Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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WDW1974

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I like to read 74's stuff at least 80% of the time, but there are a lot of intelligent, insightful people that post on this board besides him. That kind of dedication is scary!

Hey, stop picking on Neo because he has good taste . ... and I am glad you enjoy reading my stuff 80% of the time. That's a fine average ... and let's not forget there are angry ex-WDIers like @Lee here spewing hate too! they deserve a shout out.
 
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WDW1974

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So, here's a few thoughts, as promised, on the Magic Bands, FP+, refillable mugs, etc.

We finally made it home, good travels, but a long trip, especially after a lackluster but busy week.

I can reiterate, that in the future, I'm far less likely to return to WDW if the rule of the day is Magic Bands, Fast Pass Plus (with no regular FP system), and the continued decline in foodservice offerings (including the new 'rapid fill' program). The only good use I found for the MB was when swimming at the resort, we didn't have to worry about bringing the room key with us.

My individual Magic Band had a very tiny RFID chip, that was NOT located in the area of the Mickey head. How would I know? Well, after a week of trying to get the damned thing to activate the Mickey heads, or the security resort gate, or the laundry room door, you learn how to work it. Many times, especially at the resort, I had to take it off, and forcefully hold it up against whatever sensor I was trying to get it to activate. Not the case at the parks for entry or for FP+ use, as those went more smoothly. Definitely the most awkward part of the band is trying to use it to buy things (for the record, mine NEVER worked for room charging). Trying to rotate your wrist, or get the band positioned just perfectly, is nothing more than a ridiculous hassle. Took out the RFID KTTW card, and had NO issue whatsoever. Didn't have to even touch the readers in many instances...which leads me to feel that the bands are a step backwards, not forwards.

Not in all, but in many, CM encounters, it was clear that there has been a serious lack of training, and some of these folks hated the band as much as I did. They simply can't do their jobs as well. It adds unnecessary time to transactions at registers, whether food or merchandise. My band did finally (after getting some help at the resort) for the dining plan. However, since it wouldn't work for room charging, I couldn't use it to tip the servers. After a couple of days, I learned to tell them up front that they should know that they would need my KTTW card, and to not even try to use that with the handheld scanner (yep, even my KTTW card wouldn't work for charging anything unless it was swiped at the register...you know, the way they've done it for years?).

CMs seem very frustrated and overwhelmed, both from a system that is just not working properly, the ever-expanding test of them, and the lack of training. Asked a lot of pointed questions, and I was able to get some very candid responses along the way. I certainly won't give any specifics here, as I don't want anyone to have any repercussions, but one of the most interesting replies I got (and not that it's news to any of us), was when I struck up a conversation about the bands, and the CM discussed how they'd recently been through some basic training and were advised that the core of the system was so that they could gather data on guest patterns and behaviors. Or, at least that's what they got out of the training.

Oh-just thought of one neat, but creepy use we experienced...got an email with a 'special' FP+ for Be Our Guest for lunch. Took advantage of it, and bypassed the 1 to 1 1/2 hour line, went in, ordered our food, and did NOT get a rose to put on the table. 10 minutes or so later, our food rolled up to the table and we were served. Yep, they do know exactly where you are.

On to FastPass plus...a limit of three is crap. I felt ok with it, as the parks weren't super busy (but much busier than I thought they'd be), and I could use the legacy FP system. But, I can't see liking the limit of 3 at the MK. The other parks...well, there's not that much to do at them anyway. HS, for instance, it was really nice to be able to book TSMM ahead of time. We got to the park mid morning, and the FP for the day were gone already. Had also booked RNRC and Fantasmic, but the rain was so horrendous that we left and didn't go back that day. EPCOT FP+ was nice for TT and Soarin'...but here's the impact that we all knew would accompany the new system...there was a wait, almost all day, for Spaceship Earth in the Standby line. A wait for a people eater ride. During a less than busy time of year. Not just any wait...15 to 20 minutes almost all day. As the afternoon wore on, it quieted down, as everyone was riding Maelstrom (again, though, FP+ is artificially inflating the ride times there).

