MickeyMouse10
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It only makes sense if they are making New Orleans Square in Magic Kingdom. There's plenty of space to the left of the park, on the other side of the tracks.
If you want to argue that Cinderella's Castle is contributing to an ongoing problem with ...feudalism... you're going to need some strong ammunition.I'm offended by Cinderella Castle. It represents the feminine need for a masculine savior, and supports the superiority of a ruling class over the masses.
Can we burn Cinderella Castle to the ground now?
Pretty much what the MK takes in before 3pm.You keep saying that Disney is caving to a small group of complainers. What makes you think it’s a small group?
The problem with this defence is that it flies in the face of the claim that the attraction has no real connection to Song of the South. For us to be able to learn from the past through Splash Mountain would entail acknowledging the problematic nature of its source material. And I’m not convinced that this sort of historical reflection is something that a theme park can convincingly facilitate.
Correct-amundo!I would think if Splash Mountain was routinely exhibiting very very low wait times - a practical walk-on, I could then concur a larger group would be driving this initiative.
But that's not the case.
Feudalism existed until 2008 in Europe. More to the point, a little boy or girl born today in the UK will never have a chance to rise to become their nation's Head of State. Imagine that! Imagine telling a precocious, intelligent, curious little boy or girl that they can do anything they want in life... except rise to become the Head of State of their beloved nation. They're legally ineligible to rise to that position. Might put a damper on their dreams...If you want to argue that Cinderella's Castle is contributing to an ongoing problem with ...feudalism... you're going to need some strong ammunition.
Right, and that always happens but it’s part of a process that results in a budget being established and commitment to a project. This project is getting its commitment before a lot of that work. Disney has even admitted that they have not even assessed the condition of the buildings. The cost to clean and bring up to code buildings that have spent 30 years filled with water is going to be high and could easily not be worthwhile compared to starting anew (and is a serious risk to the final product once the budget is established).Almost always easier to shoot for the moon and scale a project cost back than the opposite. I know fans see it as a bait and switch but thats just how the game is played sometimes.
Sorry- I somehow missed these questions earlier. I think they're good ones.I appreciate your points, please allow me to make a sub-point.
Splash Mountain isn't hurting anyone, it's association with a film is what is upsetting. We can already see how this is a much murkier territory than people who physically are unable to go on a ride. For example, you say this leads to a better experience for all, but I fail to see how that is the case. A group of people (at least equal to the ones that are offended) are saying this will drastically decrease their experience with a beloved ride.
Now, it is a completely subjective value, but how many people need to be offended before it demands action? That cant be answered, hence debate.
This also brings up other difficult questions. Can good art come from bad art? Is it better to build something new and keep it next to the old, or must one be torn down? This doesn't even approach questions such as Disney's legitimacy in their anti-racism statements when they continue to do flagrantly racist things in other countries, as long as it brings them more money. Hypocrisy deeply upsets some people.
I appreciate your perspective, thank you for reading my own.
Speedy71 was responding to my initial generalized statement as follows -
Many things in life are connected to things that are unpleasant in our past; it is whether or not one chooses to inherently - and perpetually - dwell on the unpleasant so much so that we will be stuck in a constant cancel culture.
So you think that Disney's decision is in response only the 21,383 who signed this petition?Pretty much what the MK takes in before 3pm.View attachment 479562
You know what I mean. In typical knee jerk fashion they are reacting to the usual overreacting by the same few.Has anyone claimed that the ride is a “terrible scourge on humanity?”
TRFKASMI hope we can keep the name, or keep ‘Mountain’ in the title. The names Disney have recently used for attractions are long, cumbersome, and annoying. Lol
Yup!So you think that Disney's decision is in response only the 21,383 who signed this petition?
Lol more like "I'm taking things in perspective" ground.“Look at me, I’m taking the moral high ground”.
IF Disney can make a version of Splash Mountain that is less offensive to the offended portion of the market while being just as good as (or better) the experience for those who were not offended by Splash Mountain, wouldn't this be "a better experience for all?"
Right. We all have to decide what we'll support and stand for.I can choose not to support something (racism) while concurrently enjoying something else (a MK ride) on its solitary merits.
Many things in life are connected to things that are unpleasant in our past; it is whether or not one chooses to inherently - and perpetually - dwell on the unpleasant so much so that we will be stuck in a constant cancel culture.
But I can respect your opinion.
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