Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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LuvtheGoof

LuvtheGoof

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njDizFan said:
eh not bad I guess. That about 31-32 points. which will get you 2 nights at a studio during the week(except premier season). So that's $85/night plus the $2000 divided over 40 years ($50). So in essence you are paying about $135 a night to stay in a studio apartment. Major win...not really but it's okay.
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I haven't read through to see if this was answered, but if it has, it still bears repeating.

Sorry, but your math is way off here. If he spent 2k on 31 points for the next 40 years, that's 1240 points that he will get to use for the life of the deed. That is $1.24 per point used. With the current dues at $5.84 per point, his total per point cost is $7.08. If he goes during "Magic Season", he can get a studio for 2 nights at 14 points per night for a standard view. That comes out to $99 per night, and he won't pay any of the resort taxes and fees that are added.

Checking the Disney website, a Standard View Studio next May will cost $477 rack rate per night. Even with, say, a 40% discount, the nightly cost is still $286 plus the taxes and such added on. So he just saved over $200 PER NIGHT over the 40% discount rate and over $400 over the rack rate! Please, tell me where else he can get into a deluxe resort for $99 per night on Disney property?

So with staying only 10 days, he will have already saved his initial investment of 2k. His nightly cost after that will be only the cost of dues. So he will get into that studio for only $82 per night. Pretty much the cost of a discounted value resort, but he gets to stay at the Boardwalk. Not too shabby, I think!

Sorry for the OT post. Back to the regular posting.
 
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Travel Junkie

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Arewethereyet! said:
Sorry 74...another derailment happening here. I promise this is my first and last installment on the subject. I will give you some background first. I was a football coach for 17 years....played the sport for many years. Did I play professionally? no...but I think given the amount of time playing the game coaching the game and being a student of the game gives me some insight to the subject. First the object of the game is not only to score a touchdown but it also to knock the snot out of the person in front of you. That said I promise you every single player knows when they put on the helmet that there is a risk not only for a xoncussion but they are at risk to actually lose their life.

I personally think that this lawsuit is frivolous. Is the fact that there is past players with serious complications a problem? absolutely. But to sue the NFL because the NFL "hid" information on concussions makes no more sense then to say they have been hiding information about knee injuries. Yes concussions are more serious but as prevalent. These players all know what they are signing up for. They make millions. No the past players did not make what they make now and IMO there should be a fund set up tohelp these players to provide healthcare etc.

The real crime....what gets overlooked is in the college and high school game. 99.9% of these players never make millions....does not participate in a mega million dollar law suit. The colleges make millions and millions and these players get zippo! IMO the players in this suit are trying to get a payday. I am sure there are a percentage that has a claim but most just want a piece of the billion dollar pie. There will most likely be a settlement just like there was for the tobacco law suit. It's a sham....a scam. NFL will just raise ticket....merch...beer and all NFL property to pay for it. We the NFL fan will pay for it.

Now to your theory that the NFL will not look like it does today? ABSOLUTELY and also IMO it will not be the billion dollar king of sports. In the end.....I want to see my Ravens knock the snot out of the Steelers.
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In the interest of the thread I'll keep it short and the discussion can be continued on a sports website. Funny you mention the tobacco industry and there are a lot of parallel's in how they handle the issue. Deny a problem exists, then acknowledge a problem exists but minimize it, put considerable pressure on anyone who attempts to bring the truth to light. When the truth begins to emerge, they try and seem proactive about correcting the problem to prevent further damage.

Agree with you about high school and college, but disagree about the lawsuit being frivolous. Most of the former players suing had the truth hidden from them and were often cleared by team doctors to continue playing when they should not have been. Those team doctors are paid by the teams and the NFL and were pressured to clear players that they normally would not.
 
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GoofGoof said:
You are right that its apples and oranges plus the Nextgen project has a much larger scope than really anything of its kind. The casino companies all have some version of a loyalty program, but aren't linked to literally everything you do on property. Just players cards used when gambling linked to hotel reservations.
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I've always found it strange that Disney didn't offer some type of loyalty program, even if it were just for hotel stays.
 
Mike730

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This is like watching a bunch of old men trying to make a cell phone call.

THERE IS NOTHING NEW AND LIFE THREATENING HERE FOLKS.

RFID is not nearly "new" tech and it has been used for at least half a decade by gazillions of Banks and Credit Card companies.

You're foolish if you think your credit card is safe because you only buy on "trusted" websites and keep it tucked away safe in your wallet most of the time. I can guarantee that there are dozens of people out there with your information that you surely wouldn't trust with it.

The ONLY way to ensure credit card safety is by monitoring your statements. Thats it. Thats final.



In terms of Nextgen as a whole...

Forget wristbands. Seriously. They're like the gimmick that makes this a "theme park addition" instead of just technological upgrades.

