So, You Want to be an Imagineer Season 13: Get a Clue (Discussion Thread)

FigmentPigments

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I just realized I said Boston Bon. It was actually Biston Bob, which makes it much better :p

As for the flat land, driving here is completely different. All the roads are in a grid, everywhere, and the only time you go up or down is getting on and off the highway, or over bridges.

I think pretty much everything non-IP in DAK would fit with SEA. Dinosaur, Everest, Safaris. I think it could be a great way to fix Kali.
Seriously, my blue sky would be a park based around SEA with a way to tie Dinosaur, Everest, and Kali into it. :inlove: Pardon me while I go daydream about this.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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I'm incredibly frustrated today because it feels like I can't KEEP a friendship to save my life. I had a good friend I met in web design class who's family worked at the Disney Museum in San Francisco. We got a long really well every class and shared the common interest of loving cartoons to a very dorky level. I've been trying to get him to hang out with me all months after taking him to Discovery Kingdom in June and he's basically just choosing to ignore me. This ALWAYS happens. I always make what seems to be a good friend only for them to ignore me and push me to the side. I am not worth it. I don't know why I even try. I'll always be a disgusting piece of human trash no matter how hard I try. Being Autistic makes my personality INCREDIBLY unlikable to pretty much everyone.
 

FigmentPigments

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I'm incredibly frustrated today because it feels like I can't KEEP a friendship to save my life. I had a good friend I met in web design class who's family worked at the Disney Museum in San Francisco. We got a long really well every class and shared the common interest of loving cartoons to a very dorky level. I've been trying to get him to hang out with me all months after taking him to Discovery Kingdom in June and he's basically just choosing to ignore me. This ALWAYS happens. I always make what seems to be a good friend only for them to ignore me and push me to the side. I am not worth it. I don't know why I even try. I'll always be a disgusting piece of human trash no matter how hard I try. Being Autistic makes my personality INCREDIBLY unlikable to pretty much everyone.
Honestly, Tiki, it's him and not you. I can't even begin to understand being Autistic, but there are plenty of people out there that do this kind of thing regardless of whether a person is Autistic or not. They seem to really like you and can be your great friend in one situation, but they won't act on that friendship outside of that particular situation. This was what college was like for me. I became very close to several people in collage, went to their homes, became roommates, and did piratically everything together. I have not heard a peep out of them even though I drop them a line to see how they're doing. I reach out, but they don't respond back. Some people are like that, and it's one of the many things Americans are known for by foreigners. We are friendly, but we don't really become friends. As hard as it is, quality over quantity is always preferable in friendships. I'm sorry that this happened to someone you thought was a good friend. It's hard and frustrating, and I'm upset that this person probably doesn't realize how much his actions are affecting you.

Just try to remember that you just came back from Disneyland and enjoyed your time with several people who wanted to be with you. Don't let this person ruin your self-worth. There is NOTHING wrong with you. I know we previously discussed this earlier, but I could not do half the things you are doing right now without losing my mind. There is so much on your plate at this moment that I have mad respect that you continue to do everything you are doing and so well. Keep up the good work, and don't let this instance affect all the good that you're doing.
 

JokersWild

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Besides her being in the SEA picture, I haven't found any references to her otherwise at Mystic Manor. But I hope that this Mystic-esque look will not be prominent if SEA becomes a major presence in the states.

It seems a shame that Shanghai would not be involved in this attempt to tie most of the parks together through a group of characters with such an interesting and detailed history. I believe you are right though. China, while may have a Disney presence, seems to be more of an individual park when compared to the others. As far as I am aware, Shanghai has no English language used in any rides, but Tokyo at least has that option and Paris habitually has attractions that use both English and French. They've just about tied every other park to SEA in some way that I was hoping this trend would continue to Shanghai. Oh well, maybe there's more of a chance for SEA here.

Another question. What's you're take on Fortress Explorations? The SEA crest over there shows 1538, but Jason Chandler is considered the founder. Chandler wrote Bullion a letter around 1880 so there is some disconnect.
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What is your take on this? I've looked around but can't seem to find a satisfactory answer. The closest I could come to explain it, is that Chandler is the founder of the American/English branch. But again, I haven't actually been to the Fortress nor can I read Japanese so I'm suck on this.
Realistically it's a retcon. Headcanon, I'd say that Chandler restarted SEA. Or, at the very least, brought it to the US.

