Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

That's because this is an absolute war on white people. It's about removing anything white people have ever done.

If you had a child born today, their kids would be taught in school that the founding fathers were black and built the US... Hell they're already trying to push that Africa was a bastion civilization until evil whitey somehow "stole" their knowledge.

Spoiler: #wakandaisntreal

What are you talking about?

Sir this is a thread about a ride.

 

[SteamboatJoe]

It's funny because, when I was a teen girl visiting the parks in the early 90s, I gravitated toward all the "boy" stuff and to this day, find Fantasyland (and new Fantasyland) to be my least favorite part of the parks.

I was never big into princesses myself. I loved adventure, mystery, history, etc. so definitely Frontierland, Adventureland and Liberty Square, appealed to me more. (I could take or leave Tomorrowland).

Honest question, have you ever been fortunate enough to visit Disneyland? In my opinion, they do Fantasyland much better.

 

[PeoplemoverTTA]

That's because this is an absolute war on white people. It's about removing anything white people have ever done.

If you had a child born today, their kids would be taught in school that the founding fathers were black and built the US... Hell they're already trying to push that Africa was a bastion civilization until evil whitey somehow "stole" their knowledge.

Spoiler: #wakandaisntreal

That's it. I don't care who celebrates me leaving this site after 13 years, but I am done.

Get the hell out of here with this crap you racist POS.

 

[The March Hare]

I understand the outrage bc Splash is such an iconic ride, but i’m not surprised at how closed minded people are being over this and how they’re purposefully not even wanting to understand the bigger picture as to why this happened.

Let's be clear. This change has nothing to do with civil rights/liberties or human dignity.

This move is purely about the almighty dollar.

Don't think the monochromatic board rooms of The Walt Disney Company care about racial injustice. There's a business case tied to this move, pure and simple.

 

[getdislove]

What are you talking about?

Sir this is a thread about a ride.

true colors all the way out in the open for no reason

 

[lebeau]

The thing that gets me the most is that I’ve spent my entire life in support of this Company. I’ve always defended the company against the ignorant people who would try to trash it. I’ve spent so much time and money with Disney.

But that doesn’t matter to them. Customer loyalty means nothing to Modern Disney. They’ve stripped away everything I’ve loved and enjoyed about them. If it had just been Splash, and everything else about the company was going great, I could take it just fine. But their movies are becoming soulless. Epcot is becoming more soulless. And this all happens while they increase prices, up charge, and disregard fans.

I get that to some, Splash was a problem because it was guilty through association. And to that, I say, you should’ve made a new association. But now you’ll just bury it and pretend like it never happened. Bury me and pretend like I never was here. Okay. I get it. I’m not welcome here. I’ll just go some place else.

That's a tough lesson, I guess. No, the billion dollar corporate megalith has no loyalty to you or anyone else. If you leave, Disney won't miss you.

 

[getdislove]

Let's be clear. This change has nothing to do with civil rights/liberties or human dignity.

This move is purely about the almighty dollar.

Don't think the monochromatic board rooms of The Walt Disney Company care about racial injustice. There's a business case tied to this move, pure and simple.

Of course, that’s what most of these huge corporations are doing. They don’t want to lose their Black customers. Representation is still important though.

 

[orlandogal22]

Honest question, have you ever been fortunate enough to visit Disneyland? In my opinion, they do Fantasyland much better.

No. But I hope to one day. Alice in Wonderland and Snow White is calling my name.

In WDW's Fantasyland, I gravitated toward Peter Pan, Mr. Toad's, Snow White, etc. I love those sorts of rides. Plus, 20,000 Leagues! Miss it.

 

[Brer Oswald]

That's a tough lesson, I guess. No, the billion dollar corporate megalith has no loyalty to you or anyone else. If you leave, Disney won't miss you.

