Sue_Vongello
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Lou Mongello bashing Disney and praising Uni? Oh wait, this is Sue Vongello, the person who lives in the real world..
Remember, Sue Vongello is the bizarro world's Lou ... Hello!
Lou Mongello bashing Disney and praising Uni? Oh wait, this is Sue Vongello, the person who lives in the real world..
No one's saying he has to believe it - even though he's ignoring the evidence that's there (that is, that the proposals exist).
However, he has done nothing but attempt to derail this thread and prevent actual, meaningful discussion on a set of expansion proposals that might (or might not) happen. Given the credibility of those who initially shared the in-talks plans, the possibility of these expansions coming to fruition is certainly worth discussing. Instead, we get one guy constantly shouting "the rumors are bogus and here's why my armchair imagineering ideas are better" for 10+ pages instead of actually talking about the potential pros and cons of a Star Wars Land/Cars Land.
And I'm not saying someone can't discuss why (s)he thinks this expansion won't happen. There are certainly lines of reasoning that would lead one to reach that conclusion, and they're worth acknowledging. But Pixie refuses to even acknowledge that the plans are "real," which just creates a huge roadblock to actually having a productive discussion.
I repeat my earlier question - what does Pixie have to gain from trying to convince us these rumors are bogus? You've made your opinion clear. If this doesn't end up panning out, you'll be vindicated. (This doesn't mean that the plans never existed, by the way, it just means they ended up not being approved). Why are you still here? Just leave the thread and let people have their discussion (including the few who haven't clicked the "ignore" button yet.)
Lou is stuck in the matrixLou Mongello bashing Disney and praising Uni? Oh wait, this is Sue Vongello, the person who lives in the real world..
Lou is stuck in the matrix
Don't know about you but the first one was great. The sequels, not so much.Lou sucks as much as The Matrix movies did... Just not sure he is stuck in a matrix... I think he snorts too must pixie powder... Tink is his supplier.. Mickey is his pimp...
Don't know about you but the first one was great. The sequels, not so much.
You're not missing out on the sequels, they suck (though the second has it's moments). Back to DHS.Don't want to start debating The Matrix movies, but I fell asleep on the first one (only one other movie ever put me to sleep, Super Troopers) and refused to see the sequels...
With all this Star Wars talk, I think I need to go watch the Harry Potter movies...
Yeah it's gotten a little Cu Cu for Cocoa Puffs on hereOk, so again you leave a discussion for a while beacuse you do have a life and you come back to ... well ... I don't even know what to call it.
I have 15 pages (at least to catch up) and I'm not sure I'll have enough time, but I did want to take issue with the concept that anyone here would deliberately put out false information in some fanboi-juiced attempt to force Disney's hand. It's absurd, ignorant and nuts.
That doesn't mean you can't get your voice heard and read by some awful high level folks at Disney (and UNI and other companies) by posting here. I know for a FACT that you can. And you can help bring about change by what you post. But no one here -- that I respect (whether we agree or not about most things) -- would ever suggest that any discussion on what Disney should or shouldn't do with a makeover that will cost somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion will be able to sway anyone's minds as to what should or shouldn't be included or how it should happen.
I personally do take great insult at the notion that anyone would think myself or @Lee or @pheneix or @articos etc. etc. would simply make things up or place them out here without vetting them thoroughly. That isn't how you build up real world cred. That isn't how you get taken seriously. It's profoundly ignorant to think we (or Robert Niles for that matter) would ever put something out just to stir things up when we know it isn't true.
I can't guarantee what Disney can do. I think only Iger, Staggs and Rasulo can. ... But I can guarantee that my information is double and triple sourced and takes into account bias and real world conditions. ... Then, I place it out and wait to see what happens.
Didn't this site quickly delete that FLE blueprint thread?
And the thread with the leaked Avatar plans too!
If somebody were to leak the blueprint for the planned Millennium Falcon walkthrough, would it be removed?
Ok, so again you leave a discussion for a while beacuse you do have a life and you come back to ... well ... I don't even know what to call it.
I have 15 pages (at least to catch up) and I'm not sure I'll have enough time, but I did want to take issue with the concept that anyone here would deliberately put out false information in some fanboi-juiced attempt to force Disney's hand. It's absurd, ignorant and nuts.
