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Pixiedustmaker

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I'm not hating on Thor. I never saw the first and doubt I'll see the second.

I'm just using it as an example that there are way too many superhero films out and Marvel is flooding the market, so it stands to reason that they are gonna run into a dud sooner or later. They are no Pixar.

??? Why not see Thor? It's on Netflix, cable . . . I guess if somebody wanted to avoid seeing it they could. Thor was a good fish out of water tale, not as cheesy as the trailer would have you believe.

The whole deal with Avengers is that there is a super hero club, they kinda needed to do background/origin movies for a good chunk of the characters.
 

WDW1974

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Nah, Lone Ranger wasn't positioned to fail ... just me in my tin foil hat (same one I wore when I talked about the government spying on us too! Tricked it out with Mouse bitz!)

Look at THR piece talking about Depp and Bruckheimer taking hits. Yeah, because this was a hit, a perfectly orchestrated Hollywood one:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/07/07/despicable-me-lone-ranger-box-office/2496691/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324867904578591893601731874.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disneys-lone-ranger-could-lead-581503

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...e-ranger-despicable-me-20130707,0,30028.story
 

Taylor

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Saw Lone Ranger over the weekend at a drive in thought it was a really good movie. I'd rate it as a B+
 

WDW1974

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Just got an interesting note from a west coast friend, who has been amused by the bantering here and watching what is going on out there and he wants people to realize there's also a strategic reason for Disney wanting this pic to fail. They don't own the IP. That costs money. ... Iger would much rather showcase Iron Man 3 or Monsters U or Thor 2 or Frozen because Disney owns that IP. He also wants the kudos and accolades when the films of companies he acquired make oodles of money. And Disney will be fine either way.

I'm just disgusted by it all. They gutted this fine film like Butch Cavendish does some digging in Dan Reid's chest cavity. And, yeah, it seems that just like John Carter (or any of the animated failures a decade ago that were screwed with until they lost all sense of what they were and no one bought tickets) this seems like an inside job.

Oh, did I mention that two folks I greatly respect told me tonight that Horn and Staggs have both been public in saying they're looking at all options since Iger decided to stay on an extra year. I hate burying the big stuff at 1:30 a.m., but I am getting older and I was just having a fun with mugons discussion.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Just got an interesting note from a west coast friend, who has been amused by the bantering here and watching what is going on out there and he wants people to realize there's also a strategic reason for Disney wanting this pic to fail. They don't own the IP. That costs money. ... Iger would much rather showcase Iron Man 3 or Monsters U or Thor 2 or Frozen because Disney owns that IP. He also wants the kudos and accolades when the films of companies he acquired make oodles of money. And Disney will be fine either way.

I'm just disgusted by it all. They gutted this fine film like Butch Cavendish does some digging in Dan Reid's chest cavity. And, yeah, it seems that just like John Carter (or any of the animated failures a decade ago that were screwed with until they lost all sense of what they were and no one bought tickets) this seems like an inside job.

Oh, did I mention that two folks I greatly respect told me tonight that Horn and Staggs have both been public in saying they're looking at all options since Iger decided to stay on an extra year. I hate burying the big stuff at 1:30 a.m., but I am getting older and I was just having a fun with mugons discussion.

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TP2000

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If you're looking for a place that is 'hip', then let me advance the idea that Orlando isn't the kind of town you should be visiting!:)

Oh, I know. But two years ago I thought, "maybe there's a cool boutique hotel I don't know about in Orlando". I looked online for 20 minutes and... there was nothing.

I really wasn't expecting a Portlandia Hipster Haven in Orlando (and anyone who isn't watching Portlandia on IFC really should, but it helps if you've been in those painfully hip cities like Portland to get all the jokes). But I thought maybe there was something. I may research Winter Haven again, after visiting there a few times circa 2000 when my cousin and her husband lived there. But what I remember about Winter Haven is being totally Out-WASPed by the predictable locals, and I'm a pretty WASPy guy so that's hard to do.

