News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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Sir_Cliff

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tl;dr -- Disney's not likely to add more 'frontier' themed attractions... ever.


Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but, without getting too much into politics, the whole 'frontier' paradigm is going to be more and more... problematic.

The sanitized notion of 'the frontier' which is of one of conquering wild nature -- while ignoring what happened to the Indians, or, making the Indians the bad guys -- isn't going to fly anymore.

The popular genre of The Western which had its heyday from pulp novels to silent films to talkies to television lasted almost a century, but has fallen out of favor with the exception of modern films dealing with very adult themes that would be out of place for Disney parks. The old Wild West stories of Hollywood no longer take place in the Wild West, they take place in such places like a galaxy far, far away (The Mandalorian).

Attempts to make G-Rated frontier movies popular fizzle (Disney's Lone Ranger and Call of the Wild). How many avid Daniel Boone or Davy Crockett fans are left? There are no Disney IPs based in 'the frontier' that are both popular and family-friendly (and avoid problematic stereotypes). And if they create their own brand new story and leave out the warts of history... Disney will be pilloried.

Disney itself has de-Wild-Westernized and de-Frontierized the land over the decades.

BTMR works in that it's set in "The West" at a certain time and deals solely with the events at one particular mine without getting into Manifest Destiny, Expansionism, or Colonialism. In the "more Disney" era, there isn't going to be another attraction like that without an IP attached to justify a budget... and there are no popular IPs available which aren't problematic. Perhaps something purely geographical like a Yellowstone attraction might work... but, where's the IP for it?

I've suggested that the whole area from HM to Liberty Square to BTMR to PotC be renamed to "The American Experience." A more encompassing theme makes disparate element 'fit' better, IMO.
I am glad to see you bring this up. I have been curious how some broader themes in the parks that are suddenly a little awkward will be handled, but I am a bit wary of feeding a slippery slope narrative or seeming like I am calling for dramatic changes.

It is interesting how much the bones of the Magic Kingdom parks reflect a quintessentially mid-twentieth-century US world view and it's mostly remarkable how well most of the whole package still resonates with people from all over the world in 2020. Times and social attitudes naturally change, however, and it's a bit of a tightrope walk for Disney to balance addressing these changes without ruining the enduring appeal of the model laid down in the 1950s.

Adventureland is another interesting case as there a whole host of things about that land that could be flagged as "problematic" without really digging very far. For one thing, it groups virtually all non-Western countries into one category of "exotic" places and has a similar colonial framing as Frontierland. Then, of course, there are some representations of different people and cultures.

The idea of "Adventure", though, still appeals and they're going to have to make it work. I suspect they'll just tidy up the most awkward aspects of the lands and reorient them toward less controversial themes with any future additions (e.g. more singing pirates and Indiana Jones, and less African tribes).
 
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stratman50th

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Just wondering how they're going to accomplish the retheme to make it fit. I haven't seen a lot of mountains, hills and waterfalls in the bayous of Louisiana. Especially near New Orleans.
 

aladdin2007

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I'd say there is no chance of it leaving. Especially when there are large steamboat scenes in the film. It is the perfect set piece for a finale.

This...., Im sure they will just stick Tiana and Naveen up there to wave goodbye to you as you float by, just like mermaid and others do now (making every attraction too much the same in my opinion but thats what they go for now. anything "ever after" ) :rolleyes:
 

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Disney could literally renovate Mainstreet to look like a war-torn bazaar, and it would get 100's of thousands of likes from Disney fans and youtubers calling it a powerful and brave message.

They converted tower of terror at DCA to a cyberpunk warehouse fortress power plant and people loved it.
 

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Yup. I might pass out if this ends up something more than just a mediocre overlay. I'd wager a good bet, that a lot of props/set pieces, get reused in the name of saving cash.

I'd bet it's even less than what you think. Why reuse when the cheaper move is to just remove.
 
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celluloid

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I agree, I was really just talking the set pieces and props, not any of the character AAs. I'm sure Disney has been itching to kill the heavy AA aspect of Splash.

And how sad of a condition are things going to be for the remainder of it's time? If it does remain open for awhile, It will get pretty ugly. It has not looked it's best in recent times, especially pre ZipLock, which tells me either Disney really had not planned this that long ago or it was it's last chance ala TMC GMR to appease execs
 

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I got to disagree on that one.

I don't think it works for Magic Kingdom because they are the ORIGINAL CLASSIC lands for Disney World. If a new park was opening, sure make up whatever lands and connections you want that works thematically. But replacing the O.G.'s would be like p*ssing on grandma's grave.

Pretty much.

I was thinking about the American Waterfront at Tokyo DisneySea. There are two themed areas, Cape Cod and New York Harbor. If Liberty Square and Frontierland merged to become the American Waterfront, then the front could remain Boston Harbor and Frontierland could be reimagined to transition into New Orleans Square.

This is more or less just a rename of lands, I think. Doesn't really address much else unless it's purpose is to "baby steps" us into a larger overhaul of eliminating things. A rename would be OK, IMO so long as the Old West motifs nearest Big Thunder remains in check and much of Liberty remains unscathed. In short, Liberty still needs to look like Liberty and Frontierland (at least the part near Big Thunder) an idealized view of Western Expansion.

For real change; I think it obvious to most anyone that HoP and CBJ are becoming more and more problematic, which might be what is being hinted at with the rename ideas. But instead of renaming lands, why not just address those attractions? Replacing HoP with a Sleepy Hollow
attraction, edit CBJ and replacing Frontierland shooting gallery.

As for Splash (Oh, Hi Tiana!) it seems we are mostly in agreement about the need to have Frontierland transition into a new, New Orleans Square area as a possible fix to address somewhat disharmonious themes. But the base question remains... how would TDO/WDI do that? And will they?

EDIT: It just occurred to me that Splash would have to be in a more generalized "Bayou District" and not New Orleans Square as has been discussed. Why? because none of the other themed areas are named after specific towns or states. But we're getting off topic now.
 
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KaliSplash

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I agree, I was really just talking the set pieces and props, not any of the character AAs. I'm sure Disney has been itching to kill the heavy AA aspect of Splash.
You mean like the million dollar bunny? as one cast member put it to me years ago referring to the hop a long as you make the turn and vanish in time to reappear for the next log. :)
 
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