Enough on that for now...refillable mugs...well, we were at PORS, and I'm not sure if they changed the volume that's dispensed, but I could have overflowed all of our mugs. If they weren't free as part of the dining plan, there's no way I'd spend the money to buy them. But, to each their own. Asked a CM how they were being received (after watching an interaction with a guest that had a paper cup that had 'expired'), and said overall no big impact to them. There really wasn't a big problem with soda theft there, in their opinion. Values are a different story...said that's where all the money was being lost. Also, thought they might not get rolled out to all the Deluxe resorts.

And, one last tangent...I was really disappointed with the quality of the food everywhere this year. And, with the quality of service in several locations. Like many, I've seen the decline over the years, but this year it really just smacked me in the face, and it's so disappointing. Even the expensive character meals are, well, just not that good anymore.

I did complain (mostly about terrible housekeeping towards the end of our time there), and did get comped some, but even with that, as I explained to the 'mgmt' CM...I knew I was going to have a hard time coming home to friends (2 different families of 5), and tell them that they should still go to WDW.

Oh-and as for the 'increased' guest spending...it was such a hassle, that we just didn't buy any of the generic merchandise this time to speak of. Spent about 60% less than we usually do on property. Came home with a happier wallet.

So, @WDW1974 thanks for the warnings way back when...you were right. And, for @alissafalco and @Soarin' Over Pgh I apologize for the delay in getting my thoughts on here.

I am really sorry, Dave. You paid for better and deserved better. If you feel you deserve more money back, send me a PM. I seem to be good at getting MAGICal members some $$$ refunded when Disney doesn't deliver an acceptable experience let alone the one they crow about. (pretty soon, some execs will be getting new phone numbers ... but I'll get those too!)
 

WDW1974

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Dave,

Thanks for posting some of the fear I have had all along. I am still hoping for a good 2 weeks in the near future. I will post as promised all that befalls myself and my family members.

*1023*

Shoot me a note when you get a chance. I want to ask you something and I am fading fast now.
 

PhotoDave219

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I will be eating at Artist Point and Tusker House later this fall because free dining has finally flopped and I can get those places for 40% off with my CM pals.

I keep stating this, but folks do not seem to get how significant this desperation dining move really is for the bottom line of Food and Beverage.

I do.

I was talking with a friend in the know occupancy wise and their resort was running 35%-ish during the week and 95+ during the weekends.

Meaning the locals are coming out on the weekends and thats pretty much it.

However there was a stellar crowd for the Go Gos tonight.
 

Longhairbear

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I will be eating at Artist Point and Tusker House later this fall because free dining has finally flopped and I can get those places for 40% off with my CM pals.

I keep stating this, but folks do not seem to get how significant this desperation dining move really is for the bottom line of Food and Beverage.
I can't say anything about the DDP, except that it is probably the reason along with ADRs booked 7 years prior, as the reason we could never get into any of the restaurants we would walk up to. I read on a Yahoo group years ago complaining about DDP, and how the menus were changing for the worse to accommodate it.
One of our last meals at WDW was at Olivia's at Old Key West. The servers asked us to taste test 4 different dinner rolls, asking us which we liked the best. We both picked the same roll as the best much to the enjoyment of the servers. We had picked the bread Olivia's always had served. The others were being considered to replace the original to cut costs, we later learned. The staff knew a mistake in quality was being made, and probably reported our results with glee.
I cannot imagine how bad the food has gotten at WDW, as we haven't been back in 3 years, so I cannot comment on the current quality of the foods served. Are you saying free dining has flopped this season because no one is booking rooms to get it?
 

alissafalco

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Nothing against bloggers. I think writing is a worthwhile pursuit.

Being a Disney Lifestyler is another matter entirely. BTW, did y'all miss the Star wars themed bash that the DPB apparently had over the weekend to celebrate four years of something that shouldn't even exist in its current form? I think they only invited Mommy Blogging types to that one, so none of the usual O-Town characters.

