Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

[Lucky]

Experiments by social scientists have shown that even very low-value gifts work in creating a sense of obligation by the recipient towards the giver. If a site like Touringplans has a policy of not accepting gifts, that enhances its credibility with me quite a bit. But to each his own. I won't try to tell other people who they should believe.

 

[WDWDad13]

It matters (to me) if the recipient of the "gift" gives nothing but glowing reviews.

again... it is simply amazing how this is becoming the most negative Disney message board around... and i'm not just talking about opinions toward Disney... but others in general

so let me get this straight...we are arguing now that a fan of Disney that has a website blog and podcast gives glowing reviews (about a restaurant he recently ate at) and shares with us his exciting information on something he loves.....we're now saying these people MUST be negative right? good grief

people are upset because he's a fan and isn't negative like half the people on this message board... is that seriously what I am hearing?

 

[misterID]

Maybe Ricky doesn't find everything at the parks to be the doom and gloom that a few around here want.

Why don't you all go start your own site about all the horrible things going on at WDW? Please, take your small group and build a site that highlights every little thing you find problematic. You all know SO MUCH MORE than any of the Disney social media employees, their "whores" and all those lifestylers, so your site should be a monster success in just days or weeks. Do it. Prove you actually have the all-knowing, superior capabilities you claim.

Good lord, then you and your buddies should stop hanging out in the thread, already.

If by now you still beileve in the ridiculous "doom and gloomers" BS then that's your hang up. From my perspective, these people are big Disney fans raised on the Disney standard. You don't like the criticisms, don't subject yourself to them. You don't like the thread, you don't like the posters in the thread, you don't like the topics, the opinions, or the OP, but yet you have to keep complaining about how we all think.

Take your own advice, STOP lurking in the thread if this is your only contribution and it bothers you this much.

 

[WDWDad13]

Good lord, then you and your buddies should stop hanging out in the thread, already.

If by now you still beileve in the ridiculous "doom and gloomers" BS then that's your hang up. From my perspective, these people are big Disney fans raised on the Disney standard. You don't like the criticisms, don't subject yourself to them. You don't like the thread, you don't like the posters in the thread, you don't like the topics, the opinions, or the OP, but yet you have to keep complaining about how we all think.

Take your own advice, STOP lurking in the thread if this is your only contribution and it bothers you this much.

his point is everything is doom and gloom to some of you guys... I don't get it... if Disney built the perfect land or attraction some would still find fault

I have no problem pointing out Disney problems... but everything ISN'T a problem contrary to popular belief by some

 

[misterID]

again... it is simply amazing how this is becoming the most negative Disney message board around... and i'm not just talking about opinions toward Disney... but others in general

so let me get this straight...we are arguing now that a fan of Disney that has a website blog and podcast gives glowing reviews (about a restaurant he recently ate at) and shares with us his exciting information on something he loves.....we're now saying these people MUST be negative right? good grief

people are upset because he's a fan and isn't negative like half the people on this message board... is that seriously what I am hearing?

See preivious post. Stop harming yourself. No one is saying that, you're making it up to be super dramatic.

 

[crispy]

That was a bit on the cruel and uncalled for side, don't you think?

Not really. I actually have no problem with bloggers taking whatever they can from Disney. Don't hate the player, hate the game and all that jazz. It's actually nice to see someone taking advantage of the Mouse, and not the other way around. But if you are going to do it, just be honest about it. Own up to it. Admit they you give good reviews because you get free stuff.

Disney is not the only company who gives bloggers stuff. Check out any blog with a lot of traffic, and you will see reviews of freebies all the time. It's a pretty common practice. Just don't pretend to be something you're not (real media) and the act morally outraged when you get called on. It is so disingenuous.

 

[misterID]

his point is everything is doom and gloom to some of you guys... I don't get it... if Disney built the perfect land or attraction some would still find fault

I have no problem pointing out Disney problems... but everything ISN'T a problem contrary to popular belief by some

Who is saying EVERYTHING is a problem?

If you don't see the positiveness in our posts then you're ignoring it intentionally. Not everyone is going to like a "perfect land or attraction" it doesn't mean they are negative. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Some love Carsland, others don't, for no other reason than it doesn't appeal to them. And we're not discussing Disney's perfect lands or attractions lately.

I don't subject myself to certain Dinsey blogs for a reason. It's very simple.

 

[flynnibus]

Experiments by social scientists have shown that even very low-value gifts work in creating a sense of obligation by the recipient towards the giver. If a site like Touringplans has a policy of not accepting gifts, that enhances its credibility with me quite a bit. But to each his own. I won't try to tell other people who they should believe.

So what are fans to believe when a site that doesn't accept gifts... only gives constructive news updates and does not cover anything negative?

While another site that doesn't accept gifts... covers tons of negative news that Site '1' didn't cover.

How does those competing observations work concurrently? The answer is.. swag/freebie/whatever are not the defining trait of what a site covers. It's illogical to assume that because a site doesn't carry negative information, they must be on the take. Else, we'd all be screaming @wdwmagic is tainted because we can't find negative reviews on the front page.

Some people may be compromised by their relationship with the vendor... but it is not logical to infer that because some are compromised, that by definition all must be.

Touringplans is pretty much sunshine and lollipops... yet they have a policy that says no gifts. wdwmagic does not take gifts.. yet only covers objective content.

