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EPCOT Space 220 Restaurant dining experience at Epcot's Future World

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
You’re striving to make arbitrary distinctions here. I didn’t actually count Nemo as screen based, but Gran Fiesta absolutely is. Spidey has just as many integral (and much more elaborate) physical sets - the loading bay with the Spidey Signal, the truck, the floating Liberty head, the exploding bridge, etc - the only reason to attempt a distinction is because you want to count one and not the other.

And their is no reason not to count EPCOTs movies, which are touted as attractions. If you eliminate them, EPCOTs ride count plummets. And does that also eliminate Shrek? What about Fallon? How much does a theatre need to move before it stops being an “exhibit?”
I don't know anyone, when counting *rides*, adds in theater shows. The count for rides at EPCOT has been under 10 for a long time. And everytime I've posted a single-digit count of EPCOT rides (or DAK or DHS rides), no one has ever tried to correct me by adding in O Canada or Festival of the Lion King or Frozen Singalong.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
I don't know anyone, when counting *rides*, adds in theater shows. The count for rides at EPCOT has been under 10 for a long time. And everytime I've posted a single-digit count of EPCOT rides (or DAK or DHS rides), no one has ever tried to correct me by adding in O Canada or Festival of the Lion King or Frozen Singalong.
I knew, with complete certainty, that the ride/ attraction hair-splitting was going to be brought up by the WDW Defense Crew (I say that as a self-aware member of the Uni Defense Crew). I was remiss in not replacing all uses of the word "ride" with "attraction." Disney, on their guide maps, list Festival and Everest and all the other "rides" and "shows" in the same category - "attractions." The distinction only really matters when one is trying to prove EPCOT and MGM aren't REALLY that screen-reliant by dismissing a whole bunch of the parks' content. And it leads to absurdities - according to this logic, Universal Studios would be LESS screen reliant if Fallon and Simpsons didn't move and were simply static films, because then they could be dismissed as irrelevant to the discussion. In other words, being MORE screen reliant would make the park LESS screen reliant by this method of measurement.
 

Demarke

Have I told you lately that I 👍 you?
To lump Spider-man in with the rest of those shows your bias.
To be fair, I’m likely to only keep my Universal AP after my platinum Disney expires (after the recent changes) and I actually edited my comment to add Spiderman after seeing another comment and realizing I didn’t remember much else about the ride other than being jerked from one screen to another. I like both parks, don’t like screen-heavy station-to-station rides, and stand by my statement!
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
I knew, with complete certainty, that the ride/ attraction hair-splitting was going to be brought up by the WDW Defense Crew (I say that as a self-aware member of the Uni Defense Crew). I was remiss in not replacing all uses of the word "ride" with "attraction." Disney, on their guide maps, list Festival and Everest and all the other "rides" and "shows" in the same category - "attractions." The distinction only really matters when one is trying to prove EPCOT and MGM aren't REALLY that screen-reliant by dismissing a whole bunch of the parks' content. And it leads to absurdities - according to this logic, Universal Studios would be LESS screen reliant if Fallon and Simpsons didn't move and were simply static films, because then they could be dismissed as irrelevant to the discussion. In other words, being MORE screen reliant would make the park LESS screen reliant by this method of measurement.

I don't really understand this line of thinking. Rides and films are different things; no one cares if a movie is screen based because that's what a movie is. If Simpsons and Fallon were simply films, then Universal would just have less rides -- but they also would have been designed differently from the start.

I also don't see how that has anything to do with WDW Defense Crew, considering I would never lump in the EPCOT films with the rides and absolutely no one who's been here for more than a couple of weeks would even consider calling me WDW Defense Crew -- I'm among the most critical posters here. The World Showcase films are great and should stay (I'd like there to be even more of them), and they certainly help with capacity, but they're not rides.

Although the films don't fall into this category (in that they are legitimate attractions), Disney has a history of being very liberal in labeling things as attractions. They call the Cinderella Castle an attraction, as well as the Leave a Legacy blocks at EPCOT and a bunch of individual animals at Animal Kingdom (in addition to calling the trails themselves attractions).
 
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Tom Morrow

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You’re striving to make arbitrary distinctions here. I didn’t actually count Nemo as screen based, but Gran Fiesta absolutely is. Spidey has just as many integral (and much more elaborate) physical sets - the loading bay with the Spidey Signal, the truck, the floating Liberty head, the exploding bridge, etc - the only reason to attempt a distinction is because you want to count one and not the other.

And their is no reason not to count EPCOTs movies, which are touted as attractions. If you eliminate them, EPCOTs ride count plummets. And does that also eliminate Shrek? What about Fallon? How much does a theatre need to move before it stops being an “exhibit?”

I believe the distinction would be "do you sit in some sort of moving vehicle?". Fallon is absolutely a ride, Shrek is a show where your butt bounces to mimic Shrek's butt or something.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
I believe the distinction would be "do you sit in some sort of moving vehicle?". Fallon is absolutely a ride, Shrek is a show where your butt bounces to mimic Shrek's butt or something.
Why not say that the distinction is that shows rely on live human performers to a considerable extent and run at set times rather then continuously - so Festival is a show and Bugs isn’t. Isn’t that arbitrary distinction just as logical?