That doesn't mean you can't get your voice heard and read by some awful high level folks at Disney (and UNI and other companies) by posting here. I know for a FACT that you can. And you can help bring about change by what you post. But no one here -- that I respect (whether we agree or not about most things) -- would ever suggest that any discussion on what Disney should or shouldn't do with a makeover that will cost somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion will be able to sway anyone's minds as to what should or shouldn't be included or how it should happen.
I personally do take great insult at the notion that anyone would think myself or @Lee or @pheneix or @articos etc. etc. would simply make things up or place them out here without vetting them thoroughly. That isn't how you build up real world cred. That isn't how you get taken seriously. It's profoundly ignorant to think we (or Robert Niles for that matter) would ever put something out just to stir things up when we know it isn't true.
I can't guarantee what Disney can do. I think only Iger, Staggs and Rasulo can. ... But I can guarantee that my information is double and triple sourced and takes into account bias and real world conditions. ... Then, I place it out and wait to see what happens.
Ok, so again you leave a discussion for a while beacuse you do have a life and you come back to ... well ... I don't even know what to call it.
I have 15 pages (at least to catch up) and I'm not sure I'll have enough time, but I did want to take issue with the concept that anyone here would deliberately put out false information in some fanboi-juiced attempt to force Disney's hand. It's absurd, ignorant and nuts.
That doesn't mean you can't get your voice heard and read by some awful high level folks at Disney (and UNI and other companies) by posting here. I know for a FACT that you can. And you can help bring about change by what you post. But no one here -- that I respect (whether we agree or not about most things) -- would ever suggest that any discussion on what Disney should or shouldn't do with a makeover that will cost somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion will be able to sway anyone's minds as to what should or shouldn't be included or how it should happen.
I personally do take great insult at the notion that anyone would think myself or @Lee or @pheneix or @articos etc. etc. would simply make things up or place them out here without vetting them thoroughly. That isn't how you build up real world cred. That isn't how you get taken seriously. It's profoundly ignorant to think we (or Robert Niles for that matter) would ever put something out just to stir things up when we know it isn't true.
I can't guarantee what Disney can do. I think only Iger, Staggs and Rasulo can. ... But I can guarantee that my information is double and triple sourced and takes into account bias and real world conditions. ... Then, I place it out and wait to see what happens.
The vast majority of us greatly appreciate you guys for sharing your info with us.. Thanks.Ok, so again you leave a discussion for a while beacuse you do have a life and you come back to ... well ... I don't even know what to call it.
I have 15 pages (at least to catch up) and I'm not sure I'll have enough time, but I did want to take issue with the concept that anyone here would deliberately put out false information in some fanboi-juiced attempt to force Disney's hand. It's absurd, ignorant and nuts.
That doesn't mean you can't get your voice heard and read by some awful high level folks at Disney (and UNI and other companies) by posting here. I know for a FACT that you can. And you can help bring about change by what you post. But no one here -- that I respect (whether we agree or not about most things) -- would ever suggest that any discussion on what Disney should or shouldn't do with a makeover that will cost somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion will be able to sway anyone's minds as to what should or shouldn't be included or how it should happen.
I personally do take great insult at the notion that anyone would think myself or @Lee or @pheneix or @articos etc. etc. would simply make things up or place them out here without vetting them thoroughly. That isn't how you build up real world cred. That isn't how you get taken seriously. It's profoundly ignorant to think we (or Robert Niles for that matter) would ever put something out just to stir things up when we know it isn't true.
I can't guarantee what Disney can do. I think only Iger, Staggs and Rasulo can. ... But I can guarantee that my information is double and triple sourced and takes into account bias and real world conditions. ... Then, I place it out and wait to see what happens.
I understand.No one's saying he has to believe it - even though he's ignoring the evidence that's there (that is, that the proposals exist).
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So DHS refurb wouldn't be announced at D23?
Will the hat removal be around the same time or will that be sooner.Oops, and so afraid I'll lose what I post that I forgot an important point namely that this makeover will be handled very much like DCA's was. It will be spread over 4-5 years and not finished before 2018.
I am guessing the big construction years will be 2015 onward, but that is an educated guess ...no more, no less.
And as to where the Fantasmic update stands with this, the answer is I don't have a clue ...yet.
Even better since I was calculating it in Canadian dollars. You'd save a whole 2.50USD right now.
I'll let you know how it is in a few weeks from now.
I know this is a complete side conversation, but where does TDL/TDS fit into all of this? I assume we won't hear much from them as they have their own D23 later on, but they must not be having a field day if WDW is actually receiving multiple additions...
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