Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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_caleb

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It almost seems that you believe that it is impossible for something positive to be derived from something negative. Song of the South is full of racist undertones and negative tropes. That’s the truth. It’s factual.
Splash Mountain does not have those problems. Yes, it’s source is more than problematic—but that doesn’t mean that everything that is derived from Song of the South is problematic.
For thirty years Disney has tried to distance Splash Mountain from Song of the South. But instead of the distance increasing, the association between the two is becoming more widely recognized. And as society scrutinizes everything for racist connections and undertones, it seems Disney has identified Splash Mountain as something not worth defending. That's ok with me, because they don't need to defend Splash Mountain, they can retheme it.

Personally, I believe it *is possible for something positive to be derived from something negative. But Disney doesn't have to do that–they can make new stories that aren't derived from negative things. If they do it well, they can create things that are fun for more people.
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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I've got some things to say. This was a pure gut punch to me. I love Splash Mountain. Never rode it in Florida but have countless times at Disneyland over the years. To me this right up there with Indiana Jones as not only one of the best rides in the park but as one of the few rides that earns the title of "PERFECT RIDE".

The story, the music, the AA's, the drops, everything combines to be possibly the greatest log ride of all time. It's lighting in a bottle. Even though there are duplicates, for the time the ride was concieved and made it was a perfect storm of things coming together to make an amazing attraction that would not be built these days.

I can recall in '89 seeing the Ernest Goes to Splash Mountain special on the Disney Channel before the ride opened and from that moment on I had to ride it. Recall my first ride, soo magical and fun. I used to be scared of the drop in my younger days in the early 90's. Even now as an adult, when I walk by it, I stop in awe of it. Seeing people go down the main drop is hypnotic. It's iconic. It's a world famous drop. People always stop and look to see who going down it. All eyes of Disneyland are on you as you go down it is how I feel when it's my turn to go down this iconic drop. "This ride is world famous and now it's my turn to go down it" is what I think as I go down it. I never feel like I am in a show building but in a actual mountain.

Is there a more perfect song than Zip-A-Dee-Do-Dah?? It's iconic. There is no better song in Disney pop culture that symoblizes when something goes right in your life than that song. It's been used in modern pop culture as once something goes right for someone they play that song. After surviving the drop, we hear that song because we survived it! Brer Rabbit Survived!! It's time to celebrate!! No song in Princess and the frog can replace it.

This overlay is a HUGE MISTAKE and very disappointing. I don't think it's coincidence that all of a sudden there was petition and concept art a few weeks ago and now Disney has been suddenly planning this for a year. I think Disney started that petition to put it out there in advance to guage public response. I think this is lazy. If you want a Princess and the Frog ride, then build one. Don't put it in a building not meant for it. I think when people use "Well Walt said Disneyland would never be finished" as a excuse for bad imagineering they don't understand what Walt meant. Walt is about plusing the park, adding new rides or updating the existing rides as long as it does not take away from what made the ride beloved in the first place. Not adding technology for the sake of technology but because it is going to add something. If he replaced an attraction it was not a overlay it was to bring something wholly brand new and exciting.

To me, Splash has a timeless eel to it and surpassed the test of time for me. What I like is we don't see any AA's until after the first drop and we go into the mountain proper and we get the melody of 'HOW DO YOU DO?" playing outdoors. Guaranteed now, screens and AA's during the outdoor sections because modern imagineering is lazy. And Tony Baxter is only going to be there in spirit and have noooooo say whatsoever in any decisions on the ride. They gave him a check to praise the ride and use his name to calm down the rabid fan base. Whenever Disney is about to do something stupid they bring out Baxter to go "see?? Tony is ok with it!!"


This is the only start I fear. I FEAR many more rides are next. If they can touch Splash, then Mansion and Pirates are not safe. Not at all. Hell, Mansion already has a season overlay. There is and was and never will be ANYTHING RACISTS ABOUT SPLASH MOUNTAIN!!! It is a simple story of a Rabbit wanting adventure but after almost getting eaten by a fox and a bear, decides home is where the heart is.
 
