SPOILERS: How Episode 9 Affects Star Wars Land and its Attractions

Mike S

Mike S

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mergatroid

mergatroid

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
That’s fair

Though I think we can agree that what’s going on at the box office today has a potential for greater impact to the park projects than an avatar failure would have in animal kingdom as far as longterm appeal?

Different expectations
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Before Pandora opened we had "Why Avatar, everyone hated it, nobody will go" from a large majority (no idea what you said but if I had to guess I'd go with negativity). When the land opened, it was and still is successful you're now telling me that it's the films 'perceived' failure that has helped to make the land a success?

Does that mean people who go to Disney will consciously think "Ooh that Avatar film was rubbish, let's go see the land". And if you're saying the Star Wars films are terrible, why wouldn't that help Galaxy's Edge like you're claiming it did Pandora?

Personally I believe great attractions that people enjoy, attract guests. FOP seems to have done this hence why it does so much better than the other ride there. ROTR is getting rave reviews by a ton of people, I don't see people deciding to ride or not will be made based on this movie to the extent you do though. We'll see.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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mergatroid said:
Before Pandora opened we had "Why Avatar, everyone hated it, nobody will go" from a large majority (no idea what you said but if I had to guess I'd go with negativity). When the land opened, it was and still is successful you're now telling me that it's the films 'perceived' failure that has helped to make the land a success?

Does that mean people who go to Disney will consciously think "Ooh that Avatar film was rubbish, let's go see the land". And if you're saying the Star Wars films are terrible, why wouldn't that help Galaxy's Edge like you're claiming it did Pandora?

Personally I believe great attractions that people enjoy, attract guests. FOP seems to have done this hence why it does so much better than the other ride there. ROTR is getting rave reviews by a ton of people, I don't see people deciding to ride or not will be made based on this movie to the extent you do though.
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No...I’m saying that Star Wars ip is more likely to impact Disney’s decisions in parks based on longterm attendance goals and product sales than avatar’s does.

I think they are ok with doing or not doing avatar because it exists as much as the land in DAK as it does that “3D movie with the weird people” in the public mind.

Star Wars is harder to separate...the movies defined the public perception. There were no theme park lands to deal with.

An example on the other side is Harry Potter...it’s received a huge bump in longterm appeal from the universal lands. They could have made how to train your dragon land with the same rides and it would be half as successful. The IP fed the land and in turn the land fed back the IP. Perfect relationship.

Star Wars has a tepid reception land on both coasts and a divisive movie on their hands...

Better IP will be required for Disney to reinvest there.
 
ObscurityPoint

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When leaving my personal opinions on the new movies out of it, I must admit how fun it would be to have a meet and greet where guests could encounter
Emperor Palpatine on his throne. I could see it being a hit with guests due to the character’s creepy, yet very animated and cartoony performance displayed throughout the movies. I could see cast members and guests alike getting a kick out of it as they do with characters like Gaston. Maybe have guests take photos with him standing next to his throne after he “tempted” them to his side as future apprentices. Idk, I’m just trying to see some light and fun to this after witnessing his shoehorned return in Rise of Skywalker.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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ObscurityPoint said:
When leaving my personal opinions on the new movies out of it, I must admit how fun it would be to have a meet and greet where guests could encounter
Emperor Palpatine on his throne. I could see it being a hit with guests due to the character’s creepy, yet very animated and cartoony performance displayed throughout the movies. I could see cast members and guests alike getting a kick out of it as they do with characters like Gaston. Maybe have guests take photos with him standing next to his throne after he “tempted” them to his side as future apprentices. Idk, I’m just trying to see some light and fun to this after witnessing his shoehorned return in Rise of Skywalker.
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I’d line up.

You don't need to put a spoiler tag in a spoiler thread though lol.
 
Tom P.

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networkpro said:
ToT - The original Triology, TOS - The original series, its a toss up on how to reference the first films and the whole perceived trajectory of Star Wars at that time.
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Minor side issue here, but to me, "TOS" and "the original series" are commonly used to refer to the original Star Trek series, not to the original Star Wars trilogy. I've never seen either used online in reference to Star Wars, in fact. I would have immediately thought Star Trek when seeing TOS.

I honestly haven't seen a consensus on what to call the original three Star Wars films other than just saying "the original trilogy."
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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Tom P. said:
Minor side issue here, but to me, "TOS" and "the original series" are commonly used to refer to the original Star Trek series, not to the original Star Wars trilogy. I've never seen either used online in reference to Star Wars, in fact. I would have immediately thought Star Trek when seeing TOS.

