Someone else using magic band for parking?

[CaptainAmerica]

True, but they are doing it to bypass the parking fee that the other car would have paid if they were not with them. That's the difference.

Hypothetical 1:

A cast member uses his merchandise discount to buy Monopoly: Disney Theme Park Edition. Surely you wouldn't argue that it would only be appropriate for the cast member to play his Monopoly game with other cast members who also would have been entitled to the same discount. It's the same thing.

Hypothetical 2:

What if only @sean4066 was a passholder entitled to free park and the rest of his family was not. Sean is driving to the Magic Kingdom with his non-passholder wife and non-passholder two kids in the back seat. Surely you're not suggesting that this is inappropriate.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Sorry Goof, you're wrong on this one. Free parking has nothing to do with the individuals, it has everything to do with the vehicle. If there's a passholder in the vehicle, the vehicle parks for free. It doesn't make a difference if there are ten people in the back seat who aren't passholders.

You are correct, except he says that they meet at a place, and then his wife switches cars in order to bypass the fee. Without that switch, the other vehicle pays the fee. That is where the difference is. Look, people are going to do what the want because they think they are entitled to do it.

We have handicap plates on our car, and a placard for when we are in a different vehicle. So by your definition, we should be able to give our placard to someone else to use in their vehicle, so that we can park close together in the parking lot. That way, they won't have to ride a tram, but can park close enough to walk.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

We have handicap plates on our car, and a placard for when we are in a different vehicle. So by your definition, we should be able to give our placard to someone else to use in their vehicle, so that we can park close together in the parking lot. That way, they won't have to ride a tram, but can park close enough to walk.

No, that would be the equivalent of giving someone your band, to which I object. A better analogy would be if you had two people in your immediate family who were handicapped and they were riding in two separate vehicles. In that case, both vehicles would be eligible for handicapped parking.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Hypothetical 1:

A cast member uses his merchandise discount to buy Monopoly: Disney Theme Park Edition. Surely you wouldn't argue that it would only be appropriate for the cast member to play his Monopoly game with other cast members who also would have been entitled to the same discount. It's the same thing.

Hypothetical 2:

What if only @sean4066 was a passholder entitled to free park and the rest of his family was not. Sean is driving to the Magic Kingdom with his non-passholder wife and non-passholder two kids in the back seat. Surely you're not suggesting that this is inappropriate.

Hypothetical 1:
The CM can even give the game as a gift to anyone he chooses. Not the same thing at all.

Hypothetical 2:
Of course it is OK, since he is the passholder in his car with his family. What would NOT be right is if he gave his MB to his wife that doesn't have an AP to try and park for free without him in the car at all.

 

[sean4066]

Because your friends don't have passes. I understand wanting to help a friend, but it is technically cheating.

So in the past I have had friends/family that have travel to Florida and stayed on property. We have driven from our home in fort Myers to meet them. We would drive to their hotel on property and told the gate attendant who we were visiting and the let us in. We park meet our friends/family hop on a bus and go to the parks for the day. So did I cheat the system? Or is this a perk that Disney allows their guests to use ?

 

[LuvtheGoof]

No, that would be the equivalent of giving someone your band, to which I object. A better analogy would be if you had two people in your immediate family who were handicapped and they were riding in two separate vehicles. In that case, both vehicles would be eligible for handicapped parking.

What's the difference? The car she switches to is NOT their car. She would not normally ride in that vehicle, but would ride with her husband, but is doing so only to bypass the parking fee for the second car, that would have to pay the fee if she wasn't there.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

So in the past I have had friends/family that have travel to Florida and stayed on property. We have driven from our home in fort Myers to meet them. We would drive to their hotel on property and told the gate attendant who we were visiting and the let us in. We park meet our friends/family hop on a bus and go to the parks for the day. So did I cheat the system? Or is this a perk that Disney allows their guests to use ?

Nope, that's not cheating as Disney allows anyone to use their transportation system once you are on property.

EDIT: Now if you park at DS, then bus to SSR, and then bus to park just to avoid the parking fee, then yes, that is cheating. Of course, since you have an AP, you park for free anyway.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

What's the difference? The car she switches to is NOT their car. She would not normally ride in that vehicle, but would ride with her husband, but is doing so only to bypass the parking fee for the second car, that would have to pay the fee if she wasn't there.

There's nothing that says a husband and wife have to travel to the theme parks together, even if that would be the way it works in the majority of cases. If you buy four annual passes for your family, each pass is entitled to the full benefits thereof. There's nothing untoward about splitting up the group because it's not a "group" pass, it's four individual passes. They could show up in four separate cars full of non-passholder friends if the kids are old enough to drive, and that would be perfectly fine. There's no rule that says a family of four must all enter a park in the same vehicle and that only the one vehicle is eligible for the free parking.

 

[sean4066]

Because your friends don't have passes. I understand wanting to help a friend, but it is technically cheating.

Ok so my 14 year old son(who has been a pass holder for 4 years now) gets invited to go to Disney with one of his fiends family who do not have passes. The pull up to the plaza and he (my son the pass holder) sticks his wrist out and the cast member who then scans it and and let's them pass through. My question is is this cheating the system ?

 

[LuvtheGoof]

There's nothing that says a husband and wife have to travel to the theme parks together, even if that would be the way it works in the majority of cases. If you buy four annual passes for your family, each pass is entitled to the full benefits thereof. There's nothing untoward about splitting up the group because it's not a "group" pass, it's four individual passes. They could show up in four separate cars full of non-passholder friends if the kids are old enough to drive, and that would be perfectly fine. There's no rule that says a family of four must all enter a park in the same vehicle and that only the one vehicle is eligible for the free parking.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

Nope, that's not cheating as Disney allows anyone to use their transportation system once you are on property.

