Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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willtravel

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The reason why your obesity(maybe not your personally of course) is other people's concern is simply we are paying for it. How much of my health insurance costs are being used towards obesity related illnesses. Depending on which studyies you listed to, anywhere from 40-150% higher costs in lifetime insurance billing based on obesity. That can be as much as $2800 a year average per person. That percentage is as much if not more than a smoker. In 2006 the dollar amount was an estimated 190 billion dollars a year. For someone like me, I would aprciate my health care insurance was lower and given a pay raise instead since my companys costs would be lower.
But you can say that with other diseases/illnesses. That arguement has been going on for a long time. To say that if everyone in the US was fit my insurance would go down, I do not believe. I am not saying it is correct to be obese either.
 

flynnibus

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Bingo! Next topic!

People without kids should be flogged any time they share their thoughts on parenting. Until you raise a child, you know nothing. Shut up.

Yes, and by agreeing to that, by extension lets ban everyone who's never ran a theme park or even a business from sharing their thoughts on how Disney is ran... ;)
 

ford91exploder

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Concerning strollers, I believe a large part of the problem is that Disney has changed its target market. It's gotten appreciably younger.

There once was a time when a Disney movie was fine for a 10 or 12 year old. Not anymore. Just imagine most 12 years olds watching Finding Nemo or Monsters U. Compare that to earlier decades when Disney brand movies included 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Escape To Witch Mountain, Something Wicked This Way Comes, The Love Bug, or even Mary Poppins. Disney aimed for an older crowd at a time when children were allowed to remain children longer.

I recall reading (not sure if it's true) that WDW originally was targeted more towards families with junior high children. Certainly, there was nothing childlike about EPCOT when it first opened in 1982. My recollection of WDW during the 1970s and 1980s is of a fairly small toddler crowd. It was mostly older children and their families. WDW then started targeting "adults only" in the late 1980s and 1990s. (DW and I spent our 1st Anniversary at WDW. :) ) It's only within the last 15 years or so that WDW started targeting a much younger crowd.

There are so many more strollers at WDW today in large part because WDW's visitors have gotten younger.

It's CHEAPER to target the toddler demographic which totally fits the TDO 'cheap-n-nasty' modus operendi, if you target a older demographic they already know what they like and dont like, they see the lack of maintenance - they may see it as ewww gross... but they see it.

For toddlers cheap meet-n-gropes are all thats needed for the 6-12 set you need honest to god attractions and TDO has totally lost the teen demographic. Culture of abandonment
 

lebeau

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Yes, and by agreeing to that, by extension lets ban everyone who's never ran a theme park or even a business from sharing their thoughts on how Disney is ran... ;)

Totally different things. If you have kids, you know that's not an apples to apples comparison. If you don't, let the floggings commence! :hilarious:

Kidding aside, We all have different backgrounds and experiences which allow us to make informed (to varying degrees) opinions about running a theme park. Plenty of folks make themselves look stupid by sharing uninformed opinion here.

But parenting is different from anything else. Even raising my own kids, I have to take very different approaches to parenting with each of them. Unless you are an expert of some kind, you couldn't possibly give me good parenting advice without getting to know my kids.

And yet, people without kids (people who know less about the subject than anyone else in the world) always seem to think they have the whole thing figured out. They've got all the answers and oh brother are they willing to share their collected wisdom. Usually it consists of doing the most obvious thing. The thing all new parents try first. The thing that never works.

They also get really put out when they are inconvenienced in any way by families. Because their world still revolves around them. (Yes, gross generalization, I know.) These are the people who rant for pages and pages about the evils of strollers at a place which is marketed aggressively to families with small children. :facepalm:
 

willtravel

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But the double rents for twice as much money...no way they are giving that profit up. I could see them trying to ban personal strollers and force people to rent the Disney ones. That wouldn't go over big but it would be profitable.
Yea, I love when the big strollers are being loaded onto WDW buses and I get hit in the leg shins by them.
 

Captain Neo

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If George attempts to get inside my bedroom tomorrow, then there is going to be some unhappy folks at TWDC when I have him arrested. He can keep his MAGICal letter ...and the red rose too.

but he just wanted to make sure you were tucked in nice and snug!
 

Goofyernmost

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Well since this tangent is about obesity that was the issue I was addressing. Yes smoking incurs high costs, driving fast and leading a dangerous lifestyle well let's not get into hyperbole.

I understand that you are currently healthy...great, hopefully for a long long time. but be honest, do you honestly not believe that being obese and severely obese is a health risk? How many obese 80 years old do you see? some sure...but the vast majority of people who stay thinner will live longer and have less health issues as they age. do you deny these facts?

And as the obese America is aging we will certainly see even higher costs.

And of course the end of life costs are high and by percentage the higher health costs in the last year of your life than the entire previous. that also must be addressed but this topic was specifically about obesity.

Mean spirited...I think not. All of our life's choices will effect the greater whole when sharing a cost basis but there is definately a link to my health insurance costs and obesity.
Well, some of that is cause and effect. Aging lessens the appetite for rich foods and food in general. Many of the thin 80 year olds you see now, once were obese. My point was not that obesity is healthy, my point was that the very idea of physical health being controllable to any workable degree is just not working for me. Yes, you might be able to sidestep some illnesses as I have been fortunate enough to do for quite a while now, but I have never kidded myself that this was all pure luck and nothing more (maybe good genes). Thin people shouldn't get overly smug about there state of condition either. I am at the age now where I check the obits daily, not to be morbid, but in case someone I know has passed, I will be aware of it. I haven't seen anymore photo's of people that fell under the category of (died unexpectedly) that were obese as were thin. Those who think that running everyday will necessarily lengthen ones life may just be playing a fools game. The difference is that those with targeted problems are more conscience of that possibility then those that don't.