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Yert3

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it seems Disney has identified Splash Mountain as something not worth defending.
They don’t need to defend it. I’ve learned over the years that damage control is worse than actually staying silent and ignoring criticism, as the criticism fades over time. More often than not, damage control makes everything worse. As they say, There’s no such thing as bad publicity. If Disney just ignored this, it wouldn’t have hurt their bottom line at all. I guarantee that.
 

Kate F

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_caleb

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I know I’m in the majority. How? Wait times and merchandise sales. If Splash Mountain truly made the average guest uncomfortable, it would have disappeared years ago. It doesn’t. This really isn’t rocket science.
"A lot of people" is not an indication of a majority. And what percentage of the large number of people who like Splash Mountain would actually be delighted to hear about the Princess and the Frog retheme? How much does Disney make from Splash Mountain merchandise sales?

What percentage of guests need to be offended before you think Disney would be justified in changing the ride?
 

_caleb

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They don’t need to defend it. I’ve learned over the years that damage control is worse than actually staying silent and ignoring criticism, as the criticism fades over time. More often than not, damage control makes everything worse. As they say, There’s no such thing as bad publicity. If Disney just ignored this, it wouldn’t have hurt their bottom line at all. I guarantee that.
Wasn't that SeaWorld's strategy when Blackfish was released?
 

Yert3

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Wasn't that SeaWorld's strategy when Blackfish was released?
I have no idea. I know nothing of SeaWorld. All I’m saying is because of the publicity of this change, people are more aware of Song of the South than before. The announcement of this change made national news. The Streisand effect in full.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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This isn’t meant to sound snarky, but isn’t Louis banned from the parks because of that unfortunate incident a few years back?
In the aftermath of the attack, Disney temporarily removed a handful of alligator/crocodile references from the parks. This wasn't permanent. I don't know if Louis has actually been seen since (I've never seen him at WDW anyways, only ever seen Tiana and Naveen at the Liberty Square Gazebo), but no he and all other gators are not banned anymore. Only the live alligator tank in Living with the Land has remained missing since then. Everything else has long since come back.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Incidentally (though to also get back on topic), where did the alleged $50 million budget come? I saw a couple of people post this amount earlier in the thread, but I don't know where they got it from.

According to Google, the original Splash Mountain at Disneyland cost $75 million. While a significant portion of the animatronics were reused from America Sings, it was still a completely new show building, ride system and elaborate rockwork and scenery. I don't know what the versions at WDW and Tokyo cost. They use a considerably different ride system and track layout with more elaborate scenery and rockwork compared to Disneyland. A lot of the minor generic character animatronics were cloned from the Disneyland version, though they are fewer in number. That said, WDW and Tokyo also added a handful of more advanced and better designed figures for the main Brer Rabbit, Bear and Fox characters (particularly an expensive hopping figure). So I'm unsure how this evens out in terms of budget compared to Disneyland's.

That was well over three decades ago. If Disney built Splash Mtn (or a ride with comparable scenery and animatronics) in 2020, I would assume the price would be 5-6 times greater at absolute MINIMUM.

For something more comparable to what they're planning with the Princess and the Frog overhaul, I went back to see if I could find a stated budget for the Frozen overlay of Norway. Back in October 2014, Photodave219 stated that the budget for the Frozen overlay project at Epcot was $75 million. This is presumably the "final" budget (after being slashed 40%). This also includes the new restrooms and M&G next door. But it is likely that a significant portion of that budget went to the ride, around $50 million sounds fairly accurate. If insiders know otherwise, feel free to correct this.

So if this is accurate, one can imagine what $50 million would bring to the table. Also keep in mind however that this was over 5 years ago, so you would likely get even less out of $50 million today than back then. Epcot's Frozen is a FAR smaller ride with fewer and immensely less detailed scenes and animatronics than Splash Mtn. The scenes on the second floor in particular are very desolate empty hallways with projections on the walls. So it's troubling to think of how a full interior gutting and redesign of Splash Mtn's scenes would turn out with a similar budget.
 

Parker in NYC

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This thread is a good example of how embedded white supremacy is in our society. Disney announces they're going to re-theme the attraction, yet in the face of this evidence, many people still refuse to think that any racism exists in Splash Mountain. Even after numerous clear examples have been shown. This is a fundamental problem.

Agreed. I’ve learned a lot in the last two days, confronting things I always assumed I’d “risen above.” Turns out I have a lot to learn.
 
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