News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[FettFan]

“Snow White and Her Adventures” goes back to Disneyland’s opening day.

Aye and if it had stopped there, I wouldn’t be quite so hateful to the naming convention.

There’s always a first, then it gets repeated because those who come later suck at naming things.
It’s almost as horrible as the “Thesaurus” names; for a brief moment in time, we had both a Journey of the Little Mermaid AND a Voyage of the Little Mermaid.

 

[FettFan]

That’s exactly what I thought. It’s a brand.

Aye. Pretty much all Louisiana chefs do this.

They’re not just selling the spices, they’re selling the personality.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I see what you’re saying, though I personally think “Tiana’s Place” sounds quite catchy and elegant. (I can’t say the same for “Tiana’s Foods”.)

That’s because Sysco Foods was already taken…

 

[JoeCamel]

Walt Disney was a real person, though.

And Tianna is not?

I have seen her surrounded by little children near the bridge in the MK, it was beautiful, you can't tell me she isn't real......

 

[WondersOfLife]

Almost as unimaginative as when the imagineers who choose to fall back on [Character]-[Adjective]-Adventure

Tiana’s Bayou Adventure follows in the footsteps of

- Ariel’s Undersea Adventure
- Ellen’s Energy Adventure
- Remy’s Ratatouille Adventure
- Snow White’s Scary Adventure

The lazy naming convention has also infected Universal with Hagrid’s Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventure.
Uni Japan didn’t even bother with the adjective for Yoshi’s Adventure…which is actually an improvement.

If they were to any of the old hits these days, they’d probably saddle them with some crap like “Brer Rabbit’s Briar Patch Adventure”, “Master Gracey’s Haunted Adventure”, or “Figment’s Imagination Adventure”.

The only attraction that should actually have the word "adventure" in it's name is Poseidon's Fury. Forever cursed of park guests always thinking it's a ride, when in fact, you are ACTUALLY adventuring through the ruins.. on foot.

All the other ones are bogus.

 

[LittleBuford]

What non Marvel/Star Wars fiction “Disney” Disney+ show or movie have you enjoyed?

The Imagineering Story
Earth to Ned
Prop Culture
The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse (plus the associated seasonal/holiday specials)
Monsters at Work
Zootopia+
SparkShorts
Dug Days
Baymax!

There may be others I'm forgetting (and I've yet to watch everything anyway).

 

[Tha Realest]

This strikes me as making everything much worse. I really like PatF. I absolutely do not care about this D+ series. The fact that Imagineers and management would think it was a good idea to base the redo of a theme park masterpiece, the highest profile redo in Disney parks history, not on the company’s final hand drawn masterpiece, the capper to their traditional animation legacy, but on an episodic streaming cartoon of no particular significance seems to show in an almost caricatured way how little they understand the significance of the ride - or their theme parks in general.

This redo will likely stand for decades. The cartoon will likely be forgotten in a few years at best. Or perhaps that’s the source of my confusion - does Disney view this as a temporary overlay? What other Disney rides, let alone ones of this scale, are based on what amounts to a weekday afternoon cartoon?

I trust Merlin, but I simply cannot square their optimism with every… single… thing Disney is doing with and saying about this project.

At this point, just tear it down.

Does WDI have a good track record when it comes to preparing attractions before the films/series are completed? (Black Spire Outpost comes to mind). And I haven’t been enamored with the D+ animation series based on films so far. Huh. Seems like an odd design choice to not go with something proven, reliable, and liked, but maybe they’ll prove us wrong this time.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

The Baxter story sounds like just that, a story that sounds good that can be repeated in interviews. It's called media training.

Kinda like a Disney folk tale…or a back story…

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Just wondering if this has been brought up, or if anyone else here has had this thought (and yes, I’m going to nitpick )…
Song of the South is set in Georgia, which has plenty of mountains (Brasstown Bald being the highest at 4,784’) and streams/creeks, which fits thematically for Splash Mountain, even though the Frontierland location (at WDW) of the attraction is, technically, thematically off.
I’ve been to NOLA twice, and not only are there no mountains (or natural hills) even remotely close to anywhere near there, most of the city is below sea level (5% in 1895, 30% in 1935, etc.).
The highest point in Louisiana is Driskill Mountain at a whopping 535’, and it’s in northeastern LA, nowhere near NOLA or a bayou, and without a stream/creek anywhere near it.

There, I’ve picked the nits…!!!!!

In the 21st century, Disney chooses to be historically accurate when it fits their narrative.

 

[LittleBuford]

In the 21st century, Disney chooses to be historically accurate when it fits their narrative.

Historical accuracy has never been a feature of the Disney parks, whether today or in past decades.

 

[Touchdown]

The Imagineering Story
Earth to Ned
Prop Culture
The Wonderful World of Mickey Mouse (plus the associated seasonal/holiday specials)
Monsters at Work
Zootopia+
SparkShorts
Dug Days
Baymax!

There may be others I'm forgetting (and I've yet to watch everything anyway).