Seriously, my blue sky would be a park based around SEA with a way to tie Dinosaur, Everest, and Kali into it. :inlove: Pardon me while I go daydream about this.
We are totally on the same page with this. I have a SEA park that I've been trying to get off the ground for about a year now. It's kind of a mix between Discovery Bay, SEA, and a literature park.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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Honestly, Tiki, it's him and not you. I can't even begin to understand being Autistic, but there are plenty of people out there that do this kind of thing regardless of whether a person is Autistic or not. They seem to really like you and can be your great friend in one situation, but they won't act on that friendship outside of that particular situation. This was what college was like for me. I became very close to several people in collage, went to their homes, became roommates, and did piratically everything together. I have not heard a peep out of them even though I drop them a line to see how they're doing. I reach out, but they don't respond back. Some people are like that, and it's one of the many things Americans are known for by foreigners. We are friendly, but we don't really become friends. As hard as it is, quality over quantity is always preferable in friendships. I'm sorry that this happened to someone you thought was a good friend. It's hard and frustrating, and I'm upset that this person probably doesn't realize how much his actions are affecting you.

Just try to remember that you just came back from Disneyland and enjoyed your time with several people who wanted to be with you. Don't let this person ruin your self-worth. There is NOTHING wrong with you. I know we previously discussed this earlier, but I could not do half the things you are doing right now without losing my mind. There is so much on your plate at this moment that I have mad respect that you continue to do everything you are doing and so well. Keep up the good work, and don't let this instance affect all the good that you're doing.

I was over-reacting a bit today and being a little melodramatic about the whole thing. I found a copy of my student film a few weeks ago and I've been really wanting to show it to him but alas for some reason he's not answering his Facebook messages. I've been in a lot of patterns of situations where it seems like the person and I are really getting along and then all of a sudden they stop talking to me. Whenever something comes up that indicates that the pattern is continuing I go into panic mode and become really self-deprecating. At this point @JokersWild, @monkey92514, and @MANEATINGWREATH are probably my three closest and most loyal friends, distance between us be damned. Internet or no internet.

It seems like this is just a common thing that happens in college. I wouldn't mind it so much if it weren't for the pattern being so repititious. Part of my personality and the way my mental illness makes me percieve things is to always think I'm at fault whenever something like this turns up. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation and he wouldn't just turn a light switch in his head and start disliking me out of nowhere, I just get really paranoid about it. Ironically that paranoia unto itself is what's ruined most of my friendships.

But anyways, away from the therapy season let's get to Day Two of my trip report!

Arrived at the parks about 6:45 for Magic Mornings at Disneyland and went straight for Peter Pan. Peter Pan is essentially impossible to not wait in a slow moving 45-60 minute wait for if you're not among the first riders through its turnstiles, which I was!



Peter Pan is great for the most part, but I still prefer the old London scene with the tiny Christmas lights simulating cars and what-not. There was something really kinetic about that room which is somewhat lost with all the projection mapping. I still wish they'd take out the awkward second half and add in a large scale Skull Rock scene or something. The flight over Neverland continues to be by far the best room.

After that I hurried over to do Matterhorn. I hate Matterhorn's standby line because of how easy it is to line-jump from various points which always adds to the already long wait so it's another ride I do in the morning or not at all. Basically I love the ride's recent refurbishment and think it's honestly up there with Everest in some respects to how much build the yeti gets (And ours actually moves! :p :p )

Of course the problem with the ride is also its coolest feature from a historical point of view...The nearly 60 year old 1959 Arrow tubular steel track. Getting rid of it would literally be getting rid of what is historically the world's first modern steel coaster. Even replacing the track would kind of ruin the historical value. Of course that's what makes for the ride's infamously rough state, but I honestly don't mind the bumpiness. I do mind the freaking CRAMPED new bobsleds which for a tall guy like myself is pretty brutal on the legs! That's really the main problem with the ride in terms of discomfort. I can deal with the bumpiness in exchange for the historic legacy of the track itself.

After I got off that I took a quick ride on Storybookland which is always one of my favorites. I absolutely love the little area of Fantasyland that extends from Storybookland to Dumbo to Casey Jr. Absolutely beautiful out of the way area of the park and perfectly complimented by the music of Dumbo's organ!



Hyperspace was already an hour wait and Fastpass wasn't working yet, so I opted to do Buzz Lightyear. Fun ride which I thought I was getting better at when I was going through only to find out I only got to the second level :p I can see the appeal in it, and I really wish they would have had that ride when I was a kid because I would have gone nuts for it back then! So after a quick ride on the Astro Orbiter because hey, no line! I headed back down Main Street and like a mad man decided to participate in DCA's rope drop.



The second rope drop of my day...Keeping in mind I'm running in NO sleep still. How long will I be able to go before crashing at the motel? Will my opinions on Midway Mania change after getting on it a second time? And will I be able to get a full ride on Radiator Springs Racers? All this and more in the next exciting episode!
 
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FigmentPigments

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Realistically it's a retcon. Headcanon, I'd say that Chandler restarted SEA. Or, at the very least, brought it to the US.