That's funny because I saw this in my news feed on Facebook (note the headline on the bottom left & star wars sign in the background)
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Longhairbear

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We have friends that came back last night to California after a 7 day stay at the Poly. I don't think they used the MB, or FP Plus, as he posted no pictures of the bands on Facebook. I am dying to hear about his vacation, and without prompting, want to hear if everything was magical, or not.
 

HMF

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I agree, but until the tourism starts falling off a bit and UNI starts clearly eating into WDW (days) profits, where real figures and numbers can no longer be hidden and manipulated, TDO is going to continue operating on their own island. That's what will change things, not us so much. :(
I am slowly but surely giving Disney less and less money and after my upcoming WDW Vacation, I will not be returning as long as the three stooges are in charge. That is the only way to change things. It is true that we can complain all we want here but since Disney seems to only care about the bottom line. I feel that hurting them financially is the only way to get their attention. I hate having to do it this way but they have given me no choice.
 

HMF

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Much of it has already bee done, yes.

Hell, I saw the test area of NBC two springs ago and assumed they were already working and close to completing renovations on the hotel. It is astounding that they haven't even started yet.

But I have heard , unconfirmed, troubling news that Dreams is about to be shelved until the Christmas version debuts due to money. And some firsthand reports from the beet fields seem troubling.

Also, make no mistake that this event was not scheduled months ago. It was thrown together. I think Disney needs to cut the resort loose as they are destroying a gem and have shown for two decades that they can't manage it for s--t. File bankruptcy, sell the resort and license it. Four fanbois could likely do a better job of running it.
Spirit, I have gone from basically fearing that concept to begging for it to happen. At this point I can just say sell the resort to someone who can run it competently and maybe when WDC can get it's act together they can buy it back but for now the current setup is not working.
 

Expo_Seeker40

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Spirited SHUTDOWN musings:


Oh, and I must say that I spent much of today with a VERY special fanboi, sadly ...we barely talked about Disney as again, there really is only so much beating a dead brony can take. I miss ya 'JB' and it was truly great to spend time with you!:):hungry::p:devilish::D:cool:


You still should have put the lunchbox in the boy's section of the store! A Brony would have...well...taken it...
 

ford91exploder

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So, here's a few thoughts, as promised, on the Magic Bands, FP+, refillable mugs, etc.

We finally made it home, good travels, but a long trip, especially after a lackluster but busy week.

I can reiterate, that in the future, I'm far less likely to return to WDW if the rule of the day is Magic Bands, Fast Pass Plus (with no regular FP system), and the continued decline in foodservice offerings (including the new 'rapid fill' program). The only good use I found for the MB was when swimming at the resort, we didn't have to worry about bringing the room key with us.

My individual Magic Band had a very tiny RFID chip, that was NOT located in the area of the Mickey head. How would I know? Well, after a week of trying to get the damned thing to activate the Mickey heads, or the security resort gate, or the laundry room door, you learn how to work it. Many times, especially at the resort, I had to take it off, and forcefully hold it up against whatever sensor I was trying to get it to activate. Not the case at the parks for entry or for FP+ use, as those went more smoothly. Definitely the most awkward part of the band is trying to use it to buy things (for the record, mine NEVER worked for room charging). Trying to rotate your wrist, or get the band positioned just perfectly, is nothing more than a ridiculous hassle. Took out the RFID KTTW card, and had NO issue whatsoever. Didn't have to even touch the readers in many instances...which leads me to feel that the bands are a step backwards, not forwards.

Not in all, but in many, CM encounters, it was clear that there has been a serious lack of training, and some of these folks hated the band as much as I did. They simply can't do their jobs as well. It adds unnecessary time to transactions at registers, whether food or merchandise. My band did finally (after getting some help at the resort) for the dining plan. However, since it wouldn't work for room charging, I couldn't use it to tip the servers. After a couple of days, I learned to tell them up front that they should know that they would need my KTTW card, and to not even try to use that with the handheld scanner (yep, even my KTTW card wouldn't work for charging anything unless it was swiped at the register...you know, the way they've done it for years?).