I enjoyed that one, but I’m disturbed you think it’s fiction

 

[LittleBuford]

I enjoyed that one, but I’m disturbed you think it’s fiction

I missed “fiction”—my apologies!

 

[Dear Prudence]

Kinda like a Disney folk tale…or a back story…

Like others have said, I am sure there is SOME truth to it, but it's very common in media to have a "narrative" attached to stuff, the way song writers have narratives about how songs were created. I am sure part of it is true, but pushed and plused to give a good story. Then you have people like Tori Amos who tell 5 different stories about how her songs were created and what they're about. I do think Baxter is a genius, though, make no mistake.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Also, who’s broke here? Because it’s not Disney. You can guarantee absolutely nothing.

I think they just made a kajillion dollars on a Marvel something or other recently, like these people are not hurting, they just act like they are.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Aye. Pretty much all Louisiana chefs do this.

They’re not just selling the spices, they’re selling the personality.

In that case, Justin Wilson with his "How Y'all Are Cajun Seasoning" has a lot more personality than Tiana and her "Foods".

It's not so much her name that makes it sound kind of amusing to me, but the very literal and boring "foods" after it. It sounds like if she started a fashion brand it would be called Tiana's Clothes.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

This redo will likely stand for decades. The cartoon will likely be forgotten in a few years at best.

Yes, but that's someone else's problem. The current regime will play its usual game of musical chairs, or just leave by then.

The opportunity for the cross promotion of something new is too irresistible for Disney. I wonder if the Disney+ series played a larger role in this getting done at all now that PatF is over a decade old? Perhaps there was more resistance to the general idea of the makeover when it was just going to involve the 2009 film, so the series and ride were co-developed and pitched simultaneously. They seem to want to distance themselves from the original movie as much as possible, which is perplexing for many of us, but makes sense if your #1 goal is supporting the streaming service you've spent all your time and money on.

Not that basing the ride solely on the OG movie wouldn't also promote the Disney Princess brand, or encourage people to re-watch it on Disney+.

To be clear, I am glad this is not going to be a book report ride, but the combination of elements they're using from the franchise to tell this specific story is strange to me.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Yes, but that's someone else's problem. The current regime will play its usual game of musical chairs, or just leave by then.

The opportunity for the cross promotion of something new is too irresistible for Disney. I wonder if the Disney+ series played a larger role in this getting done at all now that PatF is over a decade old? Perhaps there was more resistance to the general idea of the makeover when it was just going to involve the 2009 film, so the series and ride were co-developed and pitched simultaneously. They seem to want to distance themselves from the original movie as much as possible, which is perplexing for many of us, but makes sense if your #1 goal is supporting the streaming service you've spent all your time and money on.

Not that basing the ride solely on the OG movie wouldn't also promote the Disney Princess brand, or encourage people to re-watch it on Disney+.

To be clear, I am glad this is not going to be a book report ride, but the combination of elements they're using from the franchise to tell this specific story is strange to me.

It’s good for the imagineers that it’s NOT a book report ride…having to explain the mountain in Louisiana…instant F.

 

[LittleBuford]

Ok, look at the original designs of the MK…the segues between Main Street to Liberty Square to Frontierland…the crooked shutters, the “waste canal”, no restrooms in Liberty Square…the original design’s goals were always to be historically accurate as much as possible. There WAS a natural flow.

Thematic richness is not the same as historical accuracy. Imagineering has never been about recreating the past exactly. It’s all highly synthesised, idealised, and, well, Disneyfied.

 

[JoeCamel]

In that case, Justin Wilson with his "How Y'all Are Cajun Seasoning" has a lot more personality than Tiana and her "Foods".

It's not so much her name that makes it sound kind of amusing to me, but the very literal and boring "foods" after it. It sounds like if she started a fashion brand it would be called Tiana's Clothes.

Careful y'all, you gonna get turned into a frog talkin' like that.......

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Thematic richness is not the same as historical accuracy. Imagineering has never been about recreating the past exactly. It’s all highly synthesised, idealised, and, well, Disneyfied.


Everyone here is free to post within the rules of the forum, whether to share an original thought or respond to what others have said. Please don’t tell me to be quiet just because you’re irked that I don’t agree with you.

Let’s talk about historical accuracy in the MK…a few examples…
1) All the flags on Main Street EXCEPT the main flag in the circle are 48 star flags NOT 50 so they are allowed to fly in the dark and don’t have to be raised and lowered…

2) There are NO restrooms in Liberty Square since there was no indoor plumbing during that time.

3) The shutters on the buildings all droop…NOT because they’re not maintained (one of the few examples, lol), but during the Revolutionary War, all metal was being diverted to ammunitions and leather straps had to be used instead of steel hinges, hence the droop…

4) The “sewage canal” on the sidewalks in Liberty Square…HISTORICALLY ACCURATE because that’s the way sewage was handled during colonial times.

There’s 4 examples of historical accuracy NOT thematic richness…not “Disneyfied”