fizzle75
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Amen brother,on all counts!:sohappy:
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Amen brother,on all counts!:sohappy:
Figment82
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It has always bothered me that this movie is kept locked away while movies like Gone With the Wind and Holiday Inn, which (in my opinion) could be found offensive than SotS, are heralded as classics.
This movie is innocent, it was not made with racist intentions. And I can't tell you how many people ride or see Splash Mountain and have no clue what the story is about or who the characters are. It's a real shame...
This movie is innocent, it was not made with racist intentions. And I can't tell you how many people ride or see Splash Mountain and have no clue what the story is about or who the characters are. It's a real shame...
WDWFigment
Well-Known Member
I downloaded an ISO of the European release from www.thepiratebay.org in the fall. It's the same thing that typically goes for $150+ on eBay. If I weren't concerned with being a law abiding citizen, I'm sure I could make some serious cash burning copies and selling them like those idiots.
In any case, if you want an option that's of better quality (albeit more time consuming) than YouTube, torrenting is the way to go.
In any case, if you want an option that's of better quality (albeit more time consuming) than YouTube, torrenting is the way to go.
POOHKILLEDTOAD
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I know this is not a political message board, but I long for the day that all this political correctness B.S. is gone.:zipit:
fizzle75
New Member
Wow,is it really going for that much on Ebay now? I started to buy it about 7-8 months ago on Ebay but for whatever reason I put it off. Back then you could get it for about the same price you would pay for a new DVD at any retail outlet. Man,why did I wait?!?!
Do you know of any other online sources for the actual DVD that MIGHT be cheaper than Ebay?
barnum42
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I love Blazing Saddles. Deliciously un-PC and manages to poke fun at all sorts.
There used to be a number comedy series on BBC revolving around a bigoted character called Alf Garnet that got the PC overly anti-racists in a pickle. He spouted stupid racist tirades - but the joke was against the idiots that would say such stupid things and so expose them for the morons they are.
However the PC crowd would fear that people would think it was promoting racism as a positive thing.
barnum42
New Member
It's a pirate company, selling a pirated product. Anyone giving their credit card details to them will do so at great risk.
fizzle75
New Member
Actually,and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, the DVD sold on Ebay is an actual release that was manufactured for Disneyland Paris. Someone help me out here, am I right or wrong?
Figment82
Well-Known Member
Yup, that's what I figured, and that's why I stayed away from it.
Actually wasn't it a PAL version. I got my SotS from the UK. I purchased a PAL which was converted there to VHS and both the PAL and VHS were shipped to me. My understanding was that it was legal (then) to sell the PAL and include the converted VHS with it.
sbkline
Well-Known Member
I love Blazing Saddles. Deliciously un-PC and manages to poke fun at all sorts.
There used to be a number comedy series on BBC revolving around a bigoted character called Alf Garnet that got the PC overly anti-racists in a pickle. He spouted stupid racist tirades - but the joke was against the idiots that would say such stupid things and so expose them for the morons they are.
However the PC crowd would fear that people would think it was promoting racism as a positive thing.
Sounds like a show that aired over here in the 70's called "All in the Family". It was airing on re-runs as recently as a year or so ago, and I always got a kick out of watching it. Alot of PC liberals didn't like the show, but they were so wrapped up in their Political Correctness that they were oblivious to the fact that the show was actually AGREEING with them in that the racist character, Archie Bunker was always made a fool of and exposed for the moron that he was.
Incidentally, that show is yet another example of the double standard in our society. Archie Bunker, the main character in that show, was the stereotype for conservative Christian Republicans. Such people were portrayed and stereotyped in the person of Archie as being self righteous, hypocrital, racist people who claimed to be Christians but had no clue what the Bible teaches. For some reason, that kind of stereotyping is perfectly acceptable, but God forbid that you do a harmless stereotype or characature of a black person, or a person of any other race and religion besides white Christians.
And by the way, for what it's worth, even though it was my demographic being stereotyped and made fun of, I still enjoyed the show and found it quite hillarious. I wish others besides myself could be thick skinned enough to learn to laugh and poke fun at themselves instead of getting all worked up. :lookaroun
Ragetti
Member
Not to be snarky, but the behaviors you object to involve consenting adults (with the exception of adultery I suppose), while I doubt most victims of racism consent to such treatment.
Having said that, I wish this movie were available, even if released quietly. History isn't best dealt with by sweeping it under a rug, or lockign in the Disney Vault.
barnum42
New Member
PAL is the version used in the UK.
