. That's fine for Star Wars as it expresses itself via film, but an art medium such as theme park design has different needs and requirements if your goal is a faithful recreation.

Universal has another property besides Potter that works very well this way: The Simpsons. I adore the first ten seasons or so of the Simpsons, and I'd love to go there and say "Hey, I'm getting a squishee at the Quik E Mart", or "Wow, I'm getting to drink a Duff beer at Moe's", stuff like that. Springfield is a very well developed fictional location with tangible items and places that can be faithfully recreated down to the letter. Again, a Star Trek starship offers the same thing: fans want to see the transporter room, the ship's bar, the bridge, etc. A Tolkien Shire location can have a pub that serves dishes with vegetables grown nearby in a hobbit's garden and hold festival parties in the middle of Hobbiton; I remember seeing the first film in theaters in 2001 and nearly tearing up because the physical design of the Shire was what I had imagined when reading the books (undoubtedly influenced by the work of artists who depicted it in various mediums).

Again, none of this is to say that Star Wars Land won't work, or that this hotel won't work, just that Star Wars as a property operates in a very different way than some of the properties we've seen turned into themed areas in recent years, and that I hope that's being taken into consideration in this design process. Not better, not worse, simply different.
 

BrianLo

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The fan hysteria comes in waves. When there are 20 years between trilogies, it'll burn hot for a while and then simmer for a decade. Then someone turns the heat up to high and it comes back up to a full rolling boil.

Disney is going to keep the heat on high, and boil the pot dry.

We've seen plenty of other franchises with the heat cranked up for years that disprove this. Potter and Pokemon are good examples. They had a brief regroup and then came back roaring onto the scene, but certainly didn't need the 15 year breaks Star Wars previously employed.

Eventually there will be a wane of interest, I agree. Disney will be forced to go back to the well, reinvent and add more water to the pot... But the pot and stove won't go anywhere. Star Wars can certainly support more than 3 movies every 2 decades.
 

ford91exploder

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Odd that you should say that because I'm the Star Trek fan - and while generally familiar with Star Wars Other than the original SW trilogy I think that Clone Wars and Rebels are the best of the recent Star Wars efforts mainly because both animated series seem to have a better storyline and do a better job of character development.

My DW is The Star Wars fan in the house, Went with her BFF to the Star Wars Celebration where she went as Rey and her BFF went as General Organa both of them worked on costumes for weeks And no I have NOT seen TFA or Rogue One.
 

RSoxNo1

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If they're doing this, I wouldn't be surprised to see converting Pop Century rooms into suites and limiting the numbers of these significantly. If it's 500 suites with that price point I'd be surprised.
 

doctornick

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I feel like this might be more of a PG-13 experience. I would want a PG-13 experience. Anything less and it is just a Jedi Training rehash. Make it for older kids or adults.

I'm really wondering about this. I know WDW tends to advertise and cater towards families with young kids. But this experience seems like it would either have to have a wide variety of different experiences (some specific to children/families, others adult only) or else have an age limit -- maybe 12 and older to do the experience. The target audience (I think) of hardcore SW fans who would love the formalized "official" LARP probably won't miss well with a typical WDW family. I don't think a cranky 4 year old in his stroller is going to mesh with some hardcore Cosplayer.

It's interesting to see how it gets approached.
 

pax_65

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My DW is The Star Wars fan in the house, Went with her BFF to the Star Wars Celebration where she went as Rey and her BFF went as General Organa both of them worked on costumes for weeks And no I have NOT seen TFA or Rogue One.

Rogue One is the prequel the original Star Wars always deserved. A really awesome movie. The Force Awakens is essentially a remake/reboot but the new characters are good so it was enjoyable if you could look past the lack of originality.

As a huge Star Wars fan I actually love this whole idea but Disney has me so cautious about giving them my money these days I will look carefully at exactly what I get for the $ before I just dive in to anything "all inclusive" at Disney.
 

doctornick

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As far as Star Wars, there had not been movie since Revenge of the Sith (Around 10 years ago) until Force Awakens. People are loving the Star Wars stuff or Disney would stop pushing it. It's working.

If you want to be technical, Star Wars: The Clone Wars was released theatrically in 2008.

And while that films obviously had a much smaller appeal, it's another point against the argument that "nothing" was going on with Star Wars prior to The Force Awakens. As others have mentioned, between animated shows, toys, Legos, video games, expanded universe novels and (yes) even theme park experiences -- both Star Tours and Jedi Training, plus Star Wars weekends -- it's laughable to suggest that Star Wars was not being exploited significantly prior to Disney buying Lucasfilm.
 
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Vinny

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This is an awesome idea!!!! The company should also revisit the idea of making the Hollywood Tower Hotel also a one or two night immersive environment and story lined resort stay at the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. Since they are going to accommodate the Star Wars Land hotel with special park hours, and other special Disney Studios amenities for those Star Wars Resort guests, and will need extra hours of park cast members and support staff, might as well.
 