Or, I may just throw in the towel and stay at a Universal Orlando Loews hotel on the next WDW visit. Heresy!
 

Rodan75

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Oh, did I mention that two folks I greatly respect told me tonight that Horn and Staggs have both been public in saying they're looking at all options since Iger decided to stay on an extra year. I hate burying the big stuff at 1:30 a.m., but I am getting older and I was just having a fun with mugons discussion.

Horn had a shot, I thought his Disney stint was just a victory lap? That seems a little odd considering his age (not to be ageist, but isn't he over 70 and Dis doesn't have a rep for embracing that age). Shouldn't the Iger heir be fairly apparent by now to avoid the chaos over at WB?
 

TP2000

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And to the Grand Bohemian, I don't think you really see any signs of the Marriott brand anywhere in the hotel. All I can recall seeing is Kessler Collection. Marriott just lends its name/booking access to its autograph collection hotels and take a share of the rate. They do not actually run the hotels.

Actually, Marriott does run those hotels, including the Grand Bohemian. I know that, because I get Mariott Rewards points when staying at those hotels. Autograph Collection is one of the 14 divisions of Marriott International, and no different than Courtyard, Springhill Suites, Residence Inn, JWMarriott, Renaissance Hotels, etc., etc. as members of the big Marriott corporate family.

But it's an easy thing to fall for, as it's one of those games the big hotel companies play. :)

They know their flagship Marriott brand isn't a top-tier brand, so they have to create new brands to cater to different demographics who would be turned off by staying at a Marriott. Their Autograph Collection is their attempt at "stylish upscale" lodging.

Starwood Co. does the same thing with their Luxury Collection hotels. Interestingly, Hilton bucks the trend and doesn't have a faux that's-not-us secret hotel division. The nearest thing for Hilton is their rather fabulous Conrad Hotels in major world capitals, but there they are elevating the brand to their founder Conrad Hilton and not trying to hide the fact that the places are run by the Hilton corporate office.
 

TP2000

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The whole "I want to Orlando and it wasn't New York City" thing gets old and seems a bit arrogant and ignorant to me.

Oh gosh, I don't want New York City, there's only one of those on the planet and it's in New York. I want Portland, Oregon but like Orlando. I want Palm Springs, but like Orlando. I want Seattle, Washington, but like Orlando. In short, I want funky and cool local culture, menus culled daily from the local farmers market and based on traditional local specialties, and old historic buildings oozing with charm and Politically Incorrect backstory but with hipster attractive people inhabiting them and creating new backstories.

In short, I was looking for a hip boutique hotel in Orlando, with a fun restaurant or bar attached. And I couldn't find one. That's all.

And my point is... that's kind of odd considering the tens of millions of people who visit Orlando yearly. But perhaps the Corporate Chain Vacation crowd really is the driving force there. Still, I thought maybe there was a little niche market for Portlandia style lodging that I didn't know about. Guess not.

It's okay though, because the Polynesian is getting old enough and weird enough to be hipster without trying. :D
 

pheneix

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Oh gosh, I don't want New York City, there's only one of those on the planet and it's in New York. I want Portland, Oregon but like Orlando. I want Palm Springs, but like Orlando. I want Seattle, Washington, but like Orlando. In short, I want funky and cool local culture, menus culled daily from the local farmers market and based on traditional local specialties, and old historic buildings oozing with charm and Politically Incorrect backstory but with hipster attractive people inhabiting them and creating new backstories.

In short, I was looking for a hip boutique hotel in Orlando, with a fun restaurant or bar attached. And I couldn't find one. That's all.

And my point is... that's kind of odd considering the tens of millions of people who visit Orlando yearly. But perhaps the Corporate Chain Vacation crowd really is the driving force there. Still, I thought maybe there was a little niche market for Portlandia style lodging that I didn't know about. Guess not.

