News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Trauma]

Is it “baiting” you to ask you to clarify what you meant in a vague post?

When you’re a smart as Little Buford?

Let me make it more clear:

They = Disney

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m not going to let you bait me.

If you’re curious, you can look at how DISNEY has responded to negative criticism of Star Wars, or Ms. Marvel.

Baiting people isn’t my style. I just wish that people would actually say what they mean rather than hide behind insinuations.

Your suggestion for how I might satisfy my curiosity hasn’t helped, because Disney’s official responses to the controversies you mention are predictably bland and safe. Perhaps I’m missing something, but if you won’t tell me, that’s on you for being evasive, not me for supposedly baiting you.

 

[LittleBuford]

Let me make it more clear:

They = Disney

Again, this doesn’t help. I don’t think Disney itself has ever come close to branding a negative reaction from fans as racist. If you have evidence to the contrary, I’ll gladly apologise for my ignorance.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Again, this doesn’t help. I don’t think Disney itself has ever come close to branding a negative reaction from fans as racist. If you have evidence to the contrary, I’ll gladly apologise for my ignorance.

Disney leadership are generally careful enough not to get too directly involved in antagonistic behavior towards critics. Instead, they'll let the directors or actors do the work for them. Or their army of social media bloggers or celeb-wannabe cast members. There's been a lot of dogpiling happening on twitter. It makes me glad I don't have an account there.

Disney at best turns a blind eye to this behavior, but it's also fairly obvious that they've been happy to stoke the flames as well. Calling someone a bigot has become an effective tool at side-stepping and crushing legitimate criticism, even criticism has nothing remotely bigoted about it. I somewhat expect mods to remove this post as well because i've had similar posts targeted in the past.

This time though, it sounds like the salt mine concept was such a poor one that nearly everyone is against the idea. Except apparently the team who came up with it for some reason... I'm much more hopeful that the ride might end up being decent now given what I was told, but the salt mine is still one aspect that will be a knock against it. Hopefully it's just a queue/backstory thing and won't be as focused on during the ride itself.

 

[LittleBuford]

Disney leadership are generally careful enough not to get too directly involved in antagonistic behavior towards critics. Instead, they'll let the directors or actors do the work for them. Or their army of social media bloggers or celeb-wannabe cast members. There's been a lot of dogpiling happening on twitter. It makes me glad I don't have an account there.

Disney at best turns a blind eye to this behavior, but it's also fairly obvious that they've been happy to stoke the flames as well. Calling someone a bigot has become an effective tool at side-stepping and crushing legitimate criticism, even criticism has nothing remotely bigoted about it. I somewhat expect mods to remove this post as well because i've had similar posts targeted in the past.

This time though, it sounds like the salt mine concept was such a poor one that nearly everyone is against the idea. Except apparently the team who came up with it for some reason... I'm much more hopeful that the ride might end up being decent now given what I was told, but the salt mine is still one aspect that will be a knock against it. Hopefully it's just a queue/backstory thing and won't be as focused on during the ride itself.

It’s subjective, of course, but I feel that criticisms rooted in artistic shortcomings are pretty easy to distinguish from those motivated by other factors. The latter tend to be characterised by a recurrent set of talking points that are imagined to be subtle and clever but which readily betray the thinking behind them.

 

[Trauma]

Again, this doesn’t help. I don’t think Disney itself has ever come close to branding a negative reaction from fans as racist. If you have evidence to the contrary, I’ll gladly apologise for my ignoranc.

Not the company directly in some sort of press release. But many people who represent the company have.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

It’s subjective, of course, but I feel that criticisms rooted in artistic shortcomings are pretty easy to distinguish from those motivated by other factors. The latter tend to be characterised by a recurrent set of talking points that are imagined to be subtle and clever but which readily betray the thinking behind them.

I have seen broad "if you like Splash Mountain, you're a racist and I'm happy you're unhappy" comments all over social media. I believe a couple were shared earlier in this thread (might have been the one that moved to the political section and was deleted though). Not from Disney's executives or internal PR department, but from their army of bloggers and even cast members. Or just online crazies who don't even visit Disney parks but are looking for a fight.