There is also a link to your health insurance cost and cancer, heart disease, alcohol, stress filled work environments, participation in physically risky pastimes like skiing, football, smoking, etc. so I'm apparently missing the point of how finger pointing at fat people is of any worthwhile purpose. It is just one of many situations that humans find themselves in and just one of the many things that cause our costs to increase that have to be taken as a group with one no more important then the other. They all cost us equally, in all probability.

As a final note...I know that this topic was specifically about obesity and my whole purpose for participating in it is to ask why! Why, do we spend time discussing things that are a.) none of our business and b.) even if they were our business, there is nothing that we can do about it? It isn't in our power and shouldn't be. That is the reason why I interjected those "other" reasons because this incessant dialog about obesity, be it adult or childhood, is under the same category as bigotry based on color, religion and ethnic background. It is laced with massive overtones of superiority and smugness along with a lot of misconceptions about what causes it. A large portion of those that are offended by obesity are offended only because it doesn't fit their eye. It's not attractive, it ruins their sensibilities. They couldn't care less about the health issues for individuals. It is just a situation of what is it costing ME and why do I have to look at that. There really is no other reason at all. It just doesn't have a place in this type of discussion because it is personal and in most cases totally irrelevant.

Then if you add into the mix that our food is Poison, then you have to ask..what are we supposed to do about it then, we are all doomed.:)
 
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flynnibus

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Totally different things. If you have kids, you know that's not an apples to apples comparison. If you don't, let the floggings commence! :hilarious:

I do have kids... three of them.

Kidding aside, We all have different backgrounds and experiences which allow us to make informed (to varying degrees) opinions about running a theme park. Plenty of folks make themselves look stupid by sharing uninformed opinion here.

But parenting is different from anything else. Even raising my own kids, I have to take very different approaches to parenting with each of them. Unless you are an expert of some kind, you couldn't possibly give me good parenting advice without getting to know my kids.

And yet, people without kids (people who know less about the subject than anyone else in the world) always seem to think they have the whole thing figured out. They've got all the answers and oh brother are they willing to share their collected wisdom. Usually it consists of doing the most obvious thing. The thing all new parents try first. The thing that never works.

The same can be said of business. Some people are experienced in being part of them... some even have experience helping making choices in one... but that's not the same as being 'the man' who actually is on the hook for everything.. good or bad. They are also not all the same... just as you know things about your kids that others do not at first glance.. the same can be said of businesses and the constraints they operate under.

Let's be real... what makes this 'different' is by some telling others how parenting is done, they are trying to tell YOU how to parent. When you both rant about Disney.. neither of you take personal offense because neither of you have personal vestment into what is being criticized. When someone says 'this is how parenting should be...' they are through inclusion making claims how YOUR parenting should be.

Being uninformed hasn't stopped ranting about topics before... the uninformed will do the same about parenting too. Even from other parents :)
 

willtravel

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I was just wondering if anyone can tell me how the sales are going at WDW for DVC's? With Poly now going to be built and GFV, is there still alot of inventory left to sell at the other locations? It just seems like a heck of alot of rooms with DVC and regular rooms.
 

alissafalco

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Although it may not seem like much, switching to a smaller model of stroller - single or double - would help the problem; You can get more of them in the same parking area, they take up less "floor space" moving through the parks, etc. As for the doubles, one of them should be more compact than two singles, and so every one of those rented (versus two singles) reduces the total number in the park.

I only have a problem with the double WIDE strollers, only singles and doubles that have one seat behind the other should be allowed. This would help A LOT with space.
 

alissafalco

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What about 50 year olds in strollers spoonfeeding themselves Dippin' Dots WHILE smoking?

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Btw, that is from USF before HHNs last FRi. night.

That's really disturbing and sad. Did you notice the cooler strapped on the back? jeez
 

Goofyernmost

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What about 50 year olds in strollers spoonfeeding themselves Dippin' Dots WHILE smoking?

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Btw, that is from USF before HHNs last FRi. night.
OK, I hate to be a broken record about this but, geez, here are two people sitting quietly out of the way, minding their own business for some reason you found it novel enough to take a picture of. Why? What harm were they doing to you. What terrible thing that is happening to you are they responsible for. I'm amazed that you didn't mention the cooler back there. At least for an obvious lack of anything worthwhile to mention about them...they did provide you with a laugh or two.
 

Disneyhead'71

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OK, I hate to be a broken record about this but, geez, here are two people sitting quietly out of the way, minding their own business for some reason you found it novel enough to take a picture of. Why? What harm were they doing to you. What terrible thing that is happening to you are they responsible for. I'm amazed that you didn't mention the cooler back there. At least for an obvious lack of anything worthwhile to mention about them...they did provide you with a laugh or two.
I didn't take their photo for a laugh. I don't find it funny at all. I do think the picture alone is relevant social commentary. And if I had to bet money, I bet there is insulin in the cooler, not food.

I also knew for a fact that posting the picture is pretty darned politically incorrect. Oh well, PC has never been my strong suit. But I do think that the photo is relevant to the discussion at hand.
 
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