InfernalPenguin
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...and the reason is?
EDIT: I was responding to wilt
EDIT: I was responding to wilt
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SSE and IASW...travesty's
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InfernalPenguin
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What are you talking about, a decent script? Ok, what I'm sort of getting from this is you're saying DISNEY thinks people are stupid, and they want to put characters in the ride to get their attention, is that it?
Also, I'm not comparing Verhoeven to Hitchcock, you need to read what I was talking about. Comparing...pfft. What I'm saying is in both cases the movies are enjoyable even if you don't know the underlying subtext behind it.
Do you need to know that the movie is about nature's wrath and punishment of mankind, about the cataclysmic consequences of that which we cannot comprehend to find The Birds freaky? No. You also don't have to have read Phillip K. ________ (haha, oh that filter is hilarious!) to find Total Recall really awesome. I'm not comparing the two. I'm using them both as examples tho. I could use E.T. as an example too.
I guess overall the point I'm trying to make is that if putting disney characters in IASW can be seen as dumbing it down you might as well tell your kid to put his toys down and go read Kafka...
...or something like that. I forgot why it was that I had refrained from commenting in the first place. This has so much to do with personal opinion. I keep forgetting there's still people out there that refer to Test Track as "World of Motion's Usurper" pretty much.
No arguing about taste I guess. I got pretty upset when they removed the Ghostbusters show from Universal because I grew up with it. I can see where you're coming from.
Wilt Dasney
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It's just one of those clear dividing lines, like beer vs. wine or red state vs. blue state. I don't make the rules. :shrug:
(Or quite possibly I think the idea of trying to separate Disney fans into "smart" and "not smart" when we're all sitting online talking about an amusement park populated by people dressed as cartoon mice instead of finding the cure for cancer is fraught with hilarity and enjoy making fun of the whole concept. Loved the Tolstoy: the Ride line, by the way.)
mousermerf
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You are only understanding The Birds on a base level. Even the "catalclysmic consequences of yadda yadda.." is the base level, which the film is not actually about - though you suggest that's some higher level of understanding.
Consider that none of what you think the film is -about- happens for the first 40mins of a 2 hour movie..
Consider that none of what you think the film is -about- happens for the first 40mins of a 2 hour movie..
InfernalPenguin
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Expo_Seeker40
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everyone needs to relax and thank some phoenecians
Expo_Seeker40
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I recently listened to the new SSE narration and just by eleminating a few lines, it's amazing how much more clear, direct, and -gasp- straightforward and proper the narration seems....ala cronkite style for those that enjoyed his narration.
These are lines in the script with various parts edited out of them or rearranged.
"Like a grand and miraculous spaceship,our planet has sailed through the universe of time and for a brief moment we have been among its many passengers."
"Since the dawn of recorded history we've been inventing the future one step at a time, but we are we going, and what kind of future will be discover there?
The answers lie in our past.
I'll show you how our ancestors created the world we know today, and then it will be your turn to create the world of tomorrow.
Here is where our story begins....a hostile world...we are alone, struggling to survive, until we learn to communicate, and can hunt as a team...and survive...together!
It takes 15,000 years to come up with recording our knowledge on cave walls. When we moved, the recorded knowledge stayed behind!
This unknown egyptian pounding reeds flatt is inventing papyrus. Papyrus in turn creates better record keeping.
At this point, each civilization has its own form of writing, which none of the others can understand, but the Pheonencians, who trade with all of them create a simple common alphabet, adaptable to most langauges.
The ancient greeks were great inventors. First they established public schools, and then begin teaching an intruging new subject called mathematics.
With lessons learned from the Greeks, the Romans create a powerful empire. To move their armies around, they built a system of roads all over the known world.
Rome falls! Much of our knowledge is destroyed...lost forever!
It turns out there are copies of these books in libraries in the middle east being watched over by Merfs and Jewish scholars.
In Europe, Monks toil endlessly recording books by hand, but that's about to change...
In 1450, Guttenburg invents the moveable type printing press. Now knowledge can travel as fast as these new books!
The result is an incredible explosion of innovation...the renaissance!
Communications technology races headlong into the future. People all over the world are sharing life's most important moments faster than ever before.
By now we are communicating from anywhere on Earth, and in 1969...from somewhere else...
To send a man to the moon we had to invent a new language, spoken not by man, but by computer.
What if everyone could one of these machines in their own house, there's just one problem, they're as big as a house!
The solution comes in 1977 in a garage in california.
Young people with a passion for shaping the future but the power of the computer into everyone's hands.
