SPOILERS: How Episode 9 Affects Star Wars Land and its Attractions

Mickeyboof

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The data we actually need is attendance plus crowd movement.

After guests ride Rise, do they spend time in the land itself, interacting with it and enjoying it. Are Guests hacking, flying the falcon, ect.

We’ll really never know that data.

However, it is pretty clear at Disneyland that guests do not spend much time at Galaxy’s Edge as they do in every other land. I am excited to see how Rise affects Disneyland.
 

Mickeyboof

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So when there wasn't an attendance bump when MFSR opened, when the queues weren't long and when people said the ride was a disappointment, many said this made Galaxy's Edge a failure.

Now there seems to be an attendance bump (granted Christmas is busier), the queues are long with boarding passes booked out early every day and ROTR getting absolutely superb reviews, you're saying we shouldn't 'judge it yet'?

Do you not see how this makes it look like you're trying to fit it into your narrative of not liking Galaxy's Edge? I mean you judge MFSR on guest comments and lack of visitors, but then completely ignore those factors when judging ROTR. It's like you're changing the goal posts somewhat.

I realise that with me liking Galaxy's Edge even before ROTR opened, I can be accused of having a biased narrative in favour of it. Maybe that makes me the same as you in a reversed sense, so let's count our personal views out. The general public are no doubt absolutely loving ROTR, to say otherwise is ridiculous. I didn't even think of criticising 'Potterland' when it opened as the public reaction showed how much people enjoyed it. Every so often a new attraction opens and it gets unprecedented positive reviews, it happens so infrequently that when it does it's noticeable. Potter got this as has ROTR, like it or not when that happens it's a pretty reliable way of judging it.

To me anyway it just appears that you're trying really hard to be negative about this land and I'm happy to accept I can be accused of the opposite. Our personal views are just that, but let's not discount the huge number of folks who are loving this ride. To do this reduces the debate to nothing more than nonsense, it deserves far better than that.

Of course time will tell us how successful Rise is overall. If however you're saying it can't be judged till then, then that should work both ways.

I think a difference between the two is that Potter got both high praise for attractions, AND the land itself. There weren’t many creative decisions that fans were turned off by.

Galaxy’s Edge has a remarkable ride in a contested land with a second ride that has people scratching their heads. It’s hard for people to call ROTR a win because of the place it’s sitting in.

Galaxy’s Edge has had such a soured opening. I can’t imagine what it will take to turn around the word of mouth. Maybe it’s Rise. Maybe it won’t happen until we get the thrill ride coaster. But even then, you can’t scrub all the headlines and YouTube videos off the internet.

This is going to be a hard problem to fix, but Rise is a huge amazing step in the right direction.

I my mind, it would be easy. Add the Mandalorian walk around character TODAY. The place would get insane press and people would notice.
 

mergatroid

Well-Known Member
The data we actually need is attendance plus crowd movement.

After guests ride Rise, do they spend time in the land itself, interacting with it and enjoying it. Are Guests hacking, flying the falcon, ect.

We’ll really never know that data.

However, it is pretty clear at Disneyland that guests do not spend much time at Galaxy’s Edge as they do in every other land. I am excited to see how Rise affects Disneyland.

Where is this data from, I'm not saying you're wrong but you've just said there's no way of knowing?
 

Mickeyboof

Well-Known Member
Where is this data from, I'm not saying you're wrong but you've just said there's no way of knowing?

When you go to Disneyland Park, it’s noticable. It’s not scientific, but it’s noticeable.

At Hollywood Studios, it’s harder to tell how people move because they is almost nothing to do there. Few lands to really explore.

Frankly, at Disneyland there is so much to do (more to do than at any other castle park in the whole world). Galaxy’s Edge at Disneyland is an option. At Hollywood Studios it’s not an option, because there are so FEW options. You sorta have to do it. But at Disneyland, you could spend two full days there and still not *need* to see Galaxy’s Edge.
 

Tom Morrow

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The Harry Potter land is really good and has been fantastically received for 10 years...

I know the narrative here is that two weeks ago they “fixed” the land...but that is honestly classic Disney fan blinders.

The land will be measured only by an attendance bump. We don’t know if that has or will happen.

A mobbed ride in mgm isn’t indicative of that...there is not enough to do property wide...they failed to reinvest from the opening of dak to 2015 for all intents and purposes...no net additions while attendance grew by 20%.

Hold the phone on this land being a “hit”

It’s initial response was bad and there is not data to track to prove it’s done what it was designed to do

That was not the intent. To lighten attendance at Disneyland or to redistribute he crowds at wdw
There is an inverse to "Disney blinders", and it's thinking that Hagrid's Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure is the most immersive roller coaster ever and a game changer, when it is neither. It's also claiming that Rise of the Resistance is NOT a game changer or one of the most impressive themed attractions ever made.
 

Mickeyboof

Well-Known Member
There is an inverse to "Disney blinders", and it's thinking that Hagrid's Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure is the most immersive roller coaster ever and a game changer, when it is neither. It's also claiming that Rise of the Resistance is NOT a game changer or one of the most impressive themed attractions ever made.

