Chef Mickey
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I’m not naive...I just think it should be dealt with with zero tolerance when found.
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The issue with pot is it will affect children if they walk through a crowd of pot smokers. Not only that but while it may be legal in the state its not at the federal level and a lot of work places may still test for it thus you loosing your job if your around it enough for it to enter and metabolize in your body
I am a cigar smoker and am fine if I can't smoke in the parks however i think there should be areas at the hotel where you can enjoy a cigar or pipes or what have you. However i don't mind if Disney bans purchasing of everything form the property. I also don't mind if in the designated areas there are large pictures of people with cancer and other things and those stupid comercials on tv where the people have holes in their throats.
LAM378
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THANK YOU. Now - "the one on the walkway to Adventureland" - we may be thinking of different locations. The one I remember WAS a "dead end turnout" that replaced the previous "dead end" going to Tiana's M&G? That DSA actually WORKED - until the other DSA's got eliminated, and it started to suffer from overcrowding
I was thinking of this area that I’ve circled. I remember it always being so crowded. Then again, when I walked further into Adventureland this week I remembered there used to be a different DSA on the benches near the Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse; that one was even more ill-planned!
Hear, hear! I walked in and thought to myself, “What have we done to deserve this?” It’s downright comfortable. And yes, it’s the same area right besides the restrooms that it was up until 2016, which was a perfect spot to begin with.
Chef Mickey
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Right, which is the same for alcohol and ciagrettes. They just don't need to be at Disney. I know people will be upset with alcohol, but I think it's the right decision. I'd be OK to keep wine at restaurants and maybe you can order a drink WITH a meal, but you can't leave with it and you're limited and tracked through MagicBand. No MagicBand? No drinky.
Lensman
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Wait, how is my blood alcohol concentration affected by sitting next to people drinking beer?
Chef Mickey
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I just mean drunk people can affect others around them in a negative way.Wait, how is my blood alcohol concentration affected by sitting next to people drinking beer?
Some people are very arrogant to think the choices they make and the way they live is the way everyone else should live as well. As long as people obey the rules, the choices they make when it comes to "legal" items that only adults can purchase, is left to the individual and you dont have a rightt o dictate anyone elses choices. If Disney chooses to ban smoking or drinking or anything else, then so be it. Thats their choice as a company. But, as an individual, you have no right to tell anyone what they should do if they are following the rules. Turn your nose up, be upset all you want, but you arent the morality or choice police.
Patcheslee
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Think it's already been proven by some guest behavior banning won't solve smoking in non DSA areas. Provide them away from the flow of crowds and enforce the rules. Banning is honestly about as logical as taking away guns from law abiding citizens because others choose to break the law.
BigThunderMatt
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From a common sense perspective, I get it. But from a business perspective that'd be absolute insanity. Alcohol sales generate a ton of profit and when you look at the theme parks, WDW has been mostly non-dry for the majority of its existence (and technically it never was since you could always get a drink at the resorts). Epcot probably stays afloat BECAUSE of alcohol sales. WDW isn't just a place for families with kids. Young adults go. Couples go. I don't think they should have to limit what they imbibe just because children are present. That starts leading down a slippery slope where you start questioning every venue that sells alcohol that caters to more than just families with kids. What about cruise ships? Movie theaters? Sports venues? We as a nation went down that route once with prohibition and it didn't go too well.
The fact is, alcohol is a money maker, you can't get second-hand drunk, and if someone gets unruly security can handle it. I'd honestly much rather deal with a slightly inebriated yet friendly person versus the dad who's got a vein bulging on his forehead from having to deal with his screaming, whining, crying kids all day, just wants to unwind a little, and is ready to deck the next person who looks at him funny.
Lensman
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Plus we just to get over the identification of alcoholic beverages as a means to getting intoxicated. I know it sounds patronizing, but we need to be drinking because wine and beer taste good, not because we want to get drunk. They also complement food much better than sugary soft drinks.
And, as you say, alcohol sales can also help fund billion dollar park expansion and enhancement.