After 30,000 years of time travel here we are....a truly global community, poised to shape the future of Spaceship Earth!
The choices we have made have been inventing the future one step at a time. Now it's your turn!
*does the whole essurance flash film with people laughing and screaming and taking photos and video of themselves and their flash animation in complete darkness with a few random triangles here and there covering the chickenwire*
While no one knows for sure what we may see or do, I do know it will be an adventure. Here's to the next 30,000 years on Spaceship Earth.
There....does that please everyone? :wave:
These are lines in the script with various parts edited out of them or rearranged.
"Like a grand and miraculous spaceship,our planet has sailed through the universe of time and for a brief moment we have been among its many passengers."
"Since the dawn of recorded history we've been inventing the future one step at a time, but we are we going, and what kind of future will be discover there?
The answers lie in our past.
I'll show you how our ancestors created the world we know today, and then it will be your turn to create the world of tomorrow.
Here is where our story begins....a hostile world...we are alone, struggling to survive, until we learn to communicate, and can hunt as a team...and survive...together!
It takes 15,000 years to come up with recording our knowledge on cave walls. When we moved, the recorded knowledge stayed behind!
This unknown egyptian pounding reeds flatt is inventing papyrus. Papyrus in turn creates better record keeping.
At this point, each civilization has its own form of writing, which none of the others can understand, but the Pheonencians, who trade with all of them create a simple common alphabet, adaptable to most langauges.
The ancient greeks were great inventors. First they established public schools, and then begin teaching an intruging new subject called mathematics.
With lessons learned from the Greeks, the Romans create a powerful empire. To move their armies around, they built a system of roads all over the known world.
Rome falls! Much of our knowledge is destroyed...lost forever!
It turns out there are copies of these books in libraries in the middle east being watched over by Merfs and Jewish scholars.
In Europe, Monks toil endlessly recording books by hand, but that's about to change...
In 1450, Guttenburg invents the moveable type printing press. Now knowledge can travel as fast as these new books!
The result is an incredible explosion of innovation...the renaissance!
Communications technology races headlong into the future. People all over the world are sharing life's most important moments faster than ever before.
By now we are communicating from anywhere on Earth, and in 1969...from somewhere else...
To send a man to the moon we had to invent a new language, spoken not by man, but by computer.
What if everyone could one of these machines in their own house, there's just one problem, they're as big as a house!
The solution comes in 1977 in a garage in california.
Young people with a passion for shaping the future but the power of the computer into everyone's hands.
After 30,000 years of time travel here we are....a truly global community, poised to shape the future of Spaceship Earth!
The choices we have made have been inventing the future one step at a time. Now it's your turn!
*does the whole essurance flash film with people laughing and screaming and taking photos and video of themselves and their flash animation in complete darkness with a few random triangles here and there covering the chickenwire*
While no one knows for sure what we may see or do, I do know it will be an adventure. Here's to the next 30,000 years on Spaceship Earth.
There....does that please everyone? :wave:
ChrisQ
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And for me, I hate that Disney tries to position him as some sort of "classic" character. Example: I bought some Classic Disney figurines for my niece for Valentine's Day, and they included Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Chip, Dale, Dumbo, Bambi, and...Stitch! It seems like you see him everywhere, and it's just too much for me.
hpyhnt 1000
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It takes 15,000 years to come up with recording our knowledge on cave walls. When we moved, the recorded knowledge stayed behind!
I personaly don't like this line. To me, the phrase "It takes 15,000 years to come up with...(the next bright idea)" is somewhat condescending. For me, there's an implied tone of "What took you guys so long?" A better way would be simply to say, "Fifteen thousand years later, we begin to record our knowledge on cave walls."
This unknown egyptian pounding reeds flatt is inventing papyrus. Papyrus in turn creates better record keeping.
Still don't like the reference of "this unknown Egyptian." Why not just say, "Egyptians were the first to discover that by pounding reeds flat, they could invent papyrus, a form of paper."
At this point, each civilization has its own form of writing, which none of the others can understand, but the Pheonencians, who trade with all of them create a simple common alphabet, adaptable to most langauges.
Amazing how deleting the ABC's line makes such a difference. Much better!
It turns out there are copies of these books in libraries in the middle east being watched over by Merfs and Jewish scholars.
Hm! I don't think Merfs is right. (wink, wink)
In Europe, Monks toil endlessly recording books by hand, but that's about to change...
I feel this line needs more. Why were the monks recording books by hand? Something more along the lines of, "In Europe, Monks toil endlessly recording books by hand, saving vital knowledge for future generations. But that's about to change..." Now the reason for why Monks were writing by hand is clear.
