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Snow White's Scary Adventures Vs. Snow White's Enchanted Wish

Which is the better version of the ride?


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mandstaft

Well-Known Member
Build a new multi-level Pan where the skyway was. Use the old Pan space for another dark ride. Maybe one of the ones originally thought of for the Magic Kingdom that were dropped in favor of clones of the Anaheim originals.
 

Sharon&Susan

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Build a new multi-level Pan where the skyway was. Use the old Pan space for another dark ride. Maybe one of the ones originally thought of for the Magic Kingdom that were dropped in favor of clones of the Anaheim originals.
Or a second track for Toad perhaps. ;)

Now that'll never happen.
 

Professortango1

Well-Known Member
Now that Snow White has been gutted, maybe they can turn Peter Pan into a Sleepy Hollow attraction with Peter moving to an E-ticket experience. This way Ichabod and Mr Toad can be neighbors. And yes, I know Sleepy Hollow is set in New York, but I don't think the 1700's aesthetic would seem out of place next to Snow White, Mr Toad, and Pinocchio.
 

yensidtlaw1969

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
In all seriousness, I've always had the feeling Toad's days are numbered. It's in prime real estate in the center of the park based on an old, relatively obscure Disney film that has basically zero cultural power with mainstream audiences anymore. It just wouldn't surprise me to see it gone in the near future. But what do I know.
Luckily, Toad is a little bit painted into a corner - the show building is *SO* small, and it's nestled weirdly under Alice in Wonderland. That the show consists almost exclusively of painted flats isn't an accident - it frees up a ton of room for the ride path that would otherwise go to dimensional show elements. The Toad vehicles are tiny and nimble, able to take tight turns and therefore navigate the compact ride path in that shoebox of a building.

The second you tear out Toad you throw Alice in Wonderland a bit into tumult and separately confront the fact that there's simply nothing *interesting* that can be done in that space that would meet today's standards. I don't even mean in terms of codes - want to replace Toad with, say, Frozen? Better make a bigger ride vehicle to handle demand . . . and give space over to dimensional figures and show sets . . . leaving you with about 30 seconds of ride time before there's nowhere left to go. Not to mention that you'd need more queue space for any property more popular than Toad. Having the line spill out into the Fantasyland walkway isn't really appealing operationally.

By that point you're ripping out a cult classic that carries it's weight basically fine and makes the most out of a cupboard-under-the-stairs of a building, and getting almost nothing worthwhile in return. Any new ride in the Toad building would be shorter, less efficient, have less to look at, AND come at the expense of a dark-horse opening-day Disneyland classic. Imagine Disney today saying "Hey, we're putting Beauty and the Beast in Mr. Toad!" - the guest expectation for that property will *never* be met by anything that fits in the Toad facility. And if you're putting in a property of mid-level interest, well . . . Disney doesn't even do that anymore, but you might as well leave Toad at that point anyway. You're better off not messing with a good thing.

I suspect they're eager to maximize Toad for what it is and ensure that it continues to pull its weight ad-infinitum, but it is kind of a weird artifact from a bygone time that, lucky for us who love it, doesn't actually serve Disney to remove. I feel like they'd sooner turn Toad into a shop then make a real pass at putting a new ride in there. Though I shouldn't give them ideas.

Hopefully they just look and offer it a healthy but restrained plussing to keep its meager queue filled and guest surveys positive, allowing it to careen wildly into the next half-century.
 

DavidDL

Well-Known Member
The only reason I could ever see them removing Toad in the near future, would be to expand Peter Pan's Flight next door into something bigger, effectively having that one attraction take over that entire side of Fantasyland. I could see why a longer Pan attraction with increased queue space would be appealing to Disney, though I certainly hope they don't go that route.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
I see Toad as basically untouchable. As someone said above they can't really do anything about it without causing 18 other problems.

I agree with the sentiment but they were willing to change Toad to Pooh in the early 2000s which is very confusing. With that said, I do also wonder if there is a chance the ride experience would have actually been better in Toads space as it would have felt more intimate and also forced them to be more creative.
 

Sharon&Susan

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I agree with the sentiment but they were willing to change Toad to Pooh in the early 2000s which is very confusing. With that said, I do also wonder if there is a chance the ride experience would have actually been better in Toads space as it would have felt more intimate and also forced them to be more creative.
I really doubt that they were ever seriously considering Toad in Anaheim for Pooh, as what they really wanted was a good sized Pooh store (which even if they were to use the Mad Hatter would be too small for the purpose). Pooh was definitely considered for Toontown/Starland initially and there's concept art that I would assume is from the 80's of SM in Tashen's Disney book with some type of "Pooh Corner" in Critter Country that coexits with Country Bear Jamboree.
 

DisneyExpert

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I agree with the sentiment but they were willing to change Toad to Pooh in the early 2000s which is very confusing. With that said, I do also wonder if there is a chance the ride experience would have actually been better in Toads space as it would have felt more intimate and also forced them to be more creative.

WDW's Toad was twice the size of Disneyland's and featured two different tracks, so it was prime real estate. The idea of Toad being untouchable at Disneyland has more to do with how difficult it would be to put anything else there, which thankfully should spare it from the current management who cares less about the park's legacy than we would like.
 
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