Smoking areas GONE starting may 1st Pinned so people can still see the announcement.

[ppete1975]

Lets say 100 people smoke today at the parks. Just saying you cant do it anymore will stop 90 percent of those... so you are left with 10. We will say half of those didn't know the new rule or that smoking was not allowed apologize and that's the end. 4.8 think no one will say anything, but once told quickly put it out (then prob light up again later). 0.1 get irritated make a small scene then put it out (then repeat again later).. the other .1 get ed and our escorted out.
Now I am making these numbers up sure, but that's prob roughly accurate. There are loop holes in everything, look at customer service. First person says no.. the next manager says no... as you get further up in the company someone finally says yes because its better you go away. But the fact that are that .0001 percent that got that far talking to upper upper upper management makes the cost less than giving it to everyone that complained to the first person. Its all about numbers... just outlawing it will shut most people down.

With the way people are I think peer pressure and nosey nancy will prob stop a lot of the smoking through peer pressure (or just going up and telling them to put it out.. people are ballsy as hell now) I feel the person that takes it too far and refuses is prob the same amount that drink too much and need to be escorted out.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Lets say 100 people smoke today at the parks. Just saying you cant do it anymore will stop 90 percent of those... so you are left with 10. We will say half of those didn't know the new rule or that smoking was not allowed apologize and that's the end. 4.8 think no one will say anything, but once told quickly put it out (then prob light up again later). 0.1 get irritated make a small scene then put it out (then repeat again later).. the other .1 get ****ed and our escorted out.
Now I am making these numbers up sure, but that's prob roughly accurate. There are loop holes in everything, look at customer service. First person says no.. the next manager says no... as you get further up in the company someone finally says yes because its better you go away. But the fact that are that .0001 percent that got that far talking to upper upper upper management makes the cost less than giving it to everyone that complained to the first person. Its all about numbers... just outlawing it will shut most people down.

With the way people are I think peer pressure and nosey nancy will prob stop a lot of the smoking through peer pressure (or just going up and telling them to put it out.. people are ballsy as hell now) I feel the person that takes it too far and refuses is prob the same amount that drink too much and need to be escorted out.

Yes. You will be dealing with percentages here and there will be people that honestly don't know the rule. So once warned, it may discourage future behavior.

The avg is about 15% of the population smokes. The avg amount of visitors to the MK on any given day is 55k. The numbers are skewed obviously because of the large amount of children. So let's say in the MK it's 5% (it may be lower) of the population. That gives you about 2,750 smokers.

I don't think 90% will stop just because they are asked to - but I agree it will be the majority. Let's say 75%. So now you potentially have roughly 700 rogue smokers roaming the park. Each of which smoke let's say (on the low end) 3 cigs during the day. So in reality you have 2100 instances of somebody violating the no-smoking rule each day at the MK.

 

[flynnibus]

I wanted to kinda back this up. I work in healthcare and asking for somebody's medical card would very likely be against HIPAA regulations (at least in my state, but HIPAA is federal, so presumably all states). Even a doctor (other than the patient's primary or prescribing doctor) wouldn't be entitled to see it without first verifying their national provider ID and credentialing information and at least 3 pieces of personally identifiable information for the patient.

No - HIPPA governs you (as the provider or insurer) disclosing information - It does not regulate you GATHERING information or asking.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Yes. You will be dealing with percentages here and there will be people that honestly don't know the rule. So once warned, it may discourage future behavior.

The avg is about 15% of the population smokes. The avg amount of visitors to the MK on any given day is 55k. The numbers are skewed obviously because of the large amount of children. So let's say in the MK it's 5% (it may be lower) of the population. That gives you about 2,750 smokers.

I don't think 90% will stop just because they are asked to - but I agree it will be the majority. Let's say 75%. So now you potentially have roughly 700 rogue smokers roaming the park. Each of which smoke let's say (on the low end) 3 cigs during the day. So in reality you have 2100 instances of somebody violating the no-smoking rule each day at the MK.

That's quite a lot.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

That's quite a lot.

I don't pretend to know what the actual numbers are (MK population that smokes).........but it's a lot more than people think. And if Disney's instructions to CM's are "If you encounter anyone smoking, please politely ask them to put it out and make them aware of the new rule"...........It's going to be an uphill battle.

 

[flynnibus]

I don't pretend to know what the actual numbers are.........but it's a lot more than people think.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/resources/data/cigarette-smoking-in-united-states.html

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The question is how. To date, what I've surmised based on previous posters, is that Disney is not offering any real penalty. Other than to ask the offender to stop offending.

Being confronted publicaly in the magic kingdom is an amazing deterrent...they’ve found

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/campaign/tips/resources/data/cigarette-smoking-in-united-states.html

Statistics are great...but it’s only valid here if you cross them with the economics of Disney customers

 

[Tanna Eros]

My first shipment of smoking alternatives came in, and one of the tins of snus is separated into compartments so I have a little trash can!
It's watertight. Now I must go sailing to try it out. I'm hoping that it will do the same as a smoke for my asthma, and relax my breathing.
Then I can conquer the park! I shall stand like Yeti on the tallest mountain like ride!

 

[Patcheslee]

For me, it's the opioid issue that leads me to suggest pot as an alternative. I fear for my mother. I had family members go to the 420 festival in Colorado, and asked them to think of their grandmother- not in the "what would she think of you!" way, but in the way of "look around for edibles and items you think she might like to use."

Opioid addiction runs high in my family so I try to avoid them if possible.
I have severe insomnia, always have. After about the 5th prescription trial at the lowest dose pill cut in half doc didn't recommend anymore to try, I still couldn't function for 12hrs after taking any sleep medication, sleep walking, ect. He happened to ask what I did before I went to him for insomnia and told him I'd take a couple hits of pot then could sleep, and wore off by morning. His only response was "maybe you need to move to another state". I'll admit I'll be someone to use if it ever gets legalized here.

 

[Disney Hound]

We're looking at this policy from the POV of guests and visitors because that's what most of us are at WDW, guests and visitors.

I'd hazard a guess this could be more of a thing employees requested. Or demanded.

Most of us have indoor jobs where smoking is not allowed anywhere. At my job in NYC not only can you not smoke in the office you have to be a minimal distance away from entranceways when you go outside and smoke, a policy many people skirt because they want to try to be close to the rush of heat seeping out in the winter and AC seeping out in the summer.

But I'll bet many cast members who work in the parks complained that they had to be exposed to second hand smoke as part of their job, and whether WDW wanted to actually treat their employees with dignity (it could happen) OR they just didn't want to deal with a future lawsuit when a worker who doesn't smoke somehow gets lung cancer that could be tied, even in a small part, to a frequent exposure to second hand smoke, they made a decision to accommodate a smoke-free environment for their employees.

I'd wager eventually the entire resort complex will become smoke-free as is the company's right as the owner of the property. Don't know if DVC members would be able to make a stink (heh) regarding their temporary claim as owners, if enough of them say "I want a portion of my maintenance fees to go to maintaining smoking areas" to skirt the policy. Also don't know if enough DVC owners would want it that it would make a difference. Maybe one day there will be a DVC resort just for smokers, it'll be the only place on property where anyone can smoke and the lounge will go by the name of "Wheezy's" and there will be a backstory of an eighth dwarf no one ever saw because when Snow White came upon the dwarf's cottage he was in the hospital getting part of his lung removed.

Sounds like a cracking idea for a DVC Resort! We can ban strollers and Children and charge non DVC members for entry - to cover the Annual Dues!

 

[flynnibus]

It was asked what could Disney do to identify a person smoking who says that they don't have any ID on them. This was one way that they COULD monitor it if they wanted to. No one said that this is what they will do.

Even easier... No ID? How about your ticket? no ticket sir? Sorry, we're going to have to escort you out of the park.

I bet they find their ticket or ID fast enough...

 

[Club Cooloholic]

I will say this. I think having a few area should not be a big deal. I dont smoke but hell give people that do a few spots, what you need the space for a hot dog cart? If people can bring a great dane into the park as a therapy pet some people have their cigs or whatever for therapy in a space away from everyone.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Yes. You will be dealing with percentages here and there will be people that honestly don't know the rule. So once warned, it may discourage future behavior.

The avg is about 15% of the population smokes. The avg amount of visitors to the MK on any given day is 55k. The numbers are skewed obviously because of the large amount of children. So let's say in the MK it's 5% (it may be lower) of the population. That gives you about 2,750 smokers.

I don't think 90% will stop just because they are asked to - but I agree it will be the majority. Let's say 75%. So now you potentially have roughly 700 rogue smokers roaming the park. Each of which smoke let's say (on the low end) 3 cigs during the day. So in reality you have 2100 instances of somebody violating the no-smoking rule each day at the MK.

Now add in the vapors.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I will say this. I think having a few area should not be a big deal. I dont smoke but hell give people that do a few spots, what you need the space for a hot dog cart? If peope can bring a great dane into the park as a therapy pet some people have their cigs or whatever for therapy i a space away from everyone.

That’s the funny thing about this thread. Disney has slowly pulling the areas out of the parks. Most are located where non smokers aren’t going anyway. For the most part. Acres and acres of land and the one side is saying that small little dinky area in the back of the park, get rid of it, they smoke. Just find it hard to believe.
As I said before, put just one, maybe 2 in your huge parks Disney, way out of the way where only smokers know where it is. Problem solved. Still going to have a few here say it’s not good enough but makes most of both sides happy.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Even easier... No ID? How about your ticket? no ticket sir? Sorry, we're going to have to escort you out of the park.

I bet they find their ticket or ID fast enough...

True....But at this point there is no rule requiring anybody to be in physical possession of a ticket (band/card) for anything other than admission or entry into a park. So they can't enforce that - until they make it mandatory that a guest retain possession of their ticket at all times while in a park.

They do have this though:

But they've stated they won't use it to enforce this.

However, I do think certain situations (i.e. a guest refusing to put it out, blatantly disregarding the rule, creating a scene or becoming hostile when confronted by a CM, and/or being warned multiple times in a single day) will warrant them invoking this rule.

I don't think being caught once or twice and politely acquiescing to the CM's request is going to get you expelled. At least not at the start. We'll see how it all plays out.

 

[flynnibus]

True....But at this point there is no rule requiring anybody to be in physical possession of a ticket (band/card) for anything other than admission or entry into a park. So they can't enforce that - until they make it mandatory that a guest retain possession of their ticket at all times while in a park.

Nonsense. If you can't prove you have a reason to be there, Disney can force you to leave. It's a controlled area, you can't prove you have valid reason to be there, Disney can force you to leave. The ticket verage quoted is simply part of the ToS to make it clear your ticket purchase doesn't usurp Disney's right to force you to leave.. even without a refund.

The initial response was simply to prove that people couldn't simply obfuscate their identity by playing coy. You're on private property - you comply or you'll be escorted out. I don't see Disney tracking offenders at this point.. but it was just to disprove a hypothetical counter.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Nonsense. If you can't prove you have a reason to be there, Disney can force you to leave. It's a controlled area, you can't prove you have valid reason to be there, Disney can force you to leave. The ticket verage quoted is simply part of the ToS to make it clear your ticket purchase doesn't usurp Disney's right to force you to leave.. even without a refund.

The initial response was simply to prove that people couldn't simply obfuscate their identity by playing coy. You're on private property - you comply or you'll be escorted out. I don't see Disney tracking offenders at this point.. but it was just to disprove a hypothetical counter.

My reason for being there is to visit the theme park. My entry was valid and was granted per the terms and conditions set by Disney. It nowhere states that I must carry identification, nor my ticket on my person while at the park. If my party splits up and I happen not to have them on me, I'm not violating any rule Disney has in place at this time. And it is no grounds for my removal from the park. My means of entry has nothing to do with purpose.

At that point....sure they can revert to "for any reason at all", but they can't remove me because I don't have my ticket on me. They can say "we have reason to suspect you gained illegal entry and that's why we'd like to see your ticket" but those grounds have nothing to do with randomly asking for "my papers".

 

[blueslegend]

Sounds like a cracking idea for a DVC Resort! We can ban strollers and Children and charge non DVC members for entry - to cover the Annual Dues!

100% agree.

Some of the nicest and most sociable people I’ve ever met have been in smoking areas. Perhaps we are gathered and have something in common, feel alienated and by virtue feel unity. Where else do get like minded people the chance to socialise? Most others just push past each other in a rush to their next objective whether ride or food.

I’ve befriended people from pretty much every state in the US & Canada, the latter being some of the most fantastic and respectful people I’ve ever met.

I recall sitting outside Wildnerness Lodge with a coffee and a smoke in the morning, in a dressing gown talking to people about last night and the day ahead. And then outside the DVC pool at Beach Club late at night with a beer, playing pool putting the world to right with people I never knew before but who are now friends.

That was the Magical part. Can’t charge for that.

 

[flynnibus]

At that point....sure they can revert to "for any reason at all", but they can't remove me because I don't have my ticket on me.

Yes they can - because of exactly what you said.. and because it's private property in the first place. Even tho it's open to the public. They reserve the right to refuse service (of your visit of the theme park).

They can say "we have reason to suspect you gained illegal entry and that's why we'd like to see your ticket" but those grounds have nothing to do with randomly asking for "my papers".

Except.. exactly that. You're playing obtuse to side step the obvious. By not being able to produce a valid ticket, that is exactly what excuse they can use against you.. that you haven't demonstrated you did gain legal access. Physically being present proves nothing except you managed to get there.

Disney can ask you to leave.. and force you to. Period.
Disney could also ask to see your ticket, and is free to prejudice against you if you can't provide one.

There is no defense here...

No disney does not 'demand' you carry your ticket at all times - that doesn't mean Disney is limited in what they can do.