space mountain lawsuit

[darthdarrel]

Can we PLEASE stop this fighting? You both make valid points,although I have to admit Happy Snapper that you have taken more the one jab at us americans in these forums. Yes some of us can be over zealous,I`ll admit that. I am proud to be an american,but you should be proud of where you live aswell. I am proud to be american,but I`m also proud of my heritage to I`m Italian/German/Irish/Scottish/Welsh and french!:lol: yA Just call me a MUTT!
Although right now I`m not to proud of the German and french.

 

[Fievel]

I'm sure you're both proud of where you come from. Heck, it's part of being citizens of our native country.

However:

1) We do those countries a great disservice when we bicker and fight over countries that are supposed to be FRIENDS.

2) Steve has asked us to keep the politics off the boards.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by Merlin
Well, I've grown bored correcting all your grammar. What was it you were saying about lack of education?

Thanks for correcting my obvious grammatical failings. At least it prevented you from addressing the issues. Tut Tut.

English, you appear to be well versed in, shame you cannot live up to these high standards in other facets of your posts. But from now on to help you focus your attention on the gist of any post, I will attempt to ensure my grammar is correct and that of my spelling. However as I’m pretty crap at typing I can’t guarantee this.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

My last explanitory word on this

Originally posted by darthdarrel
Can we PLEASE stop this fighting? You both make valid points,although I have to admit Happy Snapper that you have taken more the one jab at us americans in these forums. .

Yes Ill admit that I’m not backwards at coming forwards, especially when people make ill conceived and inflammatory remarks. I can however only think of three issues that were posted any where on these boards where any of my opinions could have been described as controversial in terms of how you in the US view yourselves.

1. Gun control
2. Terrorism (to some of us its not a new concept)
3. GWB and his attitude (sorry his perceived attitude) to the rest of the world.
oops 4 Forgot about mocking baseball and that game a it like rugby but they have to wear pads

The rest of my post are 99% of the time tongue in cheek, I appreciate we have a different sense of what’s funny, and to many irony is something which you press your clothes with. But even in the issue if the spouting wizard had been as careful about reading the post as he was in correcting my grammatical errors he may have seen that the issue I was raising is that in a land famed for its freedom and rights of the individuals are there really sections of the community so dumb that they require warnings on every facet of life? If so you are pretty unique and I am ill informed and with out hesitation will apologise. However as I was making out if America is the same as every other industrialised country on the planet why do you need these warnings? Unless it’s to stave off the lawyers at the door. ( point remade, clarified and last word on the subject)

On the subject of patriotism I have never knocked anyone for being proud of their heritage. The trouble with us Brits ( well the English really us Celtic nations have no probs) is we have become so cynical that many find it difficult to express it without feeling a sycophant, or in some quarters being described as racist. In many places it is deemed illegal to fly the national flag for fear of offending someone. So the Disney squeaky clean version of history is a little hard to swallow without a rye smile, a fact also expressed in many of the books I’ve read.
So to sum up, yes I have my opinions that may not be the party line but it’s a point of view that is offered under the conditions of threads posted. I am not anti America its a beautiful country; I do think there are dobbers living there as there is everywhere and some do make posts to this board and are really asking for it if they make, IMHO, inflammatory remarks. I do however try to avoid being personal, unless you happen to be called Phenix, and even so I always try to keep a modicum of humour in my posts.
Though I guess its more than the common language that divides us.

 

[FourFourSeven]

Re: My last explanitory word on this

Originally posted by happy snapper

1. Gun control
2. Terrorism (to some of us its not a new concept)
3. GWB and his attitude (sorry his perceived attitude) to the rest of the world.
oops 4 Forgot about mocking baseball and that game a it like rugby but they have to wear pads

I'll try to keep these as statements of fact, not political opinion:
Just so you know:
1) A large portion (>50%) of the US is IN FAVOR OF gun control. Don't believe the absurd movies. Yes, we have a weird subculture of guns, but don't tell me there aren't just as weird subcultures in the EU.
2) I don't know your position, but I'm of the opinion we're all in this together?
3) Judging by GWB's recent 60% approval rating (and falling), a large portion of the US also thinks he's a bit of a moron. (If it weren't for "supporting the President", it'd be much lower. Some of us support the Presidency but not the President.)