I honestly haven't seen a consensus on what to call the original three Star Wars films other than just saying "the original trilogy."
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OT, PT and DT are my terms from now on.

We don’t need new, more complicated acronyms for things that don’t need acronyms anyway (I’m making one exception)
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Tom Morrow said:
I don't think it affects the land that much at all. It's like saying WWoHP is invalidated because we know Harry, Ron, and Hermione already graduated from Hogwarts and Voldemort was defeated.
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The Harry Potter land is really good and has been fantastically received for 10 years...

I know the narrative here is that two weeks ago they “fixed” the land...but that is honestly classic Disney fan blinders.

The land will be measured only by an attendance bump. We don’t know if that has or will happen.

A mobbed ride in mgm isn’t indicative of that...there is not enough to do property wide...they failed to reinvest from the opening of dak to 2015 for all intents and purposes...no net additions while attendance grew by 20%.

Hold the phone on this land being a “hit”

It’s initial response was bad and there is not data to track to prove it’s done what it was designed to do

That was not the intent. To lighten attendance at Disneyland or to redistribute he crowds at wdw
 
Kamikaze

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ObscurityPoint said:
When leaving my personal opinions on the new movies out of it, I must admit how fun it would be to have a meet and greet where guests could encounter
Emperor Palpatine on his throne. I could see it being a hit with guests due to the character’s creepy, yet very animated and cartoony performance displayed throughout the movies. I could see cast members and guests alike getting a kick out of it as they do with characters like Gaston. Maybe have guests take photos with him standing next to his throne after he “tempted” them to his side as future apprentices. Idk, I’m just trying to see some light and fun to this after witnessing his shoehorned return in Rise of Skywalker.
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Except that its not on Batuu, so it would have to be a photo op elsewhere at DHS.
 
networkpro

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Tom P. said:
Minor side issue here, but to me, "TOS" and "the original series" are commonly used to refer to the original Star Trek series, not to the original Star Wars trilogy. I've never seen either used online in reference to Star Wars, in fact. I would have immediately thought Star Trek when seeing TOS.

I honestly haven't seen a consensus on what to call the original three Star Wars films other than just saying "the original trilogy."
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IMHO it's not that important as they are just stories. I'm not that invested.
 
mergatroid

mergatroid

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
The Harry Potter land is really good and has been fantastically received for 10 years...

I know the narrative here is that two weeks ago they “fixed” the land...but that is honestly classic Disney fan blinders.

The land will be measured only by an attendance bump. We don’t know if that has or will happen.

A mobbed ride in mgm isn’t indicative of that...there is not enough to do property wide...they failed to reinvest from the opening of dak to 2015 for all intents and purposes...no net additions while attendance grew by 20%.

Hold the phone on this land being a “hit”

It’s initial response was bad and there is not data to track to prove it’s done what it was designed to do

That was not the intent. To lighten attendance at Disneyland or to redistribute he crowds at wdw
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So when there wasn't an attendance bump when MFSR opened, when the queues weren't long and when people said the ride was a disappointment, many said this made Galaxy's Edge a failure.

Now there seems to be an attendance bump (granted Christmas is busier), the queues are long with boarding passes booked out early every day and ROTR getting absolutely superb reviews, you're saying we shouldn't 'judge it yet'?

Do you not see how this makes it look like you're trying to fit it into your narrative of not liking Galaxy's Edge? I mean you judge MFSR on guest comments and lack of visitors, but then completely ignore those factors when judging ROTR. It's like you're changing the goal posts somewhat.

I realise that with me liking Galaxy's Edge even before ROTR opened, I can be accused of having a biased narrative in favour of it. Maybe that makes me the same as you in a reversed sense, so let's count our personal views out. The general public are no doubt absolutely loving ROTR, to say otherwise is ridiculous. I didn't even think of criticising 'Potterland' when it opened as the public reaction showed how much people enjoyed it. Every so often a new attraction opens and it gets unprecedented positive reviews, it happens so infrequently that when it does it's noticeable. Potter got this as has ROTR, like it or not when that happens it's a pretty reliable way of judging it.

To me anyway it just appears that you're trying really hard to be negative about this land and I'm happy to accept I can be accused of the opposite. Our personal views are just that, but let's not discount the huge number of folks who are loving this ride. To do this reduces the debate to nothing more than nonsense, it deserves far better than that.

Of course time will tell us how successful Rise is overall. If however you're saying it can't be judged till then, then that should work both ways.
 

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