It's okay though, because the Polynesian is getting old enough and weird enough to be hipster without trying. :D

Dude, I'm a seasonal resident of Amsterdam who goes into total depression upon return to Orlando. The lack of homegrown culture here is notable and the people that live here make that lack of pride known every single day.

Orlando is a great place to visit. Also fantastic for attending university and pursuing internships and opportunities whilst in school or shortly after graduating. But as a city in which to live long term, it is absolutely horrible. One of the worst cities in the world to call home. I would not recommend living here even to the most hardcore of theme park fans. Just use Priceline and take more vacations.
 

SirLink

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Just got an interesting note from a west coast friend, who has been amused by the bantering here and watching what is going on out there and he wants people to realize there's also a strategic reason for Disney wanting this pic to fail. They don't own the IP. That costs money. ... Iger would much rather showcase Iron Man 3 or Monsters U or Thor 2 or Frozen because Disney owns that IP. He also wants the kudos and accolades when the films of companies he acquired make oodles of money. And Disney will be fine either way.

I'm just disgusted by it all. They gutted this fine film like Butch Cavendish does some digging in Dan Reid's chest cavity. And, yeah, it seems that just like John Carter (or any of the animated failures a decade ago that were screwed with until they lost all sense of what they were and no one bought tickets) this seems like an inside job.

Oh, did I mention that two folks I greatly respect told me tonight that Horn and Staggs have both been public in saying they're looking at all options since Iger decided to stay on an extra year. I hate burying the big stuff at 1:30 a.m., but I am getting older and I was just having a fun with mugons discussion.

1)So they really did take the Werewolves out of Lone Ranger? Like how Eisner didn't want guns in Treasure Planet and made the film less interesting.

2)Also why is the board allowing Iger to stay around longer when they should be doing a MS and forcing a head of one of their divisions out of the company for making their company sound stupid and out of touch.
 

articos

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Oh gosh, I don't want New York City, there's only one of those on the planet and it's in New York. I want Portland, Oregon but like Orlando. I want Palm Springs, but like Orlando. I want Seattle, Washington, but like Orlando. In short, I want funky and cool local culture, menus culled daily from the local farmers market and based on traditional local specialties, and old historic buildings oozing with charm and Politically Incorrect backstory but with hipster attractive people inhabiting them and creating new backstories.

In short, I was looking for a hip boutique hotel in Orlando, with a fun restaurant or bar attached. And I couldn't find one. That's all.

And my point is... that's kind of odd considering the tens of millions of people who visit Orlando yearly. But perhaps the Corporate Chain Vacation crowd really is the driving force there. Still, I thought maybe there was a little niche market for Portlandia style lodging that I didn't know about. Guess not.

It's okay though, because the Polynesian is getting old enough and weird enough to be hipster without trying. :D
Can't say there's a ton, but there are two options that fit the bill for me. I love Kessler's Grand Bohemian, which is probably the best (and only) example of what you're looking for in Orlando. Yes, it's a Marriott (formerly a Westin), but it's only flagged that way, and as soon as you walk in, it doesn't look or feel like a corporate chain in any way. The property itself is owned by Kessler, and he considers this one of his flagship Boutiques. His personal art collection is scattered throughout, as is a one-of-a-kind Bosendorfer piano in the lounge - sometimes the bar is fun, but if it's dead, just walk outside and find a place downtown. Good-to-great service, comfortable luxurious rooms and a great location for exploring downtown, which has a multitude of hip-ish (for Orlando) local spots to explore. Right downtown: Pine 22, Harp & Celt, Hue and a ton of others...then walk over to Thornton Park by way of Lake Eola and check out Dexter's and Graffiti Junktion...Also The Ravenous Pig in Winter Park and a whole bunch of places on Park Avenue, which is one of my favorite walking streets. Baldwin Park is a new neighborhood that's a reuse of the old Naval Base property and is filling in with some great neighborhood trendy places. It's not NYC or Portland, but for Central FL, it's getting there. My other hotel choice for a fun place to stay is Hard Rock at Universal. Feels boutique-y, fun lounge, and right off of CityWalk and the parks. I know Kimpton has been looking around in Orlando, so if they eventually bite, there will be another good trendy place to stay. I don't think it's Ace territory - still a little too down-south for Ace, but Bohemian's a nice start. And...there's always the Poly. ;)
 