Incorrect generalities about the US being a cowboy, gun-toting, super-sized, Jerry Springer-watching land drive us as crazy as I'm sure generalities about the EU drive you! It only serves to increase the wedge between the EU and the US, and accomplishes nothing positive. Our movies and entertainment (especially the ones that sell well overseas) are not our country.

Oh, and also - 4) you're going to mock baseball? That's hitting below the belt! I have one word for you - cricket.

(Shouldn't this thread be spun off?)

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Re: Re: My last explanitory word on this

Originally posted by FourFourSeven
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Oh, and also - 4) you're going to mock baseball? That's hitting below the belt! I have one word for you - cricket.

(Shouldn't this thread be spun off?)

That is a bit harsh but you’ve missed the mark.

To us Scots cricket is a game for the soft suvvern English

 

[dreamer]

It's good to see some healthy bantering. This forum was getting boring with people trying to make cute comments about nothing and start game-threads and all. And to think I missed out on this one because I've been busy the past few days.

I'm glad the whole world isn't run as tyranically as Disney World and we're allowed to get messy and then still once or twice a year willingly subject ourselves to Disney's despotism for the privilege of paying thousands of dollars.

For those who don't see it, I would point out that the British and Americans are and should remain best of friends and this whole Iraq thing aside I'm glad for an ally because even if we don't go to war now I'm sure there will be another war someday.


As for lawsuits, we are all suffering the effects of greedy lawyers and I've wondered in previous posts how much of a $50 ticket goes toward paying Disney's liability insurance and for extra employees to help protect guests from their own stupidity. I actually think some people believe Disney magic means that the usual laws of nature and common sense are suspended.

As for the man who ended up unconscious on SM, it's my opinion that if he was hit by falling debris and if Disney knew about the falling debris problem, then Disney should pay. To me that's common sense. I don't think the risk of falling debris is one that people know about and accept before they get on SM. I surely didn't and will be wary of riding it in the future. I hope Disney will go ahead and put up nets -- however they may need to wait until this litigation is finished to avoid any admission of guilt.


PLEASE KEEP US POSTED about what happens in this matter if anyone sees any news.

 

[FlashStash]

A long-time lurker with a few comments:

1. As for the length of time between the injury and the lawsuit...this is very common. Lawsuits are always a LAST resort. I'm sure the family has been in constant contact with Disney trying to reslove the issue, and when you finally reach a point where a resolution outside the courts is not possible, you take the case to court. Happens this way all the time.

2. Would it be possible to require the age and SAT scores of every poster be posted along with their messages? That way intelligent people could avoid wasting their time arguing with ::ahem:: other people. :animwink:

FS

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Does that mean I should bring my helmet with me in the summer

 

[dreamer]

Oh, and I'm glad I got my two cents in before the powers that be closed off this thread even though it's after most of the dust has settled.

 

[dreamer]

Originally posted by happy snapper
Does that mean I should bring my helmet with me in the summer

Only if you're gonna be there June 15 to 21 when I'll be there and you try to push ahead of me in the Mission Space line.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Originally posted by dreamer
Only if you're gonna be there June 15 to 21 when I'll be there and you try to push ahead of me in the Mission Space line.

I d need full body armour to protect me if your wallet were to fall out during a ride

 

[dreamer]

Originally posted by happy snapper
I d need full body armour to protect me if your wallet were to fall out during a ride

You could keep it if you promise not to sue.

 

[Dizneydude87]

In my humble opinion, I feel that this could be Disney's fault. Disney can't always be perfect. No matter how magical the place is, it isn't at the same time. Disney represents magic, and won't always be magical for everyone, everyday. No matter how magical is is, reality will always come in at some point for someone. That's the realty at Disney. Sadly, there are people in this world who will sue and sue just for the ca$h! But there are still good, honest people in this world. We all know that this guy could have stood up and harmed himself. Even if Disney says it's not possible to get hurt from standing up due to low clearance, it is. When I rode Space Mountain on 2/15/03 I put my hands up in the explosion tunnel to see how tall it was. My hand did in fact hit the top of the tunnel. Now if I would have broken my finger doing that, I would NOT sue because it was my fault. Hence: RIDER ERROR. But that is not always the case. This guy was a doctor, and he apparently knew there would be a risk with standing up, and he obviously knew that some kind of trauma would result had an accident token place. I also think this guy is not totally in it for the money. He apparently is loaded, being a doctor...heck, a lot of his family were doctors. Maybe he is suing for them to take some safety measures. I'm done, continue bashing