Or how about just acknowledging that this is silly hair-splitting and even Disney doesn’t distinguish between “shows” and “rides” and we can just call them “attractions,” because guests experience them all as entertainment consumed during a day in the park?
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Na'Vi is NOT screen based. There are, I think, three screens and they are set dressing or an animation behind physical sets. As others said, it absolutely needs more animatronics but no, it is not a "screen ride". Rides like Nemo and Gran Fiesta Tour is where it gets a little muddier, as you still technically have a ride with physical setpieces even if the screens are turned off, as opposed to Universal's screen attractions where you wouldn't have a show scene at all if the screen was off. Before you mention Spider-Man and the like having physical setpieces as well, the ride vehicles whiz by them and park at the screens.

Literal films like Reflections of China, Impressions de France, or O' Canada should not be included in the count in a discussion about rides. These films are more exhibits than anything. By my count, Epcot has three rides that are undeniably screen rides (Mission: SPACE, Soarin', Ratatouille), and two that are arguably one way or the other (Nemo, Gran Fiesta Tour).


Are we counting the lily pad things above you, as those are basically screens/projections.

Also, when we mention the "screenz!" argument, is projection mapping considered screen-based also?

There's a lot of nuance IMO with this type of discussion...technology is advancing and I think the mixture of physical set pieces with screens if it's a moving ride vehicle is the best method for immersion.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Why not say that the distinction is that shows rely on live human performers to a considerable extent and run at set times rather then continuously - so Festival is a show and Bugs isn’t. Isn’t that arbitrary distinction just as logical?

Or how about just acknowledging that this is silly hair-splitting and even Disney doesn’t distinguish between “shows” and “rides” and we can just call them “attractions,” because guests experience them all as entertainment consumed during a day in the park?

No, I think your example of categorizing shows as live performances only is illogical. There is a very clear distinction between a ride and a show. We're discussing screen rides, not screen attractions. A 3D theater attraction that doesn't utilize any type of ride vehicle is a show. Disney also doesn't like to call their rides "rides" because they want you to think of them as the thematic experience they are attempting to be. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by suggesting categorizing Impressions de France with Race Through New York other than Disney Bad, Universal Good.

Are we counting the lily pad things above you, as those are basically screens/projections.

Also, when we mention the "screenz!" argument, is projection mapping considered screen-based also?

There's a lot of nuance IMO with this type of discussion...technology is advancing and I think the mixture of physical set pieces with screens if it's a moving ride vehicle is the best method for immersion.

I believe the distinction between "screen rides" and "rides that utilize screens" should be made, and this is how I would categorize them:

1. If the screens are the show scenes, as in, there might be physical sets around the screen but most or all of the action is happening on the screen, and
2. If more than 1/2 of the ride time is utilizing said screens

= screen ride

1. If the ride uses screens but they are not the primary focus of the scene, IE "set enhancement", or
2. If the screen-focused segments are less than 1/2 of the ride time

= a ride that utilizes screens

- All traditional simulators, both theater based and simulator cabin/pod/capsule based are obviously screen rides. (Flight of Passage, Star Tours, Smuggler's Run, Simpsons, Fallon, etc)
- MuppetVision, Shrek - not rides, so not screen rides.
- Toy Story Midway Mania - the screens are 95% of the experience, so, screen ride.
- Rise of the Resistance and Na'Vi River Journey - not screen rides, the screens function as set enhancement. The final escape pod segment on ROTR is only a small portion of the overall ride time.
- Spider-Man is perhaps 75%/25% screen/physical scene. There are ample physical sets but the majority of the ride time has you focused on the screens. It's a screen ride but fair to call it a simulator/dark ride hybrid.
- Transformers is like 90% screen, and the physical sets only serve as transitions between the screens. Definite screen ride.
- Forbidden Journey is almost exactly 50/50, not a "screen ride", but a "ride that uses screens".
- Ratatouille - definite screen ride.
 
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Hawg G

Well-Known Member
I don't know anyone, when counting *rides*, adds in theater shows. The count for rides at EPCOT has been under 10 for a long time. And everytime I've posted a single-digit count of EPCOT rides (or DAK or DHS rides), no one has ever tried to correct me by adding in O Canada or Festival of the Lion King or Frozen Singalong.
And let's be honest Gran Fiesta, Land, Imagination, and Nemo are B tickets.
 

Zipadeelady

Well-Known Member
Well obviously Space 220 is a screen ride.
If only Universal had thought of a restaurant concept using screens to make you think you are somewhere else first.
I get it but to spend two full pages arguing over if a screen makes it a ride or not is ridiculous (which it doesn't by the way). I just want to know how Space 220 is. Is it hard to get a table before the reservations start? How long was the wait? How's the food? What does screens from UNI, Oh Canada, China... or wherever else matter in this thread.
 

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