MaximumEd
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What @Magic Feather said would work great, but not having Facilier would make it come up short for me. I’m not the target audience, however.
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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure
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Phineas
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Interminable ear worm that it is, Dig a Little Deeper would make for a great theme/thesis for the whole attraction.
ToTBellHop
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Exactly. This project is Disney blatantly responding to a political movement. If they wish to show support for this political movement (and it seems they do), this must be done well.
DarkMetroid567
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Yup. Not to mention the drop on Splash is significantly more intense than FEA’s. You can’t really pass the drop as a happy-go-lucky fun time like in Frozen.
I think the ride has a lot of potential for shadow projections.
ToTBellHop
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If we are going to make a statement and showcase an African American princess, they’ll want her to be clearly African American the whole time. Merely using a frog voiced by an African American would not be viewed as a strong enough statement by some. Subtlety doesn’t work anymore.
Facilier went to hell. I understand they plan to bring him back for an encore.
KingdomofDreams
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I'm warming up to the idea. I love the Louisiana Bayou/New Orleans theme and the beginning Bayou scene in Pirates at DL is one of my favorites on that ride. There's a lot of potential for a great, new experience if Disney doesn't muck it up. It's just disappointing to lose the attractions/rides that hold so many memories that make up that Disney feeling. Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash and CoP are those rides for me at Magic Kingdom. Losing the Great Movie Ride at the Studios was a big disappointment to our entire family, young and old. No one in our family is excited at all about Runaway Railway but maybe we'll enjoy it when we finally get to ride it. I just have a hard time thinking it will in any way prove to be a worthy replacement for GMR. If we lose SSE and Living with the Land at EPCOT.... I don't even want to think about it. I get that there are certain aspects that are problematic with the current theme of Splash. I never looked at it with any connection to SotS but I guess if others do, I can respect that.
I just wish (in general) Disney could grasp the concept of upgrading technology and plussing rather than dumbing down, and stop removing the huge, elaborate sets with AA's that really transport you into the experience, or sadly, doing away with the attractions completely. Where have all the truly imaginative and creative minds gone?
As far as dining goes... beignets and muffulettas? Yes, please!
I just wish (in general) Disney could grasp the concept of upgrading technology and plussing rather than dumbing down, and stop removing the huge, elaborate sets with AA's that really transport you into the experience, or sadly, doing away with the attractions completely. Where have all the truly imaginative and creative minds gone?
As far as dining goes... beignets and muffulettas? Yes, please!
MerlinTheGoat
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I can't imagine Facilier being present in any form other than shadow. And the most logical place for that is the final lift hill. If they really wanted to be lazy and cheap, they might even reuse the projector for Brer Fox's shadow.
Surferboy567
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I really hate to plug myself but my concept has this exact idea in it. I think Dr. Facilier has to be the one that is responsible for our fall down Mama Odie’s house. This concept involves our journey into the bayou to her house in typical disney fashion something goes wrong...you know the drill.
InnKpr
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We know Mama Odie blasts shadow creatures with her club thingy, and Facilier is now nothing more than a shadow himself. Maybe this will be an opportunity for an Odie/Facilier showdown at the ride's climactic scene before the drop.
It's a shame those two couldn't go toe-to-toe just once in the movie, considering their skills in magic capabilities (not to mention the rumor it was once planned to reveal in the story that SHE trained him before he turned to greed.)
It's a shame those two couldn't go toe-to-toe just once in the movie, considering their skills in magic capabilities (not to mention the rumor it was once planned to reveal in the story that SHE trained him before he turned to greed.)
MythBuster
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Yes, let's hope so. Access to the show lighting has always been a problem. During construction the lighting is easy installed because of scaffolding everywhere but after opening it was very difficult to access the lighting and other show effects because they didn't provide anything for maintenance. I remember many nights putting an extension ladder in the middle of the flume, after it was drained of course, and leaning it on the lighting bar as the only means of support and usually only had a hour before they refilled the flume to cycle the logs for inspection.
No Name
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No. Enclosing it would take away a lot of energy from the surrounding area.
I guess people see things differently. I don’t find the bottom scene any less detailed. In fact, irrespective of anything else, I find the bottom scene a far more effective part of the ride.
MerlinTheGoat
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The chances of Disney reusing the America Sings AA's are pretty low considering the trends and logic behind this overhaul. It depends on a couple of unlikely things. One being that the imagineers have fallen to a level of such extreme incompetence and lack of attention to detail that they don't know or don't care about the massive differences between the character designs and proportions of the Splash Mtn animals and the ones from PATF.
