Skyliner Possible Expansion Routes

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve looked at it multiple times - it really doesn’t fit the way I like to travel - many of my trips are very last minute.

I know many people who love it

So are mine

And I pay $1500 or so once a year for 15-20 nights…if I want to stretch it

This is my first day in a fan forum…but I’ve “heard” that certain comments about “what’s better” and “not being locked in” are almost always rooted in “non-buyers remorse”

Not you as I said…but there are tell tale signs

The biggest one usually being paying $350 a pop for port Orleans and saying that is “more convenient” than that roughly same out of pocket cost adjusted over the lifetime for multiples of that 5 nights each year at the tiered up ones.

Math is fun.

But it still can be case by case. And after all…it’s my first day here

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Well…. It’s not really buyers remorse…. When it was a good deal I wasn’t of age to make such a decision and my parents weren’t interested in any kind of time share. (Which I still agree is a smart decision).

When I’ve done the math - it doesn’t seem to make sense to me - but I’m not the person DVC was created for.

If I was going to buy DVC - it would definitely be at one of the lodges - they are my favorites.

But back to skyliner - it wouldn’t make me want to buy a DVC at Riviera that’s for sure! Haha

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well…. It’s not really buyers remorse…. When it was a good deal I wasn’t of age to make such a decision and my parents weren’t interested in any kind of time share. (Which I still agree is a smart decision).

That’s exactly what I’m saying…
And this is the part where I say Bob ruined it for you. Cause in fact it’s true.

And it’s “non-buyers remorse” key difference.

When I’ve done the math - it doesn’t seem to make sense to me - but I’m not the person DVC was created for.

If I was going to buy DVC - it would definitely be at one of the lodges - they are my favorites.

They’d whack you. The resells are a complete scam direct from Disney. Third party has alot of drawbacks now.

As far as math goes…it is now 4x the prices…and I did buy it in my late 20s which wasn’t THAT long ago. It was almost at what I predicted would be the value “price ceiling” about 5 years after…and someone blew past that exit ramp on the highway in his yacht.

But back to skyliner - it wouldn’t make me want to buy a DVC at Riviera that’s for sure! Haha

Didn’t seem to work particularly well for anyone else either

 

[Colonel Angus]

So, how many more years until they just give up on the Skyliner? I'm betting about 8 more years until something happens on the line. Disney thinks it's unsafe they close it down as busses become the norm once again saving billions in electrical costs and be as extinct as the one like in MK and DL..

Won't the buses be EV by then? Already in Anaheim, the ART buses are.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Won't the buses be EV by then? Already in Anaheim, the ART buses are.

I would think so, but they could reduce the costs by using solar panels with battery storage for the charging stations. There would obviously be an up-front cost to purchase and install the chargers, panels, and energy storage batteries but spread out over the life of the system it would reduce electricity costs.

 

[Colonel Angus]

I would think so, but they could reduce the costs by using solar panels with battery storage for the charging stations. There would obviously be an up-front cost to purchase and install the chargers, panels, and energy storage batteries but spread out over the life of the system it would reduce electricity costs.

Until the electric companies turn into the oil companies, right?

It’s wishful thinking but I would love for a monorail and/or skyliner expansion. I love all of the non-road going transportation methods at WDW. I find it to be part of the charm and magic for me. I’m grateful for the bus system but I drive so much to commute for work, I just want to float, if you will.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Until the electric companies turn into the oil companies, right?

It’s wishful thinking but I would love for a monorail and/or skyliner expansion. I love all of the non-road going transportation methods at WDW. I find it to be part of the charm and magic for me. I’m grateful for the bus system but I drive so much to commute for work, I just want to float, if you will.

You are far more likely to see the monorail removed and the stations Abandoned than ever see it expanded

 

[Colonel Angus]

You are far more likely to see the monorail removed and the stations Abandoned than ever see it expanded

Like I said, wishful thinking. But why do you think that it would be abandoned?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Like I said, wishful thinking. But why do you think that it would be abandoned?

It’s as cost inefficient as a train could be

The beams were driven into a swamp

Limited coverage

Obsolete tech and mechanical systems

A maintenance blackhole

No system anything remotely like it has been made in about 40 years

And monorail black is super ugly

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

No system anything remotely like it has been made in about 40 years

Vegas monorail opened in 2004.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Vegas monorail opened in 2004.

Been on it…does it have a weird beam size and designed by bombardier in the 1950’s?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Been on it…does it have a weird beam size and designed by bombardier in the 1950’s?

Is there a standard monorail beam size?

 

[Colonel Angus]

I’ve been on Disneyland, Disney World, Vegas, and Seattle monorails.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is there a standard monorail beam size?

Maybe not…but if you can find one that’s similar to the wdw/dl ones installed since Jimmy Carter…I’d love to see it.

I’ve been on the Vegas and Seattle monorails too..and they don’t feature the Size or speed of the Disney ones. Seem more for show than anything.

What’s Vegas connect? 4 casinos out of how many?

 

[Robbiem]

Is there a standard monorail beam size?

Not as such but there are a few beam sizes in common use. The WDW monorail uses the Alweg design now used by bombardier with a smaller width beam. Because the old Disney trains were used in vegas this is the size of the vegas monorail Beams. Trains are smaller but the system takes up less space.

Hitachi use a wider beam which means you can have bigger trains and walkthrough trains. This is the system used in Tokyo Disney and the Palm island in Dubai. The system has a higher capacity per train but a more boxy appearance

There are lots of other systems with varying beams and suspended trains as well. Its one of the issues compared to regular rail, the lack of a common standard means that you have a fragmented market which never really developed like standard railways

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Maybe not…but if you can find one that’s similar to the wdw/dl ones installed since Jimmy Carter…I’d love to see it.

The Vegas beams are the same size as WDW I think? If not they are pretty similar.

I’ve been on the Vegas and Seattle monorails too..and they don’t feature the Size or speed of the Disney ones. Seem more for show than anything.

Both Seattle and Vegas travel faster than WDW monorails.

What’s Vegas connect? 4 casinos out of how many?

The Vegas monorail system has 7 stops.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Vegas beams are the same size as WDW I think? If not they are pretty similar.

Both Seattle and Vegas travel faster than WDW monorails.

The Vegas monorail system has 7 stops.

Ok…

So where are we going with this? That the Disney monorails will always be there?

Maybe…but zero guarantees. It’s not a good system.

Or that they would expand it? Nope…that ship left the dock in like 1984…no monorail expansions…no new countries in Epcot…no fifth gate

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Ok…

So where are we going with this?

I was just correcting your statements. Not to be argumentative- just to say the facts.

I wouldn’t have guessed Disney would invest in a skyliner system - anything can happen haha.

When monorail expansion really went away, in my opinion, is when the park hopper went away.

It’s unfortunate they didn’t expand to MGM when it opened.

 

[WondersOfLife]

Wish we had monorails everywhere

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I was just correcting your statements. Not to be argumentative- just to say the facts.

I wouldn’t have guessed Disney would invest in a skyliner system - anything can happen haha.

When monorail expansion really went away, in my opinion, is when the park hopper went away.

It’s unfortunate they didn’t expand to MGM when it opened.

When did the park hopper go away?

And if you notice…the monorail has nothing to do with that. The monorail was simply what was left of “Walt’s guys” trying to honor him with a grander scale. It would have never been built for one second basically the second after they committed to what they did.

You don’t have to guess if it has “went away”…yeah…it did. So it can’t happen.

I wonder what they were thinking with skyliner? I think it was an experiment about room prices and dvc…plain and simple. Not a great move