Good. I’ll just make a competitor company, while spending money at their competitor and forever recommending their competitor over them. It won’t make much of a difference, but oh well.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Exactly! But not only “for boys”, for people like me (a woman) and my siblings, we loved that area too as children. For a while there, Disney got so “girly” all princess and almost segregated their shows into a boy category or girl category, with the “girl category” being dominant, when I was little it wasn’t like that, but then became that way.
For me, Disney isn’t all princesses.. it’s Swiss Family Robinson, Apple Dumpling Gang, Tom & Huck, The Mickey Mouse Club, Donald Duck, etc.

At least part of the park is a little more reminiscent of that. Generations today, boys and girls who aren’t princess-obsessed, can still enjoy it, and do.

I only have boys...that Fantasyland is so girl- and princess-centric now kills me because it severely limits what they want to do in that part of MK.

 

[lebeau]

Exactly. This is why I never expressed my concerns and even being black in the disney community to begin with. I’ve been silent on this my entire life.

I am very glad you found your voice here.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

There is nothing racist about the Brer characters. At all. End of story. They originated in African folklore and have been in adaptations all over the world in 14 different languages.

The problematic parts were the live-action sections of film used to tie the folklore tales together. Nothing connected to those parts of the film are present in the attractions.

So because you aren't offended... thats the end all be all?

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

Get the hell out of here with this crap you racist POS.

Hang on now... I don't agree with Disney.Mike, but who are you to tell him his complaints are invalid? I thought we can never know how complainers feel unless we've walked in their shoes?

 

[getdislove]

I am very glad you found your voice here.

Thank you. I really just wanted to use my experiences as an example! It took a lot of courage.

 

[SteamboatJoe]

I do believe that Disney has known for a while that they would eventually have to change the ride. I don’t believe for a second that they’ve had this in the works for over a year. I think they saw an opportunity to strike that would get them the kind of PR they want, and they took it. I would bet that the petitions from a few weeks ago were pushed by Disney themselves, so they can go “look, we responded to criticism and are addressing it!” Even though prior to this, no one was really demanding an immediate change to Splash. It’s always been something kind of pushed out of sight rather than something anyone was raging about.

This should call the integrity of the company somewhat into question. They have had no problem making money off the ride-related merchandise and promoting the ride on their ads. You could still buy a Brer Bear plush yesterday via the online store.

 

[lebeau]

Of course there are many things better about today’s world, one of which is the equal inclusion of minorities.

I still think there’s a difference between working towards real inclusion (which is good), and being an anxious, nihilistic little dweeb who wants to just troll and destroy good things (like Splash Mountain). I do believe the matter lack meaning in their own lives, yes.

And it won’t just stop at Splash. They’ll target Jungle Cruise, Hall of Presidents, American Adventure - all good things - simply because they have nothing better to do.

So it's fine as long as you're not inconvenienced in any way? Thanks for your support?

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

Frozen is awful. Maelstrom was far better, they should have just plussed it.

Lots of families with small children who struggled to get them to enjoy Epcot would disagree

 

[The March Hare]

Of course, that’s what most of these huge corporations are doing. They don’t want to lose their Black customers. Representation is still important though.

That's the thing - this has nothing to do with representation. TWDC has had ample time and opportunity to promote the story and characters within TPAF. That story got a dessert party on a river boat, inclusion in the villains stage show, and after 10 years a restaurant on a cruise ship, all while New Orleans Square and POFQ exist.

I wish they would have represented such a fantastic film, with important characters, music, and messages earlier and more often, and in more meaningful ways, but that's not this.

 

[SteamboatJoe]

No. But I hope to one day. Alice in Wonderland and Snow White is calling my name.

In WDW's Fantasyland, I gravitated toward Peter Pan, Mr. Toad's, Snow White, etc. I love those sorts of rides. Plus, 20,000 Leagues! Miss it.

You have good taste.

 

[General Mayhem]

I'm gonna be that girl right now, but to any of you complaining that the people upset about this change are the snowflakes just remember this. You are the ones that made the initial stink, you decided to stick your hand in the dumpster fire that is the Theme park fan community. This is not Marvel comics, this is not Tumblr. We are ratchet and we don't care about social justice crap. Just like when Pirates was changed you are going to see a war of astronomical levels.