Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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Kate F

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I don’t know about you, but personally I think the fact that the ride was based off a controversial IP and became a beloved classic makes for a wonderful redemption story whether it was a bad choice or not. They made the choice to theme it that way and whether or not they should have, people loved it and still love it today.
 
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DubyooDeeDubyoo

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I would not be surprised if Zipadee is used to close out Fantasyland stage performances for some more years to come. Just like they continued using Hellfire, a song whose premise is a prayer to a very Catholic deity to give the villain the strength to resist passion before deciding he should just murder the woman he objectifies, as a general-purpose "Disney Villains theme" well after Hunchback. And it's nowhere near as catchy.

I should add, Tony Jay was one of my favorite voice actors and Hellfire was a masterpiece of a performance. Please don't hate.

I feel like if Frollo and Chernabog have taught me anything, it's that Disney does not let go of music easily. And we all know they love nostalgia.
 
No Name

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Kate F said:
Since PatF's representation is so important, why didn't they make something for Tiana a decade ago when the film was released?
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Because the film’s reach suffered from poor marketing, they were in the middle of a recession, and the theme parks were run by goons who hated investing in the product. Not to mention that the social importance was arguably less apparent in 2009.

But regardless, even if they’re late, better late than never.

manmythlegend said:
I may record "zip a dee doo dah" on my phone and just play it when I'm on the ride.
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Being obnoxious isn’t productive.
 
Bairstow

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egg said:
Everythjng related to Song of the South will be going away, that includes the song and characters. They don’t have to say it for it to be plainly obvious.
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So you're just guessing, then, and don't have any actual proof?
 
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Bleed0range

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manmythlegend said:
I may record "zip a dee doo dah" on my phone and just play it when I'm on the ride.
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Did you know this song was inspired by the old song “Zip ?”

Here’s some lyrics:

(3x) O ole Zip he is a larned skoler, Sings posum up a gum tree an conny in a holler.
(3x) Posum up a gum tree, coonny on a stump, Den over dubble trubble, Zip will jump.

(Chorus)
O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day. O Zip a duden duden duden duden duden day. O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day. Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day.

O ist old Suky blue skin, she is in lub wid me I went the udder arter noon to take a dish ob tea; What do you tink now, Suky hab for supper, Why chicken foot an posum heel, widout any butter.

Chorus:

Did you eber see the wild goose, sailing on de ocean, O de wild goose motion is a berry pretty notion; Ebry time de wild goose, beckens to de swaller, You hear him google google google google gollar.

Chorus:

I went down to Sandy Hollar t other arternoon And the first man I chanced to meet war ole Zip ; Ole Zip he is a natty scholar, For he plays upon de Banjo “Cooney in de hollar”.

Chorus:

My old Missus she’s mad wid me, Kase I would’nt go wid her into Tennessee Massa build him barn and put in de fodder Twas dis ting and dat ting one ting or odder.

Chorus:

I pose you heard ob de battle New Orleans, Whar ole Gineral Jackson gib de British beans; Dare de Yankee boys do de job so slick, creek. For dey cotch old Packenham an rowed him up de first.

Chorus:

I hab many tings to tork about, but dont know wich come So here de toast to old Zip before he gin to rust; May he hab de pretty girls, like de King ob ole, To sing dis song so many times, ’fore he turn to mole.

Chorus:
 
No Name

No Name

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Bairstow said:
According to whom?
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According to nobody. It’s just very obvious that in getting rid of Splash Mountain they won’t leave behind anything from Song of the South.

comics101 said:
I mean, maybe it shouldn’t be unfathomable, but the idea of going to WDW and not hearing Zip a Dee Doo Dah is kind of crazy to me. I really can’t imagine it.
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Me neither, but that’s because it’s built up over years of going. Dig a Little Deeper is a pretty catchy song too.
 
comics101

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egg said:
According to nobody. It’s just very obvious that in getting rid of Splash Mountain they won’t leave behind anything from Song of the South.



Me neither, but that’s because it’s built up over years of experience. Dig a Little Deeper is a pretty catchy song too.
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Not catchy enough to win an Academy Award. Zip is iconic. Dig a Little Deeper does not compare.
 
No Name

No Name

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comics101 said:
Not catchy enough to win an Academy Award. Zip is iconic. Dig a Little Deeper does not compare.
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It’s a good thing millions of people visit the parks each year and not just the academy. I don’t totally disagree with your opinion here, but it’s partially influenced by years of hearing the former, and with time things may be different.
 
comics101

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egg said:
It’s a good thing millions of people visit the parks each year and not just the academy. I don’t totally disagree with your opinion here, but it’s partially influenced by years of hearing the former, and with time things may be different.
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Theres some truth to that, but the song isn’t strictly “Splash Mountain” or “Song of the South.” It’s Disney, you know? It’s become more than “that one song Uncle Remus sang,” if that makes sense. And while that’s partially due to nostalgia, it’s also because the song appeared on Sing Along VHS tapes, and on the Greatest Hits album, and on Disney Channel, etc.
 
Matt_Black

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comics101 said:
Theres some truth to that, but the song isn’t strictly “Splash Mountain” or “Song of the South.” It’s Disney, you know? It’s become more than “that one song Uncle Remus sang,” if that makes sense. And while that’s partially due to nostalgia, it’s also because the song appeared on Sing Along VHS tapes, and on the Greatest Hits album, and on Disney Channel, etc.
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The Jackson Five did a cover, for pity's sake (though my favorite version is done by The Rationals).
 
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thomas998

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Bleed0range said:
Did you know this song was inspired by the old song “Zip ****?”

Here’s some lyrics:

(3x) O ole Zip **** he is a larned skoler, Sings posum up a gum tree an conny in a holler.
(3x) Posum up a gum tree, coonny on a stump, Den over dubble trubble, Zip **** will jump.

(Chorus)
O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day. O Zip a duden duden duden duden duden day. O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day. Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day.

O ist old Suky blue skin, she is in lub wid me I went the udder arter noon to take a dish ob tea; What do you tink now, Suky hab for supper, Why chicken foot an posum heel, widout any butter.

Chorus:

Did you eber see the wild goose, sailing on de ocean, O de wild goose motion is a berry pretty notion; Ebry time de wild goose, beckens to de swaller, You hear him google google google google gollar.

Chorus:

I went down to Sandy Hollar t other arternoon And the first man I chanced to meet war ole Zip ****; Ole Zip **** he is a natty scholar, For he plays upon de Banjo “Cooney in de hollar”.

Chorus:

My old Missus she’s mad wid me, Kase I would’nt go wid her into Tennessee Massa build him barn and put in de fodder Twas dis ting and dat ting one ting or odder.

Chorus:

I pose you heard ob de battle New Orleans, Whar ole Gineral Jackson gib de British beans; Dare de Yankee boys do de job so slick, creek. For dey cotch old Packenham an rowed him up de first.

Chorus:

I hab many tings to tork about, but dont know wich come So here de toast to old Zip **** before he gin to rust; May he hab de pretty girls, like de King ob ole, To sing dis song so many times, ’fore he turn to mole.

Chorus:
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Sorry but I'm not buying that one. Zip **** was sung to the melody of Turkey in the Straw which sounds nothing like Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah . Aside from the word Zip, that's about the only real similarity I see in them. I also don't think the Star Spangled Banner sounds like Santa Claus is Coming to Town simply because they both start with "Oh".
 
Phil12

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Lands of Wonder said:
I know it exists, all forms of hatred and discrimination exists. Changing a ride do to all this is insanity. The elements that may be racist in the movie are nowhere to be found on the ride. Its Bear Rabbits story. None of the live action characters are featured in that ride at all.
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The song, "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" is derived from a racist song that was performed in blackface minstrel shows. There are many other problems with the show as well. However, TWDC has decided to re-theme Splash Mountain to eliminate these racist tropes.
 
Chi84

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I think Disney is doing exactly what it wants to as a company and may be using the current climate as a springboard. The majority here is not anywhere close to the majority of Disney’s customer base, which probably could not (couldn’t) care less about the theming of this ride. It’s a no lose situation for Disney.
 
Phil12

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Chi84 said:
I think Disney is doing exactly what it wants to as a company and may be using the current climate as a springboard. The majority here is not anywhere close to the majority of Disney’s customer base, which probably could not (couldn’t) care less about the theming of this ride. It’s a no lose situation for Disney.
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Disney is trying to avoid the backlash of being an open purveyor of white supremacy.
 
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