We are totally on the same page with this. I have a SEA park that I've been trying to get off the ground for about a year now. It's kind of a mix between Discovery Bay, SEA, and a literature park.
Yeah, that's about as far as I got with Chandler as well. Nuts. I was secretly hoping that I had just overlooked something. ;)

If you ever get around to sharing this park, I would be greatly interested (or if it's already posted, please let me know). I love to see another SEA fan's ideas about a dedicated park. I'm excited just talking about it.

When you say literature, are you referring to HG Wells and Jules Verne? Or something else?
 

JokersWild

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Yeah, that's about as far as I got with Chandler as well. Nuts. I was secretly hoping that I had just overlooked something. ;)

If you ever get around to sharing this park, I would be greatly interested (or if it's already posted, please let me know). I love to see another SEA fan's ideas about a dedicated park. I'm excited just talking about it.

When you say literature, are you referring to HG Wells and Jules Verne? Or something else?
I've been planning to put it on the forums once it starts to really gain traction, but I haven't gotten too far into it yet. I have s master plan, a basic map, and story stuff. That's about the extent though. There's one attraction I tried writing twice, but I just wasn't satisfied by it.

In terms of literature, it's actually more Wells-inspired than anything. I have Nemo on the docket, but there's more from A Trip to the Moon, and The Time Machine. And, oddly enough, some Flemming, though not the one you'd think. It's very fanfic-y in the type of things present, but I've kind of just been rolling with it, haha.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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Trip Report Day Two Part Two

Got to California Adventure about five minutes before rope drop at Eight in the morning. There was already a massive wall of people waiting to get into Grizzly Peak Airfield so I opted that Soarin' would be at least a half hour queue if I got in it right away. I opted instead for Racers and participated in that mad dash. It's times like that in which I really appreciate DCA's wide walkways compared to Disneyland's cramped corridors. I made it to Racers with about a 15 minute wait in the queue. Always an incredibly solid ride and easily among the best in the resort. Not much to say about it beyond that.

Afterwards I decided to take a spin on Luigi's beings as though it was still a walk on. I was really excited to get to ride my first piece of trackless technology. What really impressed me with Luigi's was the queue. Mater's Junkyard is charming in its own right, but Luigi's is a great transitional story told just through going into the tire shop and then into the Italian beer gardens. It's seriously one of the nicest little corners of the park back there. As for the ride itself it's definitely fun and unpredictable but I think I prefer Mater's for the sheer fun factor that a flat ride gives you. Having said that I think Luigi's adds a really cool bit of kinetic energy to the entry into Cars Land through Flick's Fun Fair and it's definitely a lot of fun to watch.



Next up it was time to go on my second ever ride on Toy Story Midway Mania which I was fairly excited about. In spite of being within the park's first half hour of opperation I still ended up waiting about 45 minutes. My biggest complaint with Midway is the queue. Simply an unthemed mess of switchbacks that goes really slowly. I was loosing my patience with it in the heat that was getting abrasive really early on in the day. Fortunely I thought the ride itself was an absolute blast. I kind of just embraced the screens and gameplay mechanics and came away loving the sense of scale the attraction pulls off and all the different cool transitions from game to game that give the ride an overall fuller atmosphere than I ever gave it credit for.



California Screamin' was broken down so I decided to hit up the Silly Symphony Swings. What a lovely, fun ride that turned out to be :) Orange Stinger was one of the BIG red marks on DCA 1.0 and this was such an improvement. A huge amount of fun flying over the water without the eyesore of the orange blocking everything, and the music is wonderful. Turned into one of the biggest surprises of the trip. Wish I would have done it more than once looking back on it.

The lack of sleep was seriously starting to get to me in addition to the heat becoming more and more abrasive. I decided to do one last ride and then head back to the hotel for a much needed crash session. It was a great ride though. Ariel's Undersea Adventure is really under-rated in my opnion. First time I'd been on it and I had a great first impression. My favorite moment is the transition underwater and seeing Ariel swimming above you. Of course the ending is rushed and that's a major issue, but it's great to have a really solid D ticket dark ride that's also a hgue people eater!

Had a great experience with Mermaid but decided for the sake of my own health it was time to crash for a while. It was only about 10:30 AM so I still had plenty of time to enjoy the day after my nap. Walking out of the resort and back towards Harbor though, I saw the lines for the bag check and they looked absolutely horrible. It looked like the parks were getting more and more full as the day was going on and god only knew what was in store for me when I got back.

How bad will the crowds be on the second day? Will Jokers and I meet up? What was the most memorable moment not just of this trip, but of my entire Disneyland going history? All this and more in the day two wrap up!
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Since we are giving trip reports...I'll just do something quick. We went on a national parks excursion to Death Valley and a few others....but by far Death Valley has become my all-time favorite place (other than Disney of course:p) Anyone who enjoys national parks I highly recommend this. It's the lowest point in North America (282 feet below sea level) and has a ton to explore. We only touched the surface.

