Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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orlandogal22

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I don't know if this was said here or not as I have not read the thread.

If they want to re-theme it and keep with the land, why not Davy Crockett? They actually produced a movie "Davy Crockett and the River Pirates" which may fit the theme better? I don't know, I never seen the movie.

I have no objection to having "The Princess and the Frog" depicted at Disney, but in a more appropriate manner.

Yes! Davy Crockett would fit better, considering the themed area at MK. (Edit - though, in reality, I'm against the SM change)
Do you remember the Explorer Canoes at MK that you'd row? They were so fun. One of my most favorite memories.

 

celluloid

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I mean Disney princesses are feeding into body image issues for young girls across America. When are they going to redesign them to look “normal”?
Haunted mansion makes a joke on suicide minutes after entering....
Jungle Cruise head hunters scene has made me uncomfortable for years...
Peter Pans issues are well documented....
And that’s just for starters...

Exactly. There is a movie with attractions that features comedic sight gags of Dwarfism through the entire film.

What about a restaurant based on a film that has multiple race strereotypws for humor Ang songs? Tony's.
 
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skimbob

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Let’s face it this is not the first ride that has been changed to be politically correct. POTC comes to mind. They may have decided this a year ago but I doubt it. Tiana is one of several princesses who have not gotten their own ride. She is also the only one of color who has not had her own ride. Splash Mountain is a classic ride but adding Tiana to me personally won’t hurt the ride. To me the characters currently in the ride bring back fond memories of America Sings which is no longer in existence but like many other things change is inevitable.
 

seabreezept813

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I just signed the petition to keep it as is because that’s how little I think of Internet petitions. Go find 75,000 real signatures and maybe you’ll have a chance. Disney didn’t make this decision strictly under pressure from those who wanted the change methinks. They could have said nothing and done nothing and it would have blown over eventually. Just like the last 30 years.
Write letters and call... it might personalize what one feels when signing the petition.
 

_caleb

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Seriously though? What is "Hurtful" in the ride at all? Why is it just "Hurtful" now after 3 decades of operation with literally no complaints until the past month?
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. People are saying (and have been saying) that the association of the ride to the film is hurtful. When I hear people say that, I want to ask them why they find it hurtful rather than insist that it’s not just because it wasn’t hurtful to me.

It’s not true that there were ”literally no complaints until the past month.” It might be true that you never heard any complaints until the past month.

Several people here have articulated what they find hurtful about the ride’s connection to the film. When they say these things, I find that I can either shout them down or listen.
 

_caleb

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Yes, but if this project doesn’t trigger a Level 3 renovation where everything must be brought up to code then it is a very cheap, small scale overlay.
That’s what I thought. And what concerns me.

Not really. The film was theatrically re-released in 1986. Disney was apparently naming the movie online until very recently.
1986 was more than 30 years ago, right? And the film wasn’t widely released on DVD, was it? They routinely issue copyright claims on Song of the South segments on YouTube in an effort to keep it from public view. They made extensive changes to the story of the film to the story of the ride in an attempt to distinguish one from the other. Seems like distancing to me.
 

wdwmagic

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In the absence of many specific details on the project and due to its polarizing nature, this original thread is mostly a political/social debate, which is best served in the Politics/Social section of the forum. In its original location in News & Rumors it became impossible to moderate within the no-political discussion rule that we have in place (see Terms and rules).

The new thread will serve as the ongoing thread for discussion of the attraction retheme. ANY political/social commentary will be deleted and the poster will be banned from taking any further part.

 

seabreezept813

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So when we lose three caballeros, will we lose Donald by association.. that seems to be how far we’re willing to make connections

and to be honest we love PATF in my house, always have.. but what I’m equally frustrated is that Disney won’t invest to give this film it’s own appropriate ride. It’s like giving someone a used toy instead of a new one. It’s just half-hearted, which is what I imagine this whole redo will be.. with so many animatronics and beautiful songs gone...
 

John park hopper

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Almost worse? It is worse, because now you are taking actions that are clearly racist when you say, "lets remove this because it is offensive to blacks" but then you don't remove something that is offensive to American Indians, or that is offensive to Asians.... If you want to go down the road of erasing things that some people think are racially offensive then you have to do it completely or you are clearly being racist when you decide that one racial group isn't really offended or that the offense they feel isn't enough to pass the threshold.
Lets not stop there Epcot needs a cleansing --Japanese pavilion insult to all military veterans --Bataan death march, thousands of POW's killed in slave labor camps (starvation, disease, overwork). China and Germany we all know about that, Great Britain (colonial Empire), France as well colonialists. Point is there is not a nation or people on this planet who have a spotless record
 

Father Robinson

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They claim to have been working on this since last year but all they share is one mediocre concept art screenshot? How gullible do they think I am?
Very.
Exactly what I've been saying. Dry that one out you could fertilize your lawn!

And what pray tell was the reason for the secrecy? How long were we aware that a replacement for Illuminations was coming? I'll tell you..over a decade. With how easy it is to share information nowadays, I don't buy for a second that this was some big hush hush event that they couldn't let slip out...until of course they had a drawing to prove it.
 
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disneygeek90

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If all these people that claim to have all these deep seeded issues with the ride's (association) with racism, why have they gone to WDW and ridden it and spent hard earned $ on a company that supposedly hides racism in their rides? And assuming that by now they've already been made aware of the ride's connection with the controversial film.
The same reason that many that disagree strongly with JK Rowling and her recent comments regarding gender/sex still enjoy the Harry Potter franchise. Humans aren’t perfect and it’s easy to dissociate with things you don’t like in order to protect the things you do.
 

Chi84

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If all these people that claim to have all these deep seeded issues with the ride's (association) with racism, why have they gone to WDW and ridden it and spent hard earned $ on a company that supposedly hides racism in their rides? And assuming that by now they've already been made aware of the ride's connection with the controversial film.
Disney rises to the occasion better than most companies, which is what we're seeing here. I don't think this decision was made based on a petition, nor do I think petitions will stop the company from going through with what they see as the right thing.

People who go to Disney do so because that's the type of vacation experience they love. No single attraction (unless it's a new attraction with a fan base, which is a good thing for Disney) is going to impact that decision and Disney well knows it. You can write and call all you want, but the bottom line is that except for an insignificant few, no one is going to forgo a Disney vacation simply because they re-themed a ride. Most won't know or care about what happens or bother to ask why. I'm not talking about the people who care enough to post on this thread, but we are a very, very small number of the guests who visit WDW. Disney absolutely does care about its image - but the image it is seeking to project is not necessarily the image some people here want to see. Disney is choosing to align with people who want to see a different image, one not rooted in the past.

For the record, I doubt anyone had deep-seated issues with the ride's theme. That is no reason to keep it forever.
 

Father Robinson

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Disney rises to the occasion better than most companies, which is what we're seeing here. I don't think this decision was made based on a petition, nor do I think petitions will stop the company from going through with what they see as the right thing.

People who go to Disney do so because that's the type of vacation experience they love. No single attraction (unless it's a new attraction with a fan base, which is a good thing for Disney) is going to impact that decision and Disney well knows it. You can write and call all you want, but the bottom line is that except for an insignificant few, no one is going to forgo a Disney vacation simply because they re-themed a ride. Most won't know or care about what happens or bother to ask why. I'm not talking about the people who care enough to post on this thread, but we are a very, very small number of the guests who visit WDW. Disney absolutely does care about its image - but the image it is seeking to project is not necessarily the image some people here want to see. Disney is choosing to align with people who want to see a different image, one not rooted in the past.

For the record, I doubt anyone had deep-seated issues with the ride's theme. That is no reason to keep it forever.
This is all well and good and I agree, however that is not what I was asking at all.
 
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