How is it these objective independent sites that don't take gifts... don't cover all the negative news?!?! Because the gifts don't define the direction of a site.

 

[scout68]

See fallacy #2 - If you don't report negative things, you are tainted and controlled

Thats not what I stated.

You are very good player in this forum game but there are times when your britches seem to shrink.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Since the destination mantra has fallen from Montreal (which is a great city, btw) everything is aging.

It is a relatively safe and clean city, however, there are many people, like myself, that still remember mail boxes blowing up, and political assassinations along with the fact that you could be ignored for extremely long periods of time just because you spoke only English, hasn't completely erased itself from our memory banks.

I know! That same thing happened to me too! I lived in Rome and didn't speak any Italian and so the locals sometimes ignored me! Likewise in Stockholm, I didn't speak any Swedish and for this trivial issue I was sometimes left out of conversations, like when I entered a shop and all the people didn't suddenly start to converse in English!

What's wrong with these people speaking their own language in their own country!?

(Vive Le Québec! Vive le Québec libre!

)

 

[Pentacat]

Anyone seen this yet? Bloomberg Article

Going to hard to shake any Capital loose for P&R with these plans in the works. I love this quote from Rasulo: “Based on the investment we have been doing, we will see an increase in cash flow,” Rasulo said. “We just worked our way through a huge capital cycle.”

I understand that this is a normal thing for them and they don't put any kind of dates for the buyback. It just kind of gives you a peek into their thinking....all is good, no need for all that expensive capital investment in any of our other parks or resorts.

It's a good thing that the money they use to grease the Internets is probably accounted for as an expense and not a capital investment.

 

[scout68]

What matters to me or you or anyone else is our personal take.
I find it off putting how often the all mighty last word is thundered from the heavens without as much thought as it deserves.

 

[flynnibus]

Thats not what I stated.

So what is your problem then with someone who only puts out positive stories?

Are people who 'only have nice things to say' about someone wrong in some way? Are they too being bought?

Or can you simply not accept the fact that not every person is required to cover every angle. Some people just have no interest in negative energy. That's their choice. If you don't like that type of person... why on earth are you wasting your time reading what they have to say?

 

[Yensid1974]

Not really. I actually have no problem with bloggers taking whatever they can from Disney. Don't hate the player, hate the game and all that jazz. It's actually nice to see someone taking advantage of the Mouse, and not the other way around. But if you are going to do it, just be honest about it. Own up to it. Admit they you give good reviews because you get free stuff.

Disney is not the only company who gives bloggers stuff. Check out any blog with a lot of traffic, and you will see reviews of freebies all the time. It's a pretty common practice. Just don't pretend to be something you're not (real media) and the act morally outraged when you get called on. It is so disingenuous.

These people are not taking advantage of the Mouse, quite the other way around actually.

 

[CDavid]

his point is everything is doom and gloom to some of you guys... I don't get it... if Disney built the perfect land or attraction some would still find fault

I have no problem pointing out Disney problems... but everything ISN'T a problem contrary to popular belief by some

MisterID beat me to the point, but again, nobody - not a single soul here - has suggested or even hinted that everything is doom and gloom, or that everything is a problem. Certainly there are many, many faults within Disney in 2013, but people are hardly finding fault where none exists.

 

[flynnibus]

If you don't report negative things because you want to continue to be wined and dined?

Then that has nothing to do with taking the gift... that has everything to do with your choice to give up independence in exchange for future perks. The first choice (taking a gift) does not require nor mandate the second choice (giving up independence).

There are reasonable scenarios where one happens, and not the other. That means the conclusion is not dependent on the first condition.. but rather another condition not listed. In this case, that condition is someone making themselves dependent on the good favors of the vendor.

All I know is... thank god most of you don't design systems or software. Your stuff would be so broken it would never spit out the right answer.

 

[Yensid1974]

So, to change the subject for a moment or two... @WDW1974 have any insight into this article just posted http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201309/3653/ ?

 

[crispy]

These people are not taking advantage of the Mouse, quite the other way around actually.

How so? It seems like a mutually beneficial relationship to me, but I would like to know how you feel they are being taken advantage of. Is it because you do indeed think some of them are mentally ill? (No snark intended, I am genuinely curious).

 

[Pentacat]

Then that has nothing to do with taking the gift... that has everything to do with your choice to give up independence in exchange for future perks. The first choice (taking a gift) does not require nor mandate the second choice (giving up independence).

There are reasonable scenarios where one happens, and not the other. That means the conclusion is not dependent on the first condition.. but rather another condition not listed. In this case, that condition is someone making themselves dependent on the good favors of the vendor.

All I know is... thank god most of you don't design systems or software. Your stuff would be so broken it would never spit out the right answer.

No offense but you can't approach everything like an programming exercise. Darn engineers...always to practical and analytic.

 

[Pentacat]

So, to change the subject for a moment or two... @WDW1974 have any insight into this article just posted http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201309/3653/ ?

Only makes sense. I'm sure they know that they can split the hardcore fanbase into making the trip from SoCal to the swamp by building the SW content there first. And then the opposite is true for DCA Carsland. I know at least three hardcore WDW regulars that have taken their families out west for the first time just because of Carsland.