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rushtest4echo

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Can we stop with the nonsense that Star Wars waned in popularity at any point? There are always peaks and valleys, but in Star Wars terms a peak is $1.5 billion a year and a valley is $500 million a year- or more than the majority of franchises could ever hope to generate in a "non release" year.

Star Wars special edition (which was essentially a re-release) was the largest January opening of all time back then.

All told, adjusting for inflation, the Special Edition Re-Releases earned nearly a billion dollars in 1997.

The original "definitive" laser disc in 1993 is considered the #1, 2 and 3 highest selling movies on that format of all time.

The laser disc/vhs box sets in 1995 shattered home media sales records.

The next box set in 1997 smashed home media records too.

Franchise revenue (not adjusted for inflation) is over 32 billion dollars lifetime.
 

Vinny

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This is an awesome idea!!!! The company should also revisit the idea of making the Hollywood Tower Hotel also a one or two night immersive environment and story lined resort stay at the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. Since they are going to accommodate the Star Wars Land hotel with special park hours, and other special Disney Studios amenities for those Star Wars Resort guests, and will need extra "twilight" hours of park cast members and support staff, might as well. Sorry, i saw the opportunity for the lame reference, lol
Wait, sorry, the Hollywood Tower Hotel real resort hotel, is probably a bad idea. I was just thinking that a prolonged overnight or multi-day stay for children or impressionable adults in the theatrics of the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror's Hollywood Tower Hotel could prove to be traumatic and fuel delusional and troublesome thought processes that could one day manifest into a psychotic episode after a bad stay at some hotel years later.
Back to the drawing boards: This one actually makes a lot more practical sense and would be extremely cool: What if the Tip Top Club (real VIP bar on top of the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror) was open after park hours until say 2:00 AM for guests of the Star Wars resort?
That would be another awesome extra incentive for staying overnight at an exclusive Hollywood Studios Resort. They can play all top-of-today's-charts party music using a live band lead by late 1930s Big Band instruments. Disney Magic!!
 
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I am Timmy

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You're overthinking it. It's just like a cruise line. The room will cost you a minimum amount.. then you incrementally add based on the people assigned to the room.. and the room is capped at 4 people.
I don't take cruises. No idea how they work. However, I do know that Disney parks charge less for the wee one for tickets, dining, and upcharge events. Will age make a difference in the price of this? If so, I'm going to start trying to figure out how I can pass as a nine year old. I'm short, maybe if I wear a jedi robe..........
 

I am Timmy

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Quick search on Disney Cruise line for an upcoming San Diego itinerary:
4 adults to a room: $2053
2 adults/2 kids to a room: $2027

They don't charge based on kids vs adults, they charge based on occupants. Kids are usually discounted very slightly but not by much. And to be honest, you're only getting a slightly discounted rate for your child at a Disney Park right now. If gate admission pricing is anything to go by, you're not going to get much of a discount for kids anyway even if they don't do cruise style body counts.

An easy way to look at this is that it'll be a combination of: gate admission, cruise line style "rooms", meals, and exclusive experiences. Aside from meals, Disney doesn't discount any of that stuff very much for kids. Why would they start now? Sure they discount hotel stays for the kiddies, but this isn't a hotel stay.
Thank you for this! That makes more sense now.
 

I am Timmy

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My DW is The Star Wars fan in the house, Went with her BFF to the Star Wars Celebration where she went as Rey and her BFF went as General Organa both of them worked on costumes for weeks And no I have NOT seen TFA or Rogue One.
That sounds amazing! My adult sons and I go to cons, and while I don't dress up, I can definitely appreciate the work that goes into the costumes. Those people are true artists, and it's a joy to be around people who love the shows, movies, and animated characters they emulate. I bet she had a blast!
 

Kamikaze

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And let's not discount that Super Nintendo World will also be rockin' full stem ahead around the same time. And I believe that the 2 fan bases overlap a bit.

They've only announced construction of Nintendo World in Japan, and thats not going to open until 2020. It remains to be seen when it will arrive in Florida and what it will replace. Stands to reason it will be a while after the Japanese version before USF gets it.
 

Princess Leia

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Something to think about- Fastpass+

Looking at the plans, it appears that Disney wants you to spend Day 1 at the resort, and Day 2 in DHS (or maybe just in the SWE part of DHS). Guests at Disney resorts get extra time to pick FP+s, but what happens if Disney changes the tier system to be like Animal Kingdom's? Both Tier 1 choices are in Pandora; what if Disney does the same for SWE? Do the guests of the resort become limited in their choices?
 

Kingoglow

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Something to think about- Fastpass+

Looking at the plans, it appears that Disney wants you to spend Day 1 at the resort, and Day 2 in DHS (or maybe just in the SWE part of DHS). Guests at Disney resorts get extra time to pick FP+s, but what happens if Disney changes the tier system to be like Animal Kingdom's? Both Tier 1 choices are in Pandora; what if Disney does the same for SWE? Do the guests of the resort become limited in their choices?