 

[FourFourSeven]

Re: Re: Re: My last explanitory word on this

Originally posted by happy snapper
That is a bit harsh but you’ve missed the mark.

To us Scots cricket is a game for the soft suvvern English

Didn't realize you're from Scotland. You have redeemed yourself - having invented the greatest game of all (I'm part Scot, so I can take credit too.)

Anyway, I spent several months in Aberdeen on business a few years ago - it seemed that there were only two things on the telly:
1) Terrible US sitcoms that were low-rated or cancelled over here, and
2) Cricket.

So even if you Scots don't actually partake in cricket, it sure seemed you watched a wee bit. Ah, well, blame it on the BBC. I actually tried to watch it for three hours (or four, or five, or fifteen - it went on and on). I simply couldn't see how it was any different from watching paint dry. I simply don't get it...

 

[darthdarrel]

Re: Re: My last explanitory word on this

Originally posted by FourFourSeven
I'll try to keep these as statements of fact, not political opinion:
Just so you know:
1) A large portion (>50%) of the US is IN FAVOR OF gun control. Don't believe the absurd movies. Yes, we have a weird subculture of guns, but don't tell me there aren't just as weird subcultures in the EU.
2) I don't know your position, but I'm of the opinion we're all in this together?
3) Judging by GWB's recent 60% approval rating (and falling), a large portion of the US also thinks he's a bit of a moron. (If it weren't for "supporting the President", it'd be much lower. Some of us support the Presidency but not the President.)

Incorrect generalities about the US being a cowboy, gun-toting, super-sized, Jerry Springer-watching land drive us as crazy as I'm sure generalities about the EU drive you! It only serves to increase the wedge between the EU and the US, and accomplishes nothing positive. Our movies and entertainment (especially the ones that sell well overseas) are not our country.

Oh, and also - 4) you're going to mock baseball? That's hitting below the belt! I have one word for you - cricket.

(Shouldn't this thread be spun off?)

Ummm...PLEASE STOP WITH THE POLITICS? I`m sorry But I am proud of President Bush and doing a GREAT job with what he was given,SO STOP WITH THE PRESIDENT BASHING!!!!!

 

[Dandyboing]

Heh, yah, this was supposed to be a topic about the lawsuit, not whether on not America is better then England, and vice versa.

 

[Shaman]

I read this article and all I could think about is what luck this guy had...so many coincidences, lets see he would have had to be right under or heading right towards the object as it fell from above. How big was the object that hit this guys head again? And even if something did fall and hit his head, according to him he blacked out and didn't know what had happen...in my opinion those are grounds to dismiss the case, unless someone else saw something fall and hit the guy...but then again how can anyone see anything if all there is...is pitch darkness...the guy even has short term memory loss (or claims to have it). Even if he has money that doesn't mean he isn't looking for more, besides who better to fake an injury than a doctor. Just a thought.

 

[Merlin]

Originally posted by objr
I read this article and all I could think about is what luck this guy had...so many coincidences,

I don't know that it is so astonishing that something hit the guy. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. I mean, how many rockets do they have going at any one time? Plus, the article said Space Mountain is unusual in that the track criss-crosses so many times (as a coaster buff, I can confirm this). Both of these variables can increase the odds of someone getting hit (depending on the number of each). The other main variable would be how often things are dropped from the rockets that are near the top of the tracks. I wouldn't have thought this would be a very common occurrence. But evidentally, a large number of objects are found every day on the floor of the attraction.

 

[DisneyWonders07]

Just one thing to say, most of you are adults, correct? Well I'm 15 years old, and I seem to be more mature than some of you, cause I'm not insulting anyone or making any rude comments toward you. Just a thought at how childish some of you are acting...