In 1450, Guttenburg invents the moveable type printing press. Now knowledge can travel as fast as these new books! The result is an incredible explosion of innovation...the renaissance!
I would prefer to see something more like, "In 1450, the moveable type printing press is born. Now, information can be spread faster than ever, and the result is an incredible explosion of creativity and innovation...the Renaissance!
After 30,000 years of time travel here we are....a truly global community, poised to shape the future of Spaceship Earth!
The only line in the entire new script that comes remotely close to matching the majesty and granduer of the previous version.
While no one knows for sure what we may see or do, I do know it will be an adventure. Here's to the next 30,000 years on Spaceship Earth.
Better, but could still more thought provoking.
There....does that please everyone? :wave:
Overall, better, but could still be improved.
*All opinions and revisions stated above are those exclusively of hpyhnt 1000.* (Just to protect myself) :lol:
I personaly don't like this line. To me, the phrase "It takes 15,000 years to come up with...(the next bright idea)" is somewhat condescending. For me, there's an implied tone of "What took you guys so long?" A better way would be simply to say, "Fifteen thousand years later, we begin to record our knowledge on cave walls."
This unknown egyptian pounding reeds flatt is inventing papyrus. Papyrus in turn creates better record keeping.
Still don't like the reference of "this unknown Egyptian." Why not just say, "Egyptians were the first to discover that by pounding reeds flat, they could invent papyrus, a form of paper."
At this point, each civilization has its own form of writing, which none of the others can understand, but the Pheonencians, who trade with all of them create a simple common alphabet, adaptable to most langauges.
Amazing how deleting the ABC's line makes such a difference. Much better!
It turns out there are copies of these books in libraries in the middle east being watched over by Merfs and Jewish scholars.
Hm! I don't think Merfs is right. (wink, wink)
In Europe, Monks toil endlessly recording books by hand, but that's about to change...
I feel this line needs more. Why were the monks recording books by hand? Something more along the lines of, "In Europe, Monks toil endlessly recording books by hand, saving vital knowledge for future generations. But that's about to change..." Now the reason for why Monks were writing by hand is clear.
In 1450, Guttenburg invents the moveable type printing press. Now knowledge can travel as fast as these new books! The result is an incredible explosion of innovation...the renaissance!
I would prefer to see something more like, "In 1450, the moveable type printing press is born. Now, information can be spread faster than ever, and the result is an incredible explosion of creativity and innovation...the Renaissance!
After 30,000 years of time travel here we are....a truly global community, poised to shape the future of Spaceship Earth!
The only line in the entire new script that comes remotely close to matching the majesty and granduer of the previous version.
While no one knows for sure what we may see or do, I do know it will be an adventure. Here's to the next 30,000 years on Spaceship Earth.
Better, but could still more thought provoking.
There....does that please everyone? :wave:
Overall, better, but could still be improved.
*All opinions and revisions stated above are those exclusively of hpyhnt 1000.* (Just to protect myself) :lol:
Expo_Seeker40
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Thank you for your opinion, but I don't like some of the lines myself. I just used the current narration and edited out various things. I restricted myself to just that rather than coming up with a new script all together (which I would prefer to do), but to rather show what the current script could look like with various things removed. :wave:
Actually you can read a scenerio I created with the current SSE in the imagineer section on WDWmagic, I would appreciate feedback on it. Thanks!
Actually you can read a scenerio I created with the current SSE in the imagineer section on WDWmagic, I would appreciate feedback on it. Thanks!
Good point. We should be debating the pros and cons of the new aesthetic in SSE and the proposed change to IASW without implying people who like either are stupid. My mom thought Monty Python's Flying Circus was dumb, but she didn't my dad and I were dumb for liking it.
ChrisFL
Premium Member
hehe, the ironic part is that the cast of Monty Python are very intelligent, and their humor is purposely dumb!
DisneyNut2007
Active Member
I absolutely despise the Re-Imagineering blog. It lays out the unvarnished truth about the views of a few Disney "purists" and oftentimes follows up ridiculous suggestions to put the company out of business. :zipit:
Eureka moment there, huh? Everyone must be dumb if they enjoy being entertained on a Disney ride. I love that argument.
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Yep, the evidence of that is overwhelming. Oh, wait, no... the evidence is actually the opposite. :drevil:
I couldn't agree more. The Re-Imagineering blog is AWFUL, AWFUL, AWFUL!!! :hurl:
It's one of the WORST Disney blogs ever, right next to MiceAge. Heck, even WDWMagic is a joke nowadays!