One suspects that it's a bit grey as to the legality of converting it, but at least Disney can't moan too much as you own a legal copy that's only be converted for you personal use - much like buying a CD and ripping it to mp3 for a portable player.
barnum42
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Archie Bunker! Thank you. I knew there was an American link. They adapted Alf Garnet for American audiences, and Archie Bunker was the result. Just checked and here is the source - http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/t/tilldeathusdopar_7776335.shtml
barnum42
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History is not dealt with very well by Hollywood at all. :lol: For example, America did not single handedly win World War II, Custer was not a fine upstanding person, all English people are not evil (a lot, but not all) and what the *&^% were they thinking about on U571
Ragetti
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History is not dealt with very well by Hollywood at all. :lol: For example, America did not single handedly win World War II, Custer was not a fine upstanding person, all English people are not evil (a lot, but not all) and what the *&^% were they thinking about on U571
:lol: I should have been more clear. It's not that I feel the film accurately represents history, it's that I feel it IS history. It's part of the conversation about race that was happening in the 40's and 50's. Even if it is offensive (and i could see how some would be offended by it), it is a snapshot. It's isn;t a contemporary work, it is an historical one. To ignore it, or worse, suppress it, would be a terrible whitewash of our history. And it does have some great stories in it.
After all, if I was a Native American, I wouldn't be thrilled about how my people are represented in Peter Pan, which is being re-released Tuesday. But that depiction is only one aspect of a wonderful film.
sbkline
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Granted, I've never seen SOtS, but from all I've heard, there was nothing racist, or even stereotypical about the movie. And even if it was stereotypical, I see nothing wrong with it, myself. But I digress. To me, it's simply a matter of honestly portraying how a person or a people would have talked in a particular place in a particular point in time. If we watch a modern TV show today and there is a charcter from England, is it "racist" or stereotyping for that character to be depicted with an English accent, speaking the slang of his country? Heavens no. It's just a depiction of how people from England speak.
Similarly, there is not a darn thing wrong, racist, stereotypical or otherwise offensive about acknowledging how uneducated black people in the South in the Civil War era and post-Civil war era spoke and portraying that in a movie taking place in that time period.
And while I'm on this rant, let me point out another aspect of this double standard that I hate so much. In the Disney Treasures editions of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc, that guy always does his little spiel right before any cartoon short that has supposed stereotypes. He will warn us of the stereotype of some Indian, or black guy or what have you. Yet, as we were watching the Mickey Mouse shorts on the Disney Treasures, I noticed one cartoon where a character ended up with something resembling a Scottish Kilt, and then the background music started playing scottish dance music as the character started to dance. Now, IMO, there is not a dimes bit of difference between that and another cartoon where the character ends up with something resembling an Indian head dress and then proceeds to do an Indian dance accompanied by the music. Yet, in the latter, the guy comes on before the cartoon plays and does his spiel about stereotypes, yet I noticed that in the former, he is nowhere to be seen.
Apparently, to do a caricature or stereotype of a white European people is somehow acceptable, whereas if the same is done of any other demographic, people scream bloody murder and you can't air the cartoon without having some clown get on there before the cartoon plays lecturing of the evils of stereotyping.
Similarly, there is not a darn thing wrong, racist, stereotypical or otherwise offensive about acknowledging how uneducated black people in the South in the Civil War era and post-Civil war era spoke and portraying that in a movie taking place in that time period.
And while I'm on this rant, let me point out another aspect of this double standard that I hate so much. In the Disney Treasures editions of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc, that guy always does his little spiel right before any cartoon short that has supposed stereotypes. He will warn us of the stereotype of some Indian, or black guy or what have you. Yet, as we were watching the Mickey Mouse shorts on the Disney Treasures, I noticed one cartoon where a character ended up with something resembling a Scottish Kilt, and then the background music started playing scottish dance music as the character started to dance. Now, IMO, there is not a dimes bit of difference between that and another cartoon where the character ends up with something resembling an Indian head dress and then proceeds to do an Indian dance accompanied by the music. Yet, in the latter, the guy comes on before the cartoon plays and does his spiel about stereotypes, yet I noticed that in the former, he is nowhere to be seen.
Apparently, to do a caricature or stereotype of a white European people is somehow acceptable, whereas if the same is done of any other demographic, people scream bloody murder and you can't air the cartoon without having some clown get on there before the cartoon plays lecturing of the evils of stereotyping.
Astro_Digital
Active Member
Excellent point I made "Peter Pan" is okay but "Song of the South" is not talk about a double standard. Take the film in historical context !! Now if Disney thinks young children would not understand and they likely will not; It should be a parent's responsibility to talk to their kids about racism.