If I remember correctly the proposed details say exclusive access to SWL so I don't think there will be any issue accessing the attractions. Especially if the resort has limited rooms (I am thinking POFQ in terms of rooms; not footprint)

I am still going to assume that the experience that you pay for runs all day at the hotel and starts up the next day after breakfast. So beyond going out at night on the first day (which may be the exclusive SWL time-frame) you wont have much opportunity to hop around the parks until after check out.

I just doesn't make sense if the story progresses throughout the day, to stop everything in order to get a handful of families that out at the parks, caught up on where we are in the story. You are paying for a 2-day (or is it 2 night?) interactive experience.

In my mind, the easiest logistical means of accomplishing that would be to have designated days for everyone to check in together and the story rolls all day. That night you visit SWL. Next day breakfast and the story continues. Everyone checks out. The set resets and check in begins again.

I see it as an add-on to one's regular WDW vacation. I could very well be wrong. But if I was Disney and I wanted to accomplish everything on the list that was put out AND tell a great story, that is how I would work it out.
 

larryz

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Something to think about- Fastpass+

Looking at the plans, it appears that Disney wants you to spend Day 1 at the resort, and Day 2 in DHS (or maybe just in the SWE part of DHS). Guests at Disney resorts get extra time to pick FP+s, but what happens if Disney changes the tier system to be like Animal Kingdom's? Both Tier 1 choices are in Pandora; what if Disney does the same for SWE? Do the guests of the resort become limited in their choices?
It's a two-night event, meaning two-and-a-half days. I figure:

Day 1 starting at 1200: Check-in, lunch in the mess hall, initial group assignments, orientation tours, billeting assignments by 1600, dining by group in the evening and 3 to 5 evening activities in the resort hotel

Day 2 starting at 0900: Groups gather for continental breakfast, then report for group activities until 1200, lunch in the mess hall, then group activities from 1330 to 1730, groups then break up and dress for "Captain's Table" deluxe dinner at 1900 (this is the event that gets raided), the ship grounds just outside DHS' SWL (AKA "Fantooine") where groups escape to after the dinner raid and have exclusive access from 2100 until 0100 to discover/rescue/complete special missions assigned by their group leaders

Day 3 starting at 0900: Groups gather for continental breakfast, awards and decorations issued by group leaders, and everybody checks out by 1130. Next group starts arriving at 1200 and so on it goes...
 
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Chef Mickey

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If you want to be technical, Star Wars: The Clone Wars was released theatrically in 2008.

And while that films obviously had a much smaller appeal, it's another point against the argument that "nothing" was going on with Star Wars prior to The Force Awakens. As others have mentioned, between animated shows, toys, Legos, video games, expanded universe novels and (yes) even theme park experiences -- both Star Tours and Jedi Training, plus Star Wars weekends -- it's laughable to suggest that Star Wars was not being exploited significantly prior to Disney buying Lucasfilm.
What's laughable is pretending it was being exploited even near the level of post Force Awakens. Again, I get that they were doing Clone Wars and selling Merch since Revenge of the Sith, but nothing compares to a theatrical release of a major "episode" in the saga. Those are what get people going. It took Disney a nanosecond to realize they were going to release 3 MAJOR movies and 2 additional mini movies in a span of ~5 years. Why? Because they know that's what makes the franchise relevant and top of mind for masses.

Do people know Darth Revan or Darth Bane? No, they know Darth VADER. Do they know Darth Maul survived and got spider cybernetic legs and fought his brother? No, Darth Maul is dead...

Do most people even know Ahsoka exists?

Put it this way. Disney isn't going to release Episode 9 and then wait 10 years for Episode 10 because they're doing some pet projects. Mainstream media gets people excited...not Clone Wars.

I stand by my statement because I live in reality. The merchandise sold for Stars Wars had MUCH more to do with the first 6 episodes than any animated series, EU, novels, etc. Star Wars was BUILT on the movies, period.

Clone Wars did $68m worldwide. Force Awakens did $2b+. I rest my case.
 
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flynnibus

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If I remember correctly the proposed details say exclusive access to SWL so I don't think there will be any issue accessing the attractions. Especially if the resort has limited rooms (I am thinking POFQ in terms of rooms; not footprint)

They use the terminology 'exclusive access' - but it does not mean what you might think it means. It doesn't mean "only you in the park" - it means "get stuff that only you get".

The details on what exclusive things you would get were not elaborated on. But I read it to mean things like maybe special FP access, special M&G/photo ops, maybe early hours access, etc. These details were not shared.

I am still going to assume that the experience that you pay for runs all day at the hotel and starts up the next day after breakfast. So beyond going out at night on the first day (which may be the exclusive SWL time-frame) you wont have much opportunity to hop around the parks until after check out.

No, the theory is you check in, and don't leave. If you are all playing along with the idea that you are on a starship... you don't just walk in and out every 12hrs and go other places :)
 
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