There has been no distinction in my experience between people who are actual bigots and just normal fans who legitimately love the ride (the latter of whom are the vast majority from my experience). Disney's control and influence over these people is well known, even if you won't ever see them admit to it. And I can assure you they are happy to have an army who can employ just one or two personal insults (even if entirely false and unrelated) that can crush all dissent and shame people into submission.

 

[LittleBuford]

There has been no distinction in my experience between people who are actual bigots and just normal fans who legitimately love the ride (the latter of whom are the vast majority from my experience).

We’ve seen the distinction play out multiple times in this thread. @Casper Gutman has voiced criticism of the retheme without being labelled a bigot. While not quite as critical, I too have expressed my doubts about the food-cooperative storyline and likewise escaped the kind of censure you’re claiming that Disney secretly promotes.

It is perfectly possible to criticise something without being misinterpreted or unfairly maligned. We see it happen every day, no matter how many times some here claim that any and all criticism is forbidden.

 

[LittleBuford]

Not the company directly in some sort of press release. But many people who represent the company have.

Showrunners, actors, etc. speak for themselves, not for Disney. Disney’s official line is usually silence in such matters.

 

[BobPar]

As a former Staten Islander the Verrazano Bridge toll is so high that I used to refer to it as an admission fee.
Matter of fact, I used to say that it was so expensive it should do something like rides do.
Perhaps have a loop on it.

Come on as a Staten Islander you get a deep discount and pay like a 1/3rd you cant complain lol.

 

[Trauma]

Showrunners, actors, etc. speak for themselves, not for Disney. Disney’s official line is usually silence in such matters.

Sorry if an actor is starring in a Disney show and they are being interviewed or commenting about that show they are representing Disney.

 

[LittleBuford]

Sorry if an actor is starring in a Disney show and they are being interviewed or commenting about that show they are representing Disney.

I don’t agree. And I would say the same regardless of the company in question.

 

[Trauma]

I don’t agree. And I would say the same regardless of the company in question.

I will send you a private message since any further discourse will veer far away from Splash.

 

[Incomudro]

Come on as a Staten Islander you get a deep discount and pay like a 1/3rd you cant complain lol.

I personally barely ever drove over that bridge.
In any event, resident discount or not the price of the bridge is ridiculous.

 

[BobPar]

I personally barely ever drove over that bridge.
In any event, resident discount or not the price of the bridge is ridiculous.

Hahaha. Oh trust me i agree. Its a disgrace. Whats funnier is my history is correct. The bridge was suppose to be “free” after it was paid for when being built lol

 

[UNCgolf]

It is perfectly possible to criticise something without being misinterpreted or unfairly maligned. We see it happen every day, no matter how many times some here claim that any and all criticism is forbidden.

On this forum, absolutely.

On Twitter (and other social media), there is a tendency for people to group up and pile on any dissenting opinions with dismissive language. It happened with the Star Wars sequels, where a significant number of people automatically dismissed anyone with any critical opinion whatsoever as racist/sexist and ignored and/or attacked absolutely anything negative anyone had to say regardless of the basis. It was essentially weaponized to shut down disagreement.

There absolutely were people who hated those films (or Last Jedi specifically) for of racist/sexist reasons, but it certainly wasn't everyone with a critical opinion.

It's one of the reasons social media is such a terrible place to attempt any legitimate discourse, and why I'd love to see Elon Musk's purchase drive Twitter into the ground (although it'll just be replaced with something else). It's full of groupthink.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There absolutely were people who hated those films (or Last Jedi specifically) because of racist/sexist reasons, but it certainly wasn't everyone with a critical opinion.

Everyone I know who hates The Last Jedi hates it because it ruined Finn, a Black character that we all loved from The Force Awakens.

 

[_caleb]

aaaaand we’re political again

 

[solidyne]

I’ve seen a LOT of criticism of TLJ, and this is not a particularly common complaint. How did the film “ruin” Finn?

By making him a human sprinkler in the first ten minutes?

 

[mitchk]

I’ll miss you