CMs seem very frustrated and overwhelmed, both from a system that is just not working properly, the ever-expanding test of them, and the lack of training. Asked a lot of pointed questions, and I was able to get some very candid responses along the way. I certainly won't give any specifics here, as I don't want anyone to have any repercussions, but one of the most interesting replies I got (and not that it's news to any of us), was when I struck up a conversation about the bands, and the CM discussed how they'd recently been through some basic training and were advised that the core of the system was so that they could gather data on guest patterns and behaviors. Or, at least that's what they got out of the training.

Oh-just thought of one neat, but creepy use we experienced...got an email with a 'special' FP+ for Be Our Guest for lunch. Took advantage of it, and bypassed the 1 to 1 1/2 hour line, went in, ordered our food, and did NOT get a rose to put on the table. 10 minutes or so later, our food rolled up to the table and we were served. Yep, they do know exactly where you are.

On to FastPass plus...a limit of three is crap. I felt ok with it, as the parks weren't super busy (but much busier than I thought they'd be), and I could use the legacy FP system. But, I can't see liking the limit of 3 at the MK. The other parks...well, there's not that much to do at them anyway. HS, for instance, it was really nice to be able to book TSMM ahead of time. We got to the park mid morning, and the FP for the day were gone already. Had also booked RNRC and Fantasmic, but the rain was so horrendous that we left and didn't go back that day. EPCOT FP+ was nice for TT and Soarin'...but here's the impact that we all knew would accompany the new system...there was a wait, almost all day, for Spaceship Earth in the Standby line. A wait for a people eater ride. During a less than busy time of year. Not just any wait...15 to 20 minutes almost all day. As the afternoon wore on, it quieted down, as everyone was riding Maelstrom (again, though, FP+ is artificially inflating the ride times there).

Enough on that for now...refillable mugs...well, we were at PORS, and I'm not sure if they changed the volume that's dispensed, but I could have overflowed all of our mugs. If they weren't free as part of the dining plan, there's no way I'd spend the money to buy them. But, to each their own. Asked a CM how they were being received (after watching an interaction with a guest that had a paper cup that had 'expired'), and said overall no big impact to them. There really wasn't a big problem with soda theft there, in their opinion. Values are a different story...said that's where all the money was being lost. Also, thought they might not get rolled out to all the Deluxe resorts.

And, one last tangent...I was really disappointed with the quality of the food everywhere this year. And, with the quality of service in several locations. Like many, I've seen the decline over the years, but this year it really just smacked me in the face, and it's so disappointing. Even the expensive character meals are, well, just not that good anymore.

I did complain (mostly about terrible housekeeping towards the end of our time there), and did get comped some, but even with that, as I explained to the 'mgmt' CM...I knew I was going to have a hard time coming home to friends (2 different families of 5), and tell them that they should still go to WDW.

Oh-and as for the 'increased' guest spending...it was such a hassle, that we just didn't buy any of the generic merchandise this time to speak of. Spent about 60% less than we usually do on property. Came home with a happier wallet.

So, @WDW1974 thanks for the warnings way back when...you were right. And, for @alissafalco and @Soarin' Over Pgh I apologize for the delay in getting my thoughts on here.

Thanks @DaveStuart for the Trip Report

I live in a small town and the local pharmacist went to WDW in September and had a very similar experience, one of the RapidFill stations was dispensing bad mixes (no syrup) and lots of angry customers because they could not get a drink and at POFQ not only was there a 2 minute delay between fills there was also a hard limit on number of refills each day and limit was about a dozen Unlimited Refills for small values of unlimited (to rephrase an ancient math joke) , Their Magic Bands worked intermittently if at all and KTTW card was necessary and room charge system was broken. And yes they spent less money on Disney stuff because the experience was simply too painful. That Family will NOT be back to WDW until the issues are fixed and they like myself have been going forever.

This is not an auspicious launch for a system which is intended to grab a greater share of the customer's wallet. From Daves report It looks like the only part of the system which actually works is the tracking
 
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