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SirLink
Well-Known Member
I didn't 'blast' you I simply stated the following:
It wasn't in the correct area and Steve or Mrs M moved it into the correct forum, hardly bashing you, when it had nothing to do with News or Rumors...
flynnibus
Premium Member
Committees are setup by the house or senate.. along with their membership. Committees as setup by the whole are enacted with specific powers and jurisdictions. A caucus is none of those and is setup by individuals on their own accord but within the rules of the house or senate. The use of 'committee' in respect to this thread or Ed Markey are incorrect and infer powers the caucus does not have -- regardless of 'elected'. This isn't a congressional committee involved at this point.
Bcakd
Active Member
Thank You! See, I didn't know that. I appreciate you being kind enough to share this with me.
dhall
Well-Known Member
Disney's the first really big public case where data mining & pervasive tracking hits the public eye here in the states. Believe me, I know very very well that I'm being tracked on the internet and on my cell phone, but that doesn't necessarily make me comfortable or happy about it. In Europe, there are much stricter privacy laws concerning how corporations gather & treat personal information and what they can do with it -- there's a large number of people that share a basic belief that the US should move more in that direction.
Neither corporations, nor the internet, nor the cell phone network would exist without the government creating or administering them. The lines that bound the behavor of corporations should be examined regularly, as history shows frequent examples where corporate malfeasance causes huge public problems.
Besides, we really should have more of a choice than "put up with it or live in a cave".
Does Disney have the right to require participation in this program in order to get access to the best services they offer? Sure, for now. Should they? That's yet to be agreed on. That line can move, and one of the things that '74 is pointing out in this thread is that Disney seems to be creeping a little close to the line for comfort for such a large corporation whose strongest brand identification is with children, especially so soon after they may have helped move the line in a direction that benefits them.
Captain Chaos
Well-Known Member
My feeling: if you are feeling a sense of guilt, then you must have a guilty conscience about something... If you take offense to questions being asked about privacy concerns, then you are trying to hide something, there is something you don't want people to know... What is Disney and Iger hiding that they don't want known about this program?
It should get to him... They brought it on to themselves... But he should also display a calm nature, especially with this NextGen since it is a very polarizing topic... And I agree that calling this a pedophile's dream is being extreme... I'd prefer if people tried to make their case without bringing that up.. Just argue your privacy concerns... CEOs are supposed to have thick skin... If the pressure is getting to much for him, time for him to go...
I don't fault the Congressman for questioning new technology being implemented at the most visited tourist destination in the world... He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't express concern and ask questions... I blame Iger for his tone, or at least allowing that letter to be drafted for him in that tone... and not answering the questions that were asked...
Yes, publishing the letter (which was fine in and of itself), was grandstanding by a politician looking for political hay. But Disney is one of the big boys, and when you play with the big boys you should expect that sort of thing, and why Iger gets paid the big bucks. Playing mock-offended in the response just comes across as shallow and with a weak hand, regardless of the reality.You mean a letter with a press release.. that we post on our website... before the receiever even has the opportunity to know it's coming? That kind of 'letter'? Yeah.. that's the same thing..
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
How is this not the equivalent of "refusing to be searched should be cause for a search"?
Quick procedural lesson. Committees are setup by the Speaker of the House and technically, the Vice President (Senate President), though is usually deferred to the Senate Majority Leader. The membership often has very little say, save for maybe whips, prestigious members, etc. The House Speaker and Senate Maj. Ldr then assign members to committees, and often remove them from committees unilaterally.
i.e. Say the Speaker had a bill in "House Tech Oversight Committee" that is beneficial to Accenture, and he wants it passed. Now say congressman "smith" has a bone to pick with Accenture b/c they contributed to his opponent in the general election. The speaker can remove that member and replace him, unilaterally if he so chooses.
And you would be surprised how quickly a committee, or caucus, could go from paper tiger to the real deal with the stroke of a pen.
If the speaker wanted.
Bcakd
Active Member
I do apologize for my hasty reaction. Surely you can understand when someone is new to something and just trying to get in the groove of how it works, it can be a little disheartening to be told you did this or that wrong. And then to see where someone says "New Members" shouldn't be allowed to post for a few days makes one feel really crappy. I am very sorry I took it the wrong way. If this had just been a discussion between you and I, it would probably have never went past the word go. I just felt like I was being attacked as a new member. And by the way, I'm sure it's hard to believe, but I am VERY computer illiterate. I can navigate the CPSI system we have at work, but other than that, I am quite the babe in the woods. So, again I am sorry. I think this was just the perfect storm of seeing I was in the wrong place, and the new member comment...which I now see wasn't your comment (sorry) that just sent me in a tirade. As it did to several others. Trust me, Aquaduck has more than let it be known that I am not welcome. Anyway, I am VERY sorry. I hope you have a great day and forget about the crazy lady on this site.
