Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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_caleb

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I know I’m in the majority. How? Wait times and merchandise sales. If Splash Mountain truly made the average guest uncomfortable, it would have disappeared years ago. It doesn’t. This really isn’t rocket science.
"A lot of people" is not an indication of a majority. And what percentage of the large number of people who like Splash Mountain would actually be delighted to hear about the Princess and the Frog retheme? How much does Disney make from Splash Mountain merchandise sales?

What percentage of guests need to be offended before you think Disney would be justified in changing the ride?
 

_caleb

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They don’t need to defend it. I’ve learned over the years that damage control is worse than actually staying silent and ignoring criticism, as the criticism fades over time. More often than not, damage control makes everything worse. As they say, There’s no such thing as bad publicity. If Disney just ignored this, it wouldn’t have hurt their bottom line at all. I guarantee that.
Wasn't that SeaWorld's strategy when Blackfish was released?
 

Yert3

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Wasn't that SeaWorld's strategy when Blackfish was released?
I have no idea. I know nothing of SeaWorld. All I’m saying is because of the publicity of this change, people are more aware of Song of the South than before. The announcement of this change made national news. The Streisand effect in full.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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This isn’t meant to sound snarky, but isn’t Louis banned from the parks because of that unfortunate incident a few years back?
In the aftermath of the attack, Disney temporarily removed a handful of alligator/crocodile references from the parks. This wasn't permanent. I don't know if Louis has actually been seen since (I've never seen him at WDW anyways, only ever seen Tiana and Naveen at the Liberty Square Gazebo), but no he and all other gators are not banned anymore. Only the live alligator tank in Living with the Land has remained missing since then. Everything else has long since come back.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Incidentally (though to also get back on topic), where did the alleged $50 million budget come? I saw a couple of people post this amount earlier in the thread, but I don't know where they got it from.

According to Google, the original Splash Mountain at Disneyland cost $75 million. While a significant portion of the animatronics were reused from America Sings, it was still a completely new show building, ride system and elaborate rockwork and scenery. I don't know what the versions at WDW and Tokyo cost. They use a considerably different ride system and track layout with more elaborate scenery and rockwork compared to Disneyland. A lot of the minor generic character animatronics were cloned from the Disneyland version, though they are fewer in number. That said, WDW and Tokyo also added a handful of more advanced and better designed figures for the main Brer Rabbit, Bear and Fox characters (particularly an expensive hopping figure). So I'm unsure how this evens out in terms of budget compared to Disneyland's.

That was well over three decades ago. If Disney built Splash Mtn (or a ride with comparable scenery and animatronics) in 2020, I would assume the price would be 5-6 times greater at absolute MINIMUM.

For something more comparable to what they're planning with the Princess and the Frog overhaul, I went back to see if I could find a stated budget for the Frozen overlay of Norway. Back in October 2014, Photodave219 stated that the budget for the Frozen overlay project at Epcot was $75 million. This is presumably the "final" budget (after being slashed 40%). This also includes the new restrooms and M&G next door. But it is likely that a significant portion of that budget went to the ride, around $50 million sounds fairly accurate. If insiders know otherwise, feel free to correct this.

So if this is accurate, one can imagine what $50 million would bring to the table. Also keep in mind however that this was over 5 years ago, so you would likely get even less out of $50 million today than back then. Epcot's Frozen is a FAR smaller ride with fewer and immensely less detailed scenes and animatronics than Splash Mtn. The scenes on the second floor in particular are very desolate empty hallways with projections on the walls. So it's troubling to think of how a full interior gutting and redesign of Splash Mtn's scenes would turn out with a similar budget.
 

Parker in NYC

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This thread is a good example of how embedded white supremacy is in our society. Disney announces they're going to re-theme the attraction, yet in the face of this evidence, many people still refuse to think that any racism exists in Splash Mountain. Even after numerous clear examples have been shown. This is a fundamental problem.

Agreed. I’ve learned a lot in the last two days, confronting things I always assumed I’d “risen above.” Turns out I have a lot to learn.
 

Parker in NYC

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I'm not sure what you want me to say. Just agree with some mythical group of people that I've never met or heard of that want Splash Mountain, my favorite ride, changed? Gee that sounds like fun(ish), kinda, sorta, maybe not.

Some of my closest friends are black/Asian/gay/middle eastern, etc. It’s a qualifier I’ve never understood. Especially since it qualifies nothing.
 

manmythlegend

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Some of my closest friends are black/Asian/gay/middle eastern, etc. It’s a qualifier I’ve never understood. Especially since it qualifies nothing.

You didn't answer my question. Nobody I have ever met in real life, both non-minorities and minorities have even hinted that Splash Mountain offended them. So what is you want me to do? Just agree with some mythical group of people that I've never met or heard of that it want it changed?
 
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