TP2000

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Dude, I'm a seasonal resident of Amsterdam who goes into total depression upon return to Orlando. The lack of homegrown culture here is notable and the people that live here make that lack of pride known every single day.

Orlando is a great place to visit. Also fantastic for attending university and pursuing internships and opportunities whilst in school or shortly after graduating. But as a city in which to live long term, it is absolutely horrible. One of the worst cities in the world to call home. I would not recommend living here even to the most hardcore of theme park fans. Just use Priceline and take more vacations.

Interesting. As I recall, my cousin wasn't sad to move away after living for a few years in Winter Haven for work. She and her husband are in Seattle now, working for Amazon and Microsoft respectively, and loving the Northwest in general and Seattle in particular.

I have only been to the Netherlands once (for Floriade '92), but I can imagine that going from Amsterdam to Orlando is quite a culture shock. Or, in this case, a non-culture shock? ;)
 

TP2000

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Baldwin Park is a new neighborhood that's a reuse of the old Naval Base property and is filling in with some great neighborhood trendy places. It's not NYC or Portland, but for Central FL, it's getting there.... And...there's always the Poly. ;)

Thank you! That's all very helpful info. Sounds like things are stirring a bit.

Funny thing, if they can get Portland to be, well, Portland over the course of the last 20 years, the same thing could happen for Orlando. Same could be said about what happened to Austin, or Palm Springs, or closer to Florida and perhaps a little more attainable for the condition Orlando is currently in... Charleston, South Carolina.

I don't think we can expect Orlando to become the Portland of the 2020's, but there's just got to be some local hipster culture that could be offered to the world there. Or at the very least show up in my Google or Tablet Hotels search when I hunt around for a cool boutique hotel. :D
 

pheneix

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Can't say there's a ton, but there are two options that fit the bill for me. I love Kessler's Grand Bohemian, which is probably the best (and only) example of what you're looking for in Orlando. Yes, it's a Marriott (formerly a Westin), but it's only flagged that way, and as soon as you walk in, it doesn't look or feel like a corporate chain in any way. The property itself is owned by Kessler, and he considers this one of his flagship Boutiques. His personal art collection is scattered throughout, as is a one-of-a-kind Bosendorfer piano in the lounge - sometimes the bar is fun, but if it's dead, just walk outside and find a place downtown. Good-to-great service, comfortable luxurious rooms and a great location for exploring downtown, which has a multitude of hip-ish (for Orlando) local spots to explore. Right downtown: Pine 22, Harp & Celt, Hue and a ton of others...then walk over to Thornton Park by way of Lake Eola and check out Dexter's and Graffiti Junktion...Also The Ravenous Pig in Winter Park and a whole bunch of places on Park Avenue, which is one of my favorite walking streets. Baldwin Park is a new neighborhood that's a reuse of the old Naval Base property and is filling in with some great neighborhood trendy places. It's not NYC or Portland, but for Central FL, it's getting there. My other hotel choice for a fun place to stay is Hard Rock at Universal. Feels boutique-y, fun lounge, and right off of CityWalk and the parks. I know Kimpton has been looking around in Orlando, so if they eventually bite, there will be another good trendy place to stay. I don't think it's Ace territory - still a little too down-south for Ace, but Bohemian's a nice start. And...there's always the Poly. ;)

Wow that is a serious hit list of establishments I've basically forgotten about because its too far of a drive from Windermere. I need to get to downtown more often.
 
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