I got to walk on Tatooine!...it was surreal...it felt like you were actually on another planet. Air Temp was 129 degrees. For the northeast folks, you know how cold hurts your face? This did too...but in a warm way.

Here's a picture I took from the sand dunes...
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And there's R2D2...at pretty much the same angle.:D
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spacemt354

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Please note this is just feedback, not a critique. But 2 things...

1 - While I did love the detail and overall scope from Mystic's project (and as I said in the PM) I'm still wondering how they were able to use Universal Monsters, given the fact that the prompt restricted us to only Mansion characters.
The singing busts have dressed up as the universal monsters: the creature from the black lagoon, the mummy, Frankenstein’s monster, the werewolf, and a vampire, They belt out a new tune made especially for this holiday overlay: The Mansion Mash.
This was something we asked clarification on in the first hour of the project, and it was re-confirmed to our team that these were the rules.
One other limitation is that you may NOT use any licensed characters outside of those created directly for the Haunted Mansion.
Essentially the only hard and fast rule is that I don't want any non Mansion characters.
I mention this only because it wasn't brought up in the reviews, and aside from other personal situations on our team halting progress throughout the round, I think this was also a factor; trying to change a non-Christmas attraction into a Christmas attraction with the same characters and sticking "entirely to the original premise of the attraction."

2 - I said yesterday in our PM but starting tomorrow I'm not really going to be here for a few weeks, and I didn't want to be a dead weight on a team. So I took the team leader role and told the team to vote me out in the event that we lost so everyone could move on and I wouldn't be in limbo. But I'm still here:p Haha...I mean I have today at least, but I wanted to bring that to your attention in case you missed it in the PM.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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We'll definitely address the IP criticism during the live show. England hasn't responded to my conversations in over a week so it's better to have someone who we know is still around but might be MIA for a while versus someone who's had no indication for a stretch of time that they're going to be active at all. If England does resurface I'll be happy to let him into the Museum of the Weird, as I will anyone who has trips getting in the way and happen to get voted out because of it. I know SandyClaws is also going to be on a trip after this next week.
 

FigmentPigments

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Please note this is just feedback, not a critique. But 2 things...

1 - While I did love the detail and overall scope from Mystic's project (and as I said in the PM) I'm still wondering how they were able to use Universal Monsters, given the fact that the prompt restricted us to only Mansion characters.

This was something we asked clarification on in the first hour of the project, and it was re-confirmed to our team that these were the rules.


I mention this only because it wasn't brought up in the reviews, and aside from other personal situations on our team halting progress throughout the round, I think this was also a factor; trying to change a non-Christmas attraction into a Christmas attraction with the same characters and sticking "entirely to the original premise of the attraction."

2 - I said yesterday in our PM but starting tomorrow I'm not really going to be here for a few weeks, and I didn't want to be a dead weight on a team. So I took the team leader role and told the team to vote me out in the event that we lost so everyone could move on and I wouldn't be in limbo. But I'm still here:p Haha...I mean I have today at least, but I wanted to bring that to your attention in case you missed it in the PM.
I think that was my misunderstanding. I thought we couldn't have the wolf man or Frankenstein as characters like Jack is over at DL's overlay. I thought we could have the ghosts dress as those characters but the characters themselves could not be in the attraction. I tried to make it clear that the ghosts were dressing up as these characters, not that these characters were taking the place of the ghosts. Sorry, Team Mystic, my bad.:oops: I'll try to make sure I'm clear on the challenge rules next round.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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I think that was my misunderstanding. I thought we couldn't have the wolf man or Frankenstein as characters like Jack is over at DL's overlay. I thought we could have the ghosts dress as those characters but the characters themselves could not be in the attraction. I tried to make it clear that the ghosts were dressing up as these characters, not that these characters were taking the place of the ghosts. Sorry, Team Mystic, my bad.:oops: I'll try to make sure I'm clear on the challenge rules next round.

And that was essentially why I let it slide. You didn't directly use the characters, just small sight gags based on them. Probably couldn't fly in the copyright department, then again the Jurassic Park ride at Universal Hollywood features Micheal Eisner's mouse ears. ;)
 

spacemt354

Chili's
I think that was my misunderstanding. I thought we couldn't have the wolf man or Frankenstein as characters like Jack is over at DL's overlay. I thought we could have the ghosts dress as those characters but the characters themselves could not be in the attraction. I tried to make it clear that the ghosts were dressing up as these characters, not that these characters were taking the place of the ghosts. Sorry, Team Mystic, my bad.:oops: I'll try to make sure I'm clear on the challenge rules next round.
Oh it wasn't you, don't worry.

I only brought it up because it was emphasized to our team to exclusively use Haunted Mansion characters, and then the most positively reviewed part of your attraction was the Monster Mash/graveyard segment with inclusion of non-Haunted Mansion characters...so I was a tad confused. :p
 

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