EDIT: Now if you park at DS, then bus to SSR, and then bus to park just to avoid the parking fee, then yes, that is cheating. Of course, since you have an AP, you park for free anyway.

This logis doesn't make any sense. You're ok with someone parking at a resort to meet with friends and then busing over to the parks, but you're not ok with meeting up before hand and having a passholder ride in with non-passholders?

I just can't see the logic in this, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Ok so my 14 year old son(who has been a pass holder for 4 years now) gets invited to go to Disney with one of his fiends family who do not have passes. The pull up to the plaza and he (my son the pass holder) sticks his wrist out and the cast member who then scans it and and let's them pass through. My question is is this cheating the system ?

Since he was invited by them, and you aren't going in a separate car just to avoid the fee, then I don't see an issue with it. I know that it is splitting hairs, but there is always a fine line between actions.

 

[sean4066]

Nope, that's not cheating as Disney allows anyone to use their transportation system once you are on property.

EDIT: Now if you park at DS, then bus to SSR, and then bus to park just to avoid the parking fee, then yes, that is cheating. Of course, since you have an AP, you park for free anyway.

No passes but the cast member at the gate allows them in to park and spend the day. They didn't pay to park.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

This logis doesn't make any sense. You're ok with someone parking at a resort to meet with friends and then busing over to the parks, but you're not ok with meeting up before hand and having a passholder ride in with non-passholders?

I just can't see the logic in this, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Because when they go to the resort that the friend is staying at, they are not trying to bypass the parking fee at the park. He didn't say that they were meeting at a resort that no one was staying at, just to avoid the fee. That is certainly cheating as well.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

No passes but the cast member at the gate allows them in to park and spend the day. They didn't pay to park.

Disney doesn't charge for parking at their resorts yet, but you can bet it's coming for non-resort guests in the future. Right or wrong, it will probably be more expensive than the parks, though I'm sure there will be a grace period for those going to eat dinner at a resort.

And it is absolutely cheating if you are parking at a resort for the sole purpose of not paying for parking at a theme park.

 

[sean4066]

Disney doesn't charge for parking at their resorts yet, but you can bet it's coming for non-resort guests in the future. Right or wrong, it will probably be more expensive than the parks, though I'm sure there will be a grace period for those going to eat dinner at a resort.

And it is absolutely cheating if you are parking at a resort for the sole purpose of not paying for parking at a theme park.

You are contradicting yourself.
The bottom line is Disney does not feel this is cheating the system. Because if they did it wouldn't be allowed. I'm sorry but I have paid for my families passes for the past four years and parking is included with each pass. Just like the dining discount is so when I am with a group of people and the bill comes to me I show them my pass and save money on the whole bill.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

You are contradicting yourself.
The bottom line is Disney does not feel this is cheating the system. Because if they did it wouldn't be allowed. I'm sorry but I have paid for my families passes for the past four years and parking is included with each pass. Just like the dining discount is so when I am with a group of people and the bill comes to me I show them my pass and save money on the whole bill.

Exactly how am I contradicting myself? If you are trying to avoid paying the parking fee, regardless of the situation, it is cheating. If you are meeting a friend at a resort that the friend is staying at, and you all ride a bus together, you are not cheating, as your friend isn't driving to a park. You aren't trying to avoid a fee, since you don't have to pay it anyway. Like I said, it's a thin line, and there are multiple scenarios under which it is perfectly acceptable, and some that are not.

And what part of it do you think Disney does not consider it cheating? You wife getting into someones car for the sole purpose of not paying for parking? Parking at a resort to avoid a fee? Parking at DS to avoid a fee? Why do you think you can no longer take a bus directly to a park from DS? Because locals without free parking filled the lots to avoid the fee. That's why I believe that Disney will also start charging non-resort guests to park at their resorts, but give them a grace period if they are just eating a meal. After that, you get charged.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

Exactly how am I contradicting myself? If you are trying to avoid paying the parking fee, regardless of the situation, it is cheating. If you are meeting a friend at a resort that the friend is staying at, and you all ride a bus together, you are not cheating, as your friend isn't driving to a park. You aren't trying to avoid a fee, since you don't have to pay it anyway. Like I said, it's a thin line, and there are multiple scenarios under which it is perfectly acceptable, and some that are not.

And what part of it do you think Disney does not consider it cheating? You wife getting into someones car for the sole purpose of not paying for parking? Parking at a resort to avoid a fee? Parking at DS to avoid a fee? Why do you think you can no longer take a bus directly to a park from DS? Because locals without free parking filled the lots to avoid the fee. That's why I believe that Disney will also start charging non-resort guests to park at their resorts, but give them a grace period if they are just eating a meal. After that, you get charged.

I think what people should do then is ride with the guest from the original destination. This way we don't have to switch cars before hand...does that make it ok in your book?

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I think what people should do then is ride with the guest from the original destination. This way we don't have to switch cars before hand...does that make it ok in your book?

If the guest is the only person with an AP, then that's OK. If a family is intentionally splitting up into multiple vehicles so that friends don't have to pay the fee, then I'm not OK with it, regardless of whether Disney thinks it's cheating. It's an integrity and moral issue.

We can agree to disagree on this one. I'm OK with that.

 

[Wdw62114]

Gotta love when someone is clearly wrong about something......but will defend an argument to death beyond what it needs to. The fun of forums