Skyliner Possible Expansion Routes

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would disagree...

Looking at POP 2018 rates Average rate was $182
Compared to All star movies (I think the most expensive all star) $162

So $20 per night OR ~12.3% increase for Pop vs movies

Now we can take POP 2025 Average rate of $294
vs All Star Movie 2025 Average of $230 per night

So $64 per night or ~12.8% increase for Pop vs movies

If we assume without the skyline, people were willing to pay $20 more per room per night. The skyliner added $44 per room per night*2,880 rooms*365 days per year = $46,252,800 per year for just POP by adding the skyliner

The more conservative approach (and probably more accurate) would say it added .5% increase which still =$1.47*2880 rooms*365 days a year still $1,545,264 per year in extra revenue by addinging the skyliner.

Now tack on AoA, Caribbean beach, and Rivera and Disney is pulling in Millions of dollars extra.

I value your opinion…but the only one that matters is Disneys analysts

Knowing what they do now…they don’t build the skyliner

$20? That’s less than a mug or popcorn bucket…which is 90% Chinese fueled profit

Adjusted for inflation, All-Star is cheaper in 2025 than it was in 2018.

I haven't done the math on how much incremental cost Disney's been able to pass on at the Skyliner resorts. But I would definitely be interested in seeing it.

IIRC the Skyliner cost was $250MM.

I’ll make it easy: it’s not enough for TWDC with a collapsing tv business and flat stock performance

 

[Andrew25]

IIRC the Skyliner cost was $250MM.

Is this adjusted for inflation? Appreciate the info

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The moderates have long been the biggest ripoffs - lb for lb - on property…

For me personally - i disagree. Deluxe has gone into fantasyland prices for me (and I used to stay at wilderness lodge and AKL - they are beautiful resorts). I’ll still splurge on Port Orleans and I feel it’s worth it.

Knowing what they do now…they don’t build the skyliner

At all? The line to pop and AOA is quite short and has lots of benefits.

 

[Purduevian]

I value your opinion…but the only one that matters is Disneys analysts

Knowing what they do now…they don’t build the skyliner

$20? That’s less than a mug or popcorn bucket…which is 90% Chinese fueled profit

I’ll make it easy: it’s not enough for TWDC with a collapsing tv business and flat stock performance

I am so sorry, I edited my post... my math was very very wrong based on the % increase (pro tip use Excel, not hand calculations). Looks like either way you slice it, about ~$45 per night comes from the skyliner over totaling ~$48 million a year.
Look at this graph and guess what year the skyliner was added

Spoiler: Table of Data

 

[UNCgolf]

What makes you think the skyliner is unsafe? It's not some radical new idea Disney came up with. Also on the billions in electric front... not that we have exact numbers, but taking This as a resource, using the upper end of 1,000kwh per day *3 lines*365 days a year = 1,095,000 kwh per year. Kissimmee is ~0.16 per kwh so a total of ~$175,200 a year. So ~5,700 years until it costs a billion dollars in electrical costs.

I always like to look 4 months out to compare hotel prices.

Rack rate for July 19-26

Value:
All Stars Sports: $142
Music: $151
Movies: $151
Pop: $187
AOA: $230

Moderate:
Coronado $211
Riverside $226
French Quarter: $244
Caribbean beach $261

That's interesting -- almost every time I've looked both sides of Port Orleans are more than Caribbean Beach in terms of rack rate (CBR is almost always more than Coronado, though).

I thought it was strange, because even though I think Port Orleans is a much better resort than CBR and I would stay there over CBR 100 out of 100 times, I assumed the Skyliner would have pushed CBR rack rates higher.

 

[Purduevian]

That's interesting -- almost every time I've looked both sides of Port Orleans are more than Caribbean Beach in terms of rack rate (CBR is almost always more than Coronado, though).

I thought it was strange, because even though I think Port Orleans is a much better resort than CBR and I would stay there over CBR 100 out of 100 times, I assumed the Skyliner would have pushed CBR rack rates higher.

2025 Caribbean Beach averages $418 a night
2025 Port Orleans French Quarter $404
2025 Port Orleans Riverside $427 (Includes the royal guest rooms)

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Feel like you and @Sirwalterraleigh are missing the point.

Yes bookings are down and they are soft this summer. Art of Animation and Pop Century can charge more per night because of the skyliner than the rest of the values.

This is why I call it a ValMod hotel..Value hotel with Moderate Prices...The only Values now are the All Stars..

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

That's how I felt about the Universal/Lowe's hotels when Cabana and Aventura came in they were the sort of "ValMod" offered. Then the newer ones rolled in closer to Epic and they are the cheapest Values of the bunch...

 

[UNCgolf]

2025 Caribbean Beach averages $418 a night
2025 Port Orleans French Quarter $404
2025 Port Orleans Riverside $427 (Includes the royal guest rooms)

So Riverside is higher and FQ is lower -- I like Riverside more than FQ, so that makes sense to me, