Disstevefan1
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If they do reuse the AAs, I for one, won't be angry.
To be honest, regardless of what the new attraction ends up looking like, the only thing I am worried about is HOW LONG THIS ATTRACTION WILL BE CLOSED.
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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure
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To be honest, regardless of what the new attraction ends up looking like, the only thing I am worried about is HOW LONG THIS ATTRACTION WILL BE CLOSED.
Midwest Elitist
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_caleb
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That post was too long for you?TL;DR:
"Disney can do no wrong, stop attacking Disney"
MerlinTheGoat
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It's going to be a LOT harder for them to get away with skimping on the scenery than Frozen. While Maelstrom has a lot of fans, it has never been remotely as popular or well regarded as Splash. It was also quite apparent early on that it was a low budget crappy retheme. Even the concept art was pretty hideously barren, especially compared to the same scene from Maelstrom (which had more than one moving prop aside from the three headed troll as well as some nice dense foliage).
Even had it been in an appropriate location as a new build, Frozen's art still looked bad. And that was their "best foot forward" too. It's an ugly and empty ride, but at least the art sort of accurately portrayed that. I'm interested to see what Tokyo's Frozen ride is like. It's going to be an entirely different take with a vastly larger building and budget. Non-projected AA's too. While Hong Kong's is rumored to be more similar to Epcot's unfortunately, even they're apparently getting at least one non-projected AA as well...
I hope they don't use face projections for Tiana, I don't have concrete information on that matter. They very rarely look decent. Classic Haunted Mansion heads (not including Constance) are the only ones that work really well, and it's because the ethereal white glow fits the with ghostly characters well. The dwarfs are a distant second place, the ambient light of the gemstones helps offset the usual lighting flaws, and the beards help hide the projection seam around the edge of the face. Lumiere also works okay with the effect given his small size and lighting. But every other usage of facial projection has been awful. And I can think of even more reasons why face projection would be a horrible fit for the characters in Tiana.
Whether the final product turns out good or not, at the very least the newest art for Tiana looks vastly better than Frozen's art. It has a lot of AA's and showcases a lush densely detailed environment. And if that's any indication as to what the rest of the ride might be like (the source claims it is, and more), we'll see. The ride's setting is one of the other reasons they can't get away with skimping on the scenery. Unlike Frozen, you can't just paint everything white and use flat corridors. This is a lush swamp teeming with wildlife, not a mountain ice palace (and yes they certainly could have done far better with the scenery in Frozen too, but I would still argue it requires far less detail than a bayou). I still hate that they're replacing Splash and not building a new Tiana ride elsewhere, but this art admittedly looks quite attractive on its own merits (and that's already more than I can say for Frozen)-
The person you responded to was being pessimistic, though not entirely without reason. Disney does have a disturbing track record of gutting AA-rich rides and replacing them with empty video screen laden rooms. I don't blame people for being negative, Disney has a poor track record with projects such as these and hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt. But I was of the same mindset (and still have a hard time letting go of my skepticism) and was recently given good reason that this might end up being a rare exception to the norm and turn out solid. Time will tell. The art above is clearly showcasing a number of animatronics though, and that's a positive sign. Hopefully the other scenes also have a lot, and don't drop the ball on the background detail.
Even had it been in an appropriate location as a new build, Frozen's art still looked bad. And that was their "best foot forward" too. It's an ugly and empty ride, but at least the art sort of accurately portrayed that. I'm interested to see what Tokyo's Frozen ride is like. It's going to be an entirely different take with a vastly larger building and budget. Non-projected AA's too. While Hong Kong's is rumored to be more similar to Epcot's unfortunately, even they're apparently getting at least one non-projected AA as well...
I hope they don't use face projections for Tiana, I don't have concrete information on that matter. They very rarely look decent. Classic Haunted Mansion heads (not including Constance) are the only ones that work really well, and it's because the ethereal white glow fits the with ghostly characters well. The dwarfs are a distant second place, the ambient light of the gemstones helps offset the usual lighting flaws, and the beards help hide the projection seam around the edge of the face. Lumiere also works okay with the effect given his small size and lighting. But every other usage of facial projection has been awful. And I can think of even more reasons why face projection would be a horrible fit for the characters in Tiana.
Whether the final product turns out good or not, at the very least the newest art for Tiana looks vastly better than Frozen's art. It has a lot of AA's and showcases a lush densely detailed environment. And if that's any indication as to what the rest of the ride might be like (the source claims it is, and more), we'll see. The ride's setting is one of the other reasons they can't get away with skimping on the scenery. Unlike Frozen, you can't just paint everything white and use flat corridors. This is a lush swamp teeming with wildlife, not a mountain ice palace (and yes they certainly could have done far better with the scenery in Frozen too, but I would still argue it requires far less detail than a bayou). I still hate that they're replacing Splash and not building a new Tiana ride elsewhere, but this art admittedly looks quite attractive on its own merits (and that's already more than I can say for Frozen)-
I was told they would be reusing Splash's old ones. The America Sings ones that is. That said, it's the one thing i'm waiting to see if it's true. While the art does show what is clearly quite a number of AA's, i've yet to spot any that are clearly reused from Splash. MAYBE the raccoon, but the rest don't look like any existing characters. Even the trio of frogs there look like new and unique designs compared to the Splash ones. Granted this is literally one scene. Though I wonder whether "reusing" in this context means the internals, but with new skins/shapes.
The person you responded to was being pessimistic, though not entirely without reason. Disney does have a disturbing track record of gutting AA-rich rides and replacing them with empty video screen laden rooms. I don't blame people for being negative, Disney has a poor track record with projects such as these and hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt. But I was of the same mindset (and still have a hard time letting go of my skepticism) and was recently given good reason that this might end up being a rare exception to the norm and turn out solid. Time will tell. The art above is clearly showcasing a number of animatronics though, and that's a positive sign. Hopefully the other scenes also have a lot, and don't drop the ball on the background detail.
Smiley/OCD
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It’s keeping the M…just changing from a mountain to a mine…now the only salt mountains you’ll see are the ones on the sides of the highway to melt the ice & snow…
Smiley/OCD
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He was waving his arms because he actually saw working AA’s…but it didn’t last long…
MerlinTheGoat
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Just for the record, Splash doesn't have 77 animatronics, not even the Disneyland version has that many. Fan websites vastly inflate the numbers, but Disney's own official page takes the cake as most dishonest of them all by claiming it has "over 100" animatronics. It's a mixture of them outright lying (for marketing purposes) and also counting literally anything that moves. Even if it's a simple 1-axis repeating motorized prop that shouldn't remotely qualify. Such as the spinning bees in the Laughing Place (they literally claim it has "animatronic bees" on the ride's page).
In actuality, Disneyland has about 70 legitimate animatronics and MK has about 60 (give or take a couple, I did a precise count once but forgot the exact single digit numbers). That's still a ton of AA's, more than anything they've built since Sinbad at Tokyo Disneysea (Splash itself being the last of its kind in the US).
mickEblu
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It's going to be a LOT harder for them to get away with skimping on the scenery than Frozen. While Maelstrom has a lot of fans, it has never been remotely as popular or well regarded as Splash. It was also quite apparent early on that it was a low budget crappy retheme. Even the concept art was pretty hideously barren, especially compared to the same scene from Maelstrom (which had more than one moving prop aside from the three headed troll as well as some nice dense foliage).
Even had it been in an appropriate location as a new build, Frozen's art still looked bad. And that was their "best foot forward" too. It's an ugly and empty ride, but at least the art sort of accurately portrayed that. I'm interested to see what Tokyo's Frozen ride is like. It's going to be an entirely different take with a vastly larger building and budget. Non-projected AA's too. While Hong Kong's is rumored to be more similar to Epcot's unfortunately, even they're apparently getting at least one non-projected AA as well...
I hope they don't use face projections for Tiana, I don't have concrete information on that matter. They very rarely look decent. Classic Haunted Mansion heads (not including Constance) are the only ones that work really well, and it's because the ethereal white glow fits the with ghostly characters well. The dwarfs are a distant second place, the ambient light of the gemstones helps offset the usual lighting flaws, and the beards help hide the projection seam around the edge of the face. Lumiere also works okay with the effect given his small size and lighting. But every other usage of facial projection has been awful. And I can think of even more reasons why face projection would be a horrible fit for the characters in Tiana.
Whether the final product turns out good or not, at the very least the newest art for Tiana looks vastly better than Frozen's art. It has a lot of AA's and showcases a lush densely detailed environment. And if that's any indication as to what the rest of the ride might be like (the source claims it is, and more), we'll see. The ride's setting is one of the other reasons they can't get away with skimping on the scenery. Unlike Frozen, you can't just paint everything white and use flat corridors. This is a lush swamp teeming with wildlife, not a mountain ice palace (and yes they certainly could have done far better with the scenery in Frozen too, but I would still argue it requires far less detail than a bayou). I still hate that they're replacing Splash and not building a new Tiana ride elsewhere, but this art admittedly looks quite attractive on its own merits (and that's already more than I can say for Frozen)-
I was told they would be reusing Splash's old ones. The America Sings ones that is. That said, it's the one thing i'm waiting to see if it's true. While the art does show what is clearly quite a number of AA's, i've yet to spot any that are clearly reused from Splash. MAYBE the raccoon, but the rest don't look like any existing characters. Even the trio of frogs there look like new and unique designs compared to the Splash ones. Granted this is literally one scene. Though I wonder whether "reusing" in this context means the internals, but with new skins/shapes.
The person you responded to was being pessimistic, though not entirely without reason. Disney does have a disturbing track record of gutting AA-rich rides and replacing them with empty video screen laden rooms. I don't blame people for being negative, Disney has a poor track record with projects such as these and hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt. But I was of the same mindset (and still have a hard time letting go of my skepticism) and was recently given good reason that this might end up being a rare exception to the norm and turn out solid. Time will tell. The art above is clearly showcasing a number of animatronics though, and that's a positive sign. Hopefully the other scenes also have a lot, and don't drop the ball on the background detail.
Any word on Facilier? Just checking in.
JohnD
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Yeah. But that has nothing to do with Brer Rabbit. Michael Eisner had some convoluted thought to call it "Splash Mountain" to promote the Tom Hanls/Darryl Hannah movie "Splash." I agree the title could still apply to the new theme.
MerlinTheGoat
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Nothing that i've been told either way.
But purely from my own speculation, i'd be surprised if he appears. Maybe a tombstone prop or shadow projection (still hope the final lift has some "Friends on the Other Side" tension before reaching the top). I just don't get the feeling they're going to even have a villain in this ride. Neither the Frozen or Beauty and the Beast rides include the villains (BATB just has a brief shadowy projection of a mob outside, Gaston isn't in the ride). If they wanted to, they could work around his death using voodoo to resurrect him. But i'm not expecting them to go for that. Again i'm just speculating here and don't know either way.
Logic of nothing promoited mixed with contracts in show business tells me that we are not getting Faciler. He is not in the show, and that is where the locked in cost of the recordings will be coming from the main voice cast.
A sound alike and payment would not cut it, so they just directly tie in with Food Co Op.
A sound alike and payment would not cut it, so they just directly tie in with Food Co Op.
WondersOfLife
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Do you want to know why it is considered an angry, grieving mob? ...Its because the angry grieving mob is typically right in regard to Disney these days. LOL.
Also, I don't think that was an insider.
Also, I don't see anything wrong with either complaint. Both would be valid. Disney better do it right... Like the attraction it replaced.
You can't replace a legendary attraction with no hiccups in its design with an attraction that has even 2 hiccups in its design. Simple as that.
BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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I just wanna point out that I find it extremely amusing that this piece has a raccoon that looks exactly like the one from Pocahontas and I'm like "that movie is even more offensive than SotS"
Kirby86
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Yeah I know it's named after Tom Hamks Darryl Hannah movie. I personally thought the smart route to go was to still use the Splash Mountain name as well.
Yeah, that Eisner story gets exaggerated. So what he thought it was cute to use the term, but as you say, it still made perfect sense and it was not like a parking lot dedicated to a dumb chicken side character. It fit the nomenclature naming pattern of Space and Thunder. Things the attractions story feature.
Casper Gutman
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You care about the popularity, artistry, and cultural legacy of Splash. I care about the popularity, artistry, and cultural legacy of Splash. There is NO evidence that Disney cares about the popularity, artistry, and cultural legacy of Splash. In fact, everything about how they have undertaken this redo indicates that not only do they not care, they are so isolated by group think and arrogance that they don’t even understand those things.
As to concept art, I point you to the concept art for GotG vs the final product. It’s also worth noting that the Tiana concept art is very impressionistic, “capturing the feeling rather then the literal reality” (hence it’s framing by the looming Louie, likely not a feature of the actual ride, and the lack of a clear border to the flume) whereas the Frozen and misleading GotG art were more clearly “this is a representation of what you will actually see.”
Midwest Elitist
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This is a corporation who doesn't realize that their attractions are "art" and that people around the world care about them very much. They seriously thought they could just do a crappy turnover of a retheme before the budget was supposedly "increased".
This company is dead to me.
I often wish that OLC would have bought the parks off in a desperate time of it meant TDR quality came to the states.
The hubris does not matter if the company does not care for legacy or not, they can't get away with less than previous all the time or for a long time.
Walt was certainly right with "Quality will out."
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