Hagrid’s is most certainly a game changer. Just because you don’t like that trees take time to grow to become a forest doesn’t mean that the ride isn’t phenomenal.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Hagrid’s is most certainly a game changer. Just because you don’t like that trees take time to grow to become a forest doesn’t mean that the ride isn’t phenomenal.
It's not a game changer and it doesn't do anything new that existing coasters don't already do. Every coaster element already exists, there's just slightly more of them in one design. It doesn't subvert your expectations in any way. It doesn't challenge theme park design conventions and concepts in any way. It isn't even close to the most immersive roller coaster ever. It looks like a pretty, sculpted garden rather than the Forbidden Forest. The ride track is full of visible infrastructure and views of backstage. Everyone was just hyped that Universal finally made a good ride with some thought and effort put into it with actual physical thrills and no screens after several mediocre to terrible attractions in a row.
 

Mickeyboof

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It's not a game changer and it doesn't do anything new that existing coasters don't already do. Every coaster element already exists, there's just slightly more of them in one design. It doesn't subvert your expectations in any way. It doesn't challenge theme park design conventions and concepts in any way. It isn't even close to the most immersive roller coaster ever. It looks like a pretty, sculpted garden rather than the Forbidden Forest. The ride track is full of visible infrastructure and views of backstage. Everyone was just hyped that Universal finally made a good ride with some thought and effort put into it with actual physical thrills and no screens after several mediocre to terrible attractions in a row.

Well, in that regard, Rise doesn’t do anything that existing rides haven’t done before either.

Rides do not need to be breakthroughs in technology to be wickedly amazing.
 

ObscurityPoint

Well-Known Member
Except that its not on Batuu, so it would have to be a photo op elsewhere at DHS.
Yeah, I must admit I feel that the all-immersiveness of Batuu is incredible, but imagineers really boxed themselves into a corner for future development of the land going forward. I mean with the entire Star Wars universe (and all its characters) at their fingertips, I would expect that five or so years down the line we’ll start to see less of Batuu being ‘canon’ and more of a general Star Wars landscape.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Well, in that regard, Rise doesn’t do anything that existing rides haven’t done before either.
This is true, but no other theme park attraction has combined that many different designs and concepts into one attraction. It challenges what a theme park attraction can be and elevates it into a full experience that continuously subverts your expectations at a level we haven't seen before, even before boarding the transport vehicles. To suggest that it and "Verbolten plus lots of evergreen trees" are on the same level of innovation is fanboy delusion. I'm not just playing theme park sides here. Forbidden Journey is much, MUCH more innovative and was a true game changer that is still an industry standard almost 10 years later. In fact, the only two attractions that have given me a similar jaw dropping awe since Forbidden Journey are Flight of Passage and Rise of the Resistance.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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When leaving my personal opinions on the new movies out of it, I must admit how fun it would be to have a meet and greet where guests could encounter
Emperor Palpatine on his throne. I could see it being a hit with guests due to the character’s creepy, yet very animated and cartoony performance displayed throughout the movies. I could see cast members and guests alike getting a kick out of it as they do with characters like Gaston. Maybe have guests take photos with him standing next to his throne after he “tempted” them to his side as future apprentices. Idk, I’m just trying to see some light and fun to this after witnessing his shoehorned return in Rise of Skywalker.

I fully expect Palpatine to now show up on MK stage shows dancing with the other villains.
 

Mickeyboof

Well-Known Member
This is true, but no other theme park attraction has combined that many different designs and concepts into one attraction. It challenges what a theme park attraction can be and elevates it into a full experience that continuously subverts your expectations at a level we haven't seen before, even before boarding the transport vehicles. To suggest that it and "Verbolten plus lots of evergreen trees" are on the same level of innovation is fanboy delusion. I'm not just playing theme park sides here. Forbidden Journey is much, MUCH more innovative and was a true game changer that is still an industry standard almost 10 years later. In fact, the only two attractions that have given me a similar jaw dropping awe since Forbidden Journey are Flight of Passage and Rise of the Resistance.

But are people even saying that? I haven’t read on here anyone saying that Hagrid is an equal to Rise...
 

Phil12

Well-Known Member
Episode 9 will have no effect. Star Wars already has its loyal fan base and nothing will change in that regard. Disney could build a Three Stooges attraction and people would show up. Some people just attach themselves like glue to silly things such as Figment and the CBJ. After all, fan is short for fanatic.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
There is an inverse to "Disney blinders", and it's thinking that Hagrid's Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure is the most immersive roller coaster ever and a game changer, when it is neither. It's also claiming that Rise of the Resistance is NOT a game changer or one of the most impressive themed attractions ever made.
You’re gonna believe what you want to believe

The only “game change” is if more people come and spend heaps of money specifically on Star Wars in the parks.
It is too early to tell.

The movies...however...will make that more difficult...not less
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Episode 9 will have no effect. Star Wars already has its loyal fan base and nothing will change in that regard. Disney could build a Three Stooges attraction and people would show up. Some people just attach themselves like glue to silly things such as Figment and the CBJ. After all, fan is short for fanatic.
That is the argument they used in the prequel era...

Dusting it off for Disney now...I see.
 

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