Look at these birds from this scene in PATF-
Now look at these from Splash Mountain-
The vast majority of Splash Mtn's animatronics are in this nebulous middle ground where they are simultaneously far too anthropomorphic to be reused for PATF's more realistic animal designs, but also entirely the wrong shape to be reskinned as humans. Louis is one of the only animals in the movie that has a shape you might be able to adapt from an existing animatronic (perhaps using parts from Brer Bear). And some of the tiny animals with more simplistic movement might also be reusable if you remove their clothing (Mr Bluebird, Roadrunner and the other smaller miscellaneous frogs and turtles). But that's about it.
The other problem is that the executives will be thirsty as all hell at the opportunity to gut yet another animatronics heavy ride in favor of one with much emptier and more sparsely detailed rooms. I don't see them approving anywhere close to the same amount of newly designed animatronic figures either.
My prediction is that much like the Frozen ride, much of the physical scenery will be gutted and replaced with empier hallways of projections and lasers (specifically for fireflies and other small bugs and birds). Any physical animal figures are likely to be much smaller in size, probably using a mixture of static models or simpler moving figures ala Little Mermaid (not actual animatronics). The only animatronics are likely to be a half dozen (if we're lucky) figures combined of Tiana, Naveen and possibly Mama Odie. Louis might be reskinned from a Brer Bear frame or something. If Facilier appears in any form, it almost certainly won't be an AA but a basic shadow projection. Incidentally, one hopes they don't go for facial projections for the humans. This effect rarely looks good and more often than not is awkward and poorly executed. It'll be even more of a challenge for characters with darker skin tones.
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Magenta Panther
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Next to Tiana (as a human), he's the best thing about that movie, although his potential was mostly wasted.
Thanks phoenicians
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If they're really gonna go all in on this then honestly build a Tiana's place restaurant sorta like a blue bayou. I realize there's no way that happens but MK imo has by far the worst TS of the 4 WDW parks so it would be nice.
MaximumEd
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DLR’s Splash also has the flume running a foot per second or so faster, giving a slightly quicker pace to things.
UNCgolf
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I'm hard pressed to call anything about Frozen Ever After effective, but I think you're right that there's really not much (if any) less detail in the Frozen scene as there was in the Maelstrom scene.
That doesn't excuse FEA, though. It suffers from a criminal lack of detail throughout the entire ride; it's embarrassing.
PizzaPlanet
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Will that firefly character come back from the dead for this ride? We may be in for another prominent Jim Cummings performance...
MerlinTheGoat
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The set dressing of the DL and WDW versions is vastly different. Particularly the interior scenes following the first drop.
These scenes at DL's feel more swampy and compact/interconnected with less separation. The walls are generally obscured with scenery and mostly painted dark colors so it feels more like a darker densely forested swamp environment. Even the foliage used to fill out the ceiling looks very different, colorful hanging ferns (or perhaps it's supposed to be Spanish moss).
WDW's scenery feels more like a river traveling along the edge of a forest. The walls are painted with brightly lit colorful murals of distant farmland, rolling hills, trees and sky. The scenes themselves are just as densely detailed, but also larger and better spread out and segmented from one another. Rockwork is more detailed and hilly, with redder looking dirt and clay layers. Even the ceiling foliage is very different, using tree branches adorned with leaves instead of the hanging moss/ferns from DL. Some of the same differences are present in the riverboat finale scene as well. By and large, a significant chunk of the scenery at WDW is much better and more detailed IMO. Not specifically because of the different environment it goes through (though I do prefer that too), the scenery simply received more attention and detail than the DL version.
Tokyo's by comparison seems more similar to the setting of Cali's, again deep within a swampy forest. Same sort of hanging moss/fern foliage as DL as well, and largely obscured walls that lack the aforementioned murals of WDW's. However much like WDW, greater detail was still put into the environmental scenery than Disneyland (mostly that is, I don't like the design of the Laughing Place caverns as much as DL and WDW, or the removal of the old water mill and shaft at the beginning).
Animatronics wise I believe Disneyland has the most figures by a small amount, Google lists it as 68 figures (which is roughly accurate from my count, though a couple of these are smaller simpler figures). It reuses the America Sings AAs, and a handful of characters didn't make it into WDW and Tokyo. Though it should be noted that the ones used for the main "Brer" trio from the movies have significantly better designs at WDW and Tokyo and several contain superior motion over their DL counterparts (especially the hopping Rabbit figure which isn't in DL). WDW and Tokyo also still utilize an enormous quantity on their own merits. I was only counting the ones with what I consider at least a decent range of motion, and that was about 55. Add an extra 5-10 for the simpler moving figures. Greater quantity by far than anything Disney has built over the past 20 years.
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InnKpr
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Having a squished Ray in the ride would make for an awkward & depressing cameo.
Though his many family members are certain to be in this. He might be referenced, considering he's up in the sky now with Evangeline. Probably a screen effect somewhere along the ride.
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