Lastly, no straws or lids are needed for beer and wine sales. lol
BigThunderMatt
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People with addictive personalities are always going to exist and are always going to drink to get drunk, there's no getting around that. Every person reacts to alcohol differently but I can say that I never really saw "angry drunks" at WDW in my time there. I think the fact that it's a positive environment keeps the mood happy and lighthearted. If someone is getting out of hand security is very skilled at coming in and removing them from the area without making a scene. You'll wind up with the occasional cell phone video but you never see the level of drunken unruliness that you would see at say, Halloween Horror Nights, which has a well-deserved reputation for alcohol fueled brawls and the like. I would wager most people at WDW have a tendency to drink responsibly.
threvester
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There was a woman 2 days ago smoking pot freely in the smoking section next to china. She asked if it bothered me and said it was medical. First ive ever experienced that.
BigThunderMatt
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Medical is legal in Florida so I'd imagine it's going to become more common to see.
Patcheslee
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Kinda suprising since pot is listed as prohibited from bring into the parks.
Chef Mickey
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I understand the profit of alcohol in the parks...of course this is why it was done. In the grand scheme, it's peanuts and could be absorbed in the form of higher prices on other things. I'd support the lost revenue and/or various increases to make it up to have it gone (aside from my proposal for selling it with dinner and tracking it).
I'm not in favor of prohibition. I'm just in favor of Disney enforcing the rules they should enforce on private property at a family park. The rules outside don't apply at Disney, like smoking. You have to go to a designated area. There is a dress code. Your bags will be checked.
Point is, they can do what they want. I'd just rather alcohol be less of an emphasis, particularly at EPCOT. Wine with dinner or a drink with dinner is about as much as I want to see. That or they need to be serious about tracking it because people get way too much and I'd hate to see an "incident" at a family park. It's just not worth it. You get one guy running naked around World Showcase or causing other trouble and I guarantee you Disney will be taking my approach (just like they did when the unthinkable happened and the kid got eaten by the alligator).
The real rescueranger
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I have been going to WDW for years. Dozens of trips and hundreds of days. I can honestly say that I have never seen one obnoxious drunk in all of those trips. You are wanting to amputate an arm because of a hangnail. I work in law enforcement. I will not drink and drive even if it was only one drink. WDW is the one place I can get a drink or two and not have to worry about who’s driving. I just hop back on the bus to my resort. You keep saying that Disney is for families. Well my family happens to be all adults of drinking age. It is for us too. Drunks aren’t the problem. I wish they would kick out families who have bratty snowflakes who run around and do what they want without the parents once saying stop or no. Those people are the true problem. I would rather sit amongst a group of drunks rather than one family with spoiled kids.
I was fine with it banned from magic kingdom , don't mind if its at Hollywood and epcot
BigThunderMatt
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Again you keep saying family park. Yes, families go, but they don't cater exclusively to families. Also, alcohol has been served prominently at WDW since practically its inception. You think in that time they've never had an unruly guest? When I worked at TTC we had a drunk guy go into the companion restroom, strip naked, and make a nest for himself out of toilet paper so he could pretend he was a bird. Security was there in minutes to escort him off property.
These things happen but clearly they happen infrequently enough and impact so few guests that the pros outweigh the cons. The whole situation with the alligator is a poor analogy and was a response by Disney to a situation that could have been outright avoided had they been more proactive and less concerned about some kind of illusion of safety. If some guy gets drunk and streaks through World Showcase no one is gonna die and any children exposed to it will think nothing of it 2 hours later despite what the stodgy "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children" folks might say. If you choose not to imbibe, don't imbibe. But don't sit up there on your pedestal and think less of everyone else who chooses to do so while they enjoy their time at WDW. MK and Disneyland were both outliers in the dry park business. There are loads of "family-oriented" venues that serve alcohol and have for decades, including regional amusement parks. If you think they've never had an unruly guest because of alcohol you're straight up lying to yourself. They just deal with that person and move on because the money the alcohol makes is definitely not peanuts and it isn't worth the loss of revenue to avoid having to call security on a few people.
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Chef Mickey
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It’s wholesome entertainment above all else.