News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[BagOfGroceries]

Which goes to show that with enough exposure almost any Disney property can become profitable and/or popular.

See: Hocus Pocus

There's ample historical precedent with a substantial number of Disney animated films flopping initially in theaters but later going on to become impressive sales juggernauts with rereleases. Especially on home video.

THE example of this is a true classic: FANTASIA.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Profitable or not is kind of irrelevant at this point, show people a picture of Tiana and most are going to know who she is, she’s universally known. That’s the value of the IP.

Where box office, streaming data, merch sales, etc is relevant though is in gauging popularity across similar properties, if we are debating which Princess should receive a ride it makes sense to look at the data, if one made $2 billion dollars and the other made $500 million I know which one I’d put in the parks. Same with the Nielsen ratings, or even anecdotal evidence like how many dresses we see in the parks. They‘d all factor in.

 

[Bocabear]

Profitable or not is kind of irrelevant at this point, show people a picture of Tiana and most are going to know who she is, she’s universally known. That’s the value of the IP.

Where box office, streaming data, merch sales, etc is relevant though is in gauging popularity across similar properties, if we are debating which Princess should receive a ride it makes sense to look at the data, if one made $2 billion dollars and the other made $500 million I know which one I’d put in the parks. Same with the Nielsen ratings, or even anecdotal evidence like how many dresses we see in the parks. They‘d all factor in.

But it should really be more about which princess could fit seamlessly into the area they are placing the attraction, and which princess can inspire the best attraction....The Princesses all have different stories and different tones....Park fit and attraction design should be a higher priority than which one had a better box office...

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

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Completely missed the point.

But it should really be more about which princess could fit seamlessly into the area they are placing the attraction, and which princess can inspire the best attraction....The Princesses all have different stories and different tones....Park fit and attraction design should be a higher priority than which one had a better box office...

Thats definitely a factor, but only a factor.

Atlantis could fit seemlessly into a water based ride but would anyone know who Kida or the characters are?

 

[lewisc]

Wasn't figment an IP created for EPCOT? Tiana is an existing IP being re imagined for the Splash replacement. I have no idea if it will be creatively great, really bad or just OK. The ride itself should be good enough to bury many mistakes. The question is how many guests will be lining up to book a Tiana character meal or buy Tiana merchandise.

 

[mickEblu]

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Agreed! Or at least, it deserved better than _this_ retheme. Whether PaTF was a stellar IP or just a very good one, they took a movie with magic and romance and villainy and voodoo and even a nod to the stumbling block of entrenched racism... and decided that what people really wanted more of was a childrens' sermon on ethical food production.

"Find the missing ingredient," indeed! What seems to be missing from Disney's Splash makeover is the slightest notion of what anyone enjoyed about PaTF in the first place.

Well said. All that remains is the fact that some of it is still set in the Bayou and Louis. Even Ray will probably reduced to some sort of Easter egg or star in the background. Wouldn’t even be surprised if we don’t see Tiana in her signature green dress.

 

[sedati]

 

[Touchdown]

Splash Mountain FL was the superior version of the two for these reasons:
1. The logs floated in FL instead of constantly scraping the bottom and moving janky from side to side. FL it felt like you were on a river.
2. You moved slower through the show scenes and could absorb the story more.
3. Brer Fox was more movie accurate
4. You get one more drop in FL
5. You do not get soaked on the ride in FL
6. Higher capacity
7. The bluegrass instrumental of Zip at the bottom of the drop was the best park background music in any Disney park.

Note-1-2, 4-6 will still be true on Tiana

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Splash Mountain FL was the superior version of the two for these reasons:
1. The logs floated in FL instead of constantly scraping the bottom and moving janky from side to side. FL it felt like you were on a river.
2. You moved slower through the show scenes and could absorb the story more.
3. Brer Fox was more movie accurate
4. You get one more drop in FL
5. You do not get soaked on the ride in FL
6. Higher capacity
7. The bluegrass instrumental of Zip at the bottom of the drop was the best park background music in any Disney park.

Thank you for posting this! WDW definitely had the superior version, in pretty much every way.

 

[Bocabear]

It's funny we have the inline seating on Space Mountain and Disneyland has side by side seating on their version... We have the side by side seating for Splash and they have the inline seating on their version....

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Thank you for posting this! WDW definitely had the superior version, in pretty much every way.

I definitely agree but Disneyland did have 1 advantage - the original America Sings AA’s! I also liked how the logs really felt like they went into the river.

I wish they could put some of the America sings AA’s back in the carousel of progress building - they have plenty of room!

 

[networkpro]

But it should really be more about which princess could fit seamlessly into the area they are placing the attraction, and which princess can inspire the best attraction....The Princesses all have different stories and different tones....Park fit and attraction design should be a higher priority than which one had a better box office...

If they were just going by box office, the other little movie that came out the same year from another Disney company, Pixar, called UP would have won.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Disneyland's Splash had a larger quantity of animatronics due to receiving all of the original America Sings figures, while WDW didn't get copies of every single one (Tokyo ended up getting a couple extras that WDW never got, but still not as many as DL). Their Riverboat was also larger.

That said, WDW's Splash had significantly higher quality scenery. Both inside and out. There's just a lot more detail to everything at WDW. It's easier to see the signs of where they were running low on money at DL. They also changed the setting to take place in a sunny hilly countryside with farmland instead of a dark bayou. This is most noticeable with the overhead foliage, reduced amount of water flooding the rooms and the background detail added to the walls. I posted these shots over in the other thread, and I think they serve as a good comparison for the environmental differences-

In addition, as you also may be able to see from the two images above, WDW received superior animatronics for the main trio of Brer characters. They have better movement but their skins also look better and more closely resemble what they looked like in the film. I believe there were also extras of these main characters that weren't at DL as well.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Disneyland's Splash had a larger quantity of animatronics due to receiving all of the original America Sings figures, while WDW didn't get copies of every single one (Tokyo ended up getting a couple extras that WDW never got, but still not as many as DL). Their Riverboat was also larger.

That said, WDW's Splash had significantly higher quality scenery. Both inside and out. There's just a lot more detail to everything at WDW. It's easier to see the signs of where they were running low on money at DL. They also changed the setting to take place in a sunny hilly countryside with farmland instead of a dark bayou. This is most noticeable the the overhead foliage, reduced amount of water flooding the rooms and the background detail added to the walls. I posted these shots over in the other thread, and I think they serve as a good comparison for the environmental differences-

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In addition, as you also may be able to see from the two images above, WDW received superior animatronics for the main trio of Brer characters. They have better movement but their skins also look better and more closely resemble what they looked like in the film.

For some reason, Disneyland changed their Brer Fox animatronics at some point to look like this:

Anyone know when or why?

 

[Disstevefan1]

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T r O p H y

 

[sedati]

It's funny we have the inline seating on Space Mountain and Disneyland has side by side seating on their version... We have the side by side seating for Splash and they have the inline seating on their version....

Basically which came first. The clones were built for higher capacity.

 

[sedati]

Certainly loved both rides. WDW's actual ride is superior but the execution of the facade was a fireable offense. I'd also say that Disneyland's scene of the mothers warning the children not to go to the laughing place was wonderfully foreboding and sorely missed in Florida.

 

[Disney Analyst]

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Splash Mountain FL was the superior version of the two for these reasons:
1. The logs floated in FL instead of constantly scraping the bottom and moving janky from side to side. FL it felt like you were on a river.
2. You moved slower through the show scenes and could absorb the story more.
3. Brer Fox was more movie accurate
4. You get one more drop in FL
5. You do not get soaked on the ride in FL
6. Higher capacity
7. The bluegrass instrumental of Zip at the bottom of the drop was the best park background music in any Disney park.

Note-1-2, 4-6 will still be true on Tiana

I certainly strongly preferred Disneyland’s facade, and I enjoyed the foreboding approach to the final lift hill, which was cut for Florida.

But Mk’s version certainly shined in a lot of ways.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I prefer the exterior at DL and prefer the interior at WDW but the view of the castle at night at WDW sets it apart. That view is glorious.

 

[neo999955]

I prefer the exterior at DL and prefer the interior at WDW but the view of the castle at night at WDW sets it apart. That view is glorious.

That's my favorite part of the ride, probably.