ChrisFL
Premium Member
Post of the year Candidate!!
asianway
Well-Known Member
I think your questions may have gotten lost in the midst of the OT posts. Regular FP will go away - when is the question, no one seems to know. GAC may change as a result of MyMagic+ - theres a good deal of discussion here -forum member @RSoxNo1 is in a similar situation as well.I haven't been on WDWMagic in a long time and only came back because we are planning our first trip back to WDW in 4 years. Following all this NextGen/MyMagic stuff has given me an honest to goodness headache when it comes to planning ~ we are returning in June so I'm assuming they will have started this at least in stages with resort guests. Since we are staying off-property, I'm hoping that the old fastpass system will still be around; how likely is that? We are paying cash for food/merchandise just to keep a close watch on our vacation budget and not be tempted to spend money we don't have. I would rather stick with the old system and see how things play out. Disney isn't being forthcoming in my opinion about the timeframe for all of this, and that's maddening to me. I think they are going to make the 'opt-out' option as unappealing as they can, and that's what bothers me the most. The choice will be in Disney's hands, not mine. Having to switch to this program to have a hope of getting fastpasses for the attractions you want? Vacations are supposed to be relaxing, not programmed aren't they?
I also have a question as to how they're going to deal with all the various tour groups with this program. It's possible my daughter will be traveling with our school's marching band to WDW in 2015. Will every band student be given an Magicband when they get there? Will they have to pick out what they want to do before they even leave home? This applies to any group: cheer, sports, band, Brazilians. Will there be incentives for such groups? SHOULD there be incentives for such groups?
We also have kept a GAC on hand in the past, as our youngest is on the autistic spectrum. How will that be affected? I have to plan for his needs in the midst of all this carp Disney is planning to do. I'm not expecting definitive answers from anyone, but these are concerns of mine. Planning a Disney trip is becoming a chore and not so much fun anymore.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/possible-changes-coming-to-the-guest-assistance-cards-gac.850729/
invader
Well-Known Member
I wasn't the one who said a bit of anything about new members. I was simply helping defend members on our boards which you seemed to be slightly picking on, but I digress... Welcome to WDWMagic.
flynnibus
Premium Member
You may want to consider the opinions of the lawyers in the thread on the tone used
flynnibus
Premium Member
An interesting thing is... In the quest for privacy and ensuring no personal info is on the bands... They might actually restrict themselves from integrating GAC features into the band.
They've already said ap discounts will not be conveyed by the band... That might infer a fear of putting any such flags into the system
SirLink
Well-Known Member
I do apologize for my hasty reaction. Surely you can understand when someone is new to something and just trying to get in the groove of how it works, it can be a little disheartening to be told you did this or that wrong. And then to see where someone says "New Members" shouldn't be allowed to post for a few days makes one feel really crappy. I am very sorry I took it the wrong way. If this had just been a discussion between you and I, it would probably have never went past the word go. I just felt like I was being attacked as a new member. And by the way, I'm sure it's hard to believe, but I am VERY computer illiterate. I can navigate the CPSI system we have at work, but other than that, I am quite the babe in the woods. So, again I am sorry. I think this was just the perfect storm of seeing I was in the wrong place, and the new member comment...which I now see wasn't your comment (sorry) that just sent me in a tirade. As it did to several others. Trust me, Aquaduck has more than let it be known that I am not welcome. Anyway, I am VERY sorry. I hope you have a great day and forget about the crazy lady on this site.
No probs if your unsure ask away, be more than willing to help you navigate the forums
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Lee
Adventurer
I think the tone wouldn't be a big deal if it were just motions passing back and forth between lawyers.
These "letters" are intended for public consumption, which would seem to dictate a more...friendly (for lack of a better term) tone.
It isn't like the teacher confiscated a private note between students and read it aloud.
To a large degree this is all PR and should be handled that way.
Bcakd
Active Member
It's fine. And I really do apologize. Thanks for being so understanding and allowing me to apologize!No probs if your unsure ask away, be more than willing to help you navigate the forums
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Oh my goodness, if only the government could dissolve their disputes so easily. We may have found the answer to world peace....just apologize, help others, and be understanding! Hmmmmmm......I see a Nobel in our future! 
Oh, this should be fun. We were at 202 pages at 2:30 a.m. when I finally had enough ... and now we have 204, which means ...
I am at the point where I feel it may be best to simply post news when I get it and then let everyone fight about it because I already live a soap opera in real life, I don't need the drama here. And, make no mistake, I have a giant Mickey targeted on my back.
On second thought, what fun would that be? ... and I don't even have any Klout riding on it either (unlike others).
Also, not that it will happen, but I'm at the point where I almost feel the boards should be shut down from 10 p.m. Eastern time to 8 a.m. because it is obvious to every troll in the world that no one is moderating and they can come in and raise hell.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand (or what most of us were trying to talk about), but Bob Iger is indeed on the ground at the lovely WDW Resort in Florida. I am trying to find out what his daily agenda consists of and where he is being spotted (YES, I am stalking BOB IGER ... from a keyboard a few hundred miles away!!!)
I am at the point where I feel it may be best to simply post news when I get it and then let everyone fight about it because I already live a soap opera in real life, I don't need the drama here. And, make no mistake, I have a giant Mickey targeted on my back.
On second thought, what fun would that be? ... and I don't even have any Klout riding on it either (unlike others).
Also, not that it will happen, but I'm at the point where I almost feel the boards should be shut down from 10 p.m. Eastern time to 8 a.m. because it is obvious to every troll in the world that no one is moderating and they can come in and raise hell.
Anyway, back to the subject at hand (or what most of us were trying to talk about), but Bob Iger is indeed on the ground at the lovely WDW Resort in Florida. I am trying to find out what his daily agenda consists of and where he is being spotted (YES, I am stalking BOB IGER ... from a keyboard a few hundred miles away!!!)