Disney comes out and says they are going to do 1.3 BIL in tech upgrades including...
free wifi resort-wide,
tap to pay resort-wide,
tap to enter your room and any doors resort-wide,
fastpasses on your key to the world,
personalized attractions to come (like test track),
and a fancy new app that has maps and wait times and the ability to store all the data you need on your vacation.

Would you really be complaining? Really?

Five years down the line would you really not want all these upgrades?

Thats a lot of money, but stop worrying for god sakes.

The fastpass+ looks to be a mistake, but the technological upgrades are certainly necessary.
 
Sue_Vongello

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Here's my three cents:

Imagine a car manufacturer. Cars need to drive but technology has become integral to the future of cars, adding tech to monitor systems, adding GPS, adding additional safety technology ... all of that is great and essential but it's all irrelevant if they ignore the basic function of the car, namely what makes it drive.

That's Disney they have invested in great technology for their car, fancy system monitoring, great GPS but they've ignored the engine which is now 10 years behind and while the tech is great if the car doesn't drive ... what's the point?
 
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Tim_4

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Sue_Vongello said:
Here's my three cents:

Imagine a car manufacturer. Cars need to drive but technology has become integral to the future of cars, adding tech to monitor systems, adding GPS, adding additional safety technology ... all of that is great and essential but it's all irrelevant if they ignore the basic function of the car, namely what makes it drive.

That's Disney they have invested in great technology for their car, fancy system monitoring, great GPS but they've ignored the engine which is now 10 years behind and while the tech is great if the car doesn't drive ... what's the point?
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I like the analogy actually but I'd push back and argue that the engine isn't actually broken and the car drives quite well. If you believe the stuff about attendance, occupancy, and room rates all being down, you'd be spot on. I happen to not believe those things to be true. Though the car could certainly use a paint job.
 
GoofGoof

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MattM said:
I've always found it strange that Disney didn't offer some type of loyalty program, even if it were just for hotel stays.
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They sorta, kinda do/did with AP rates, pins and bounce back rates and other types of offers not available to the general public. In recent years those offers have shrunk and its been mostly free dining during off peak times. IMHO one of the goals of this whole experiment is to truly pinpoint who should be getting these types of offers, similar to a loyalty program.

Here is an example: 2 families stay at Coronado Springs every July for a week. Family # 1 buys length of stay park hoppers, eats all of their meals in the parks/hotels and buys tons of merchandise. Family # 2 gets a 4 day hopper, spends 2 days at Universal, 1 at SW and eats half their meals off property. In the past both simply got a pin code for a room discount for their trip next year. Now with The data mining they can build a profile of all of these guests likes and dislikes. For family #1 the goal is to see how much more cash you can get out of them and keep them happy. Maybe next year's offer is a discount at the Poly trying to get them to upgrade to a deluxe. They could also get offers for behind the scenes tours and/or exclusive character meals or meet and greets. the goal is to get them to spend more while they are on property.

For family #2 the goal is to get them to stay on property longer and skip the off site stuff. Maybe they don't get a room offer, but free dining instead. Better to have them pay rack rate for their room and then force them to eat on property then to give them a room discount so they can use the room as a base to spend money elsewhere.

The point is that in the past these 2 families looked identical to Disney. They both stayed a week each year at the same hotel. Now Disney can see that there is a very different path to extracting cash from them and offers can be tailored to needs. Remember too that Disney will have an unprecedented amount of info about each guest. This is the Target red card example state earlier multiplied by 100. Now they won't just know what you bought, but more importantly what you didn't buy or almost bought. They will be tracking guest's patterns and attempting to assign a behavior to you.
 
flynnibus

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Nubs70 said:
How are.they unrelated?
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They weren't driven by the same factors and there was enough isolation between the divisions in the company that the strategic flops in TV and media were not driving the theme park strategies/operations. At this point, Theme Parks were already deep in the Pressler era already being driven into the ground for 4+ years. Disney was opening two new theme parks during this time (DCA and WDSP) with their own mindset of how parks should be priced and operated... independet of the stupidity driving the aquistion thinking of Eisner at the time in media. Topping that was the steep decline following 9/11. Infoseek/GO was a disaster... topped only by the absurdity of the 5+ billion dollar price paid for Fox Family just a few years later.
 
Nubs70

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flynnibus said:
They weren't driven by the same factors and there was enough isolation between the divisions in the company that the strategic flops in TV and media were not driving the theme park strategies/operations. At this point, Theme Parks were already deep in the Pressler era already being driven into the ground for 4+ years. Disney was opening two new theme parks during this time (DCA and WDSP) with their own mindset of how parks should be priced and operated... independet of the stupidity driving the aquistion thinking of Eisner at the time in media. Topping that was the steep decline following 9/11. Infoseek/GO was a disaster... topped only by the absurdity of the 5+ billion dollar price paid for Fox Family just a few years later.
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So if a high dollar expenditure occurs within the same business unit, fail or succeed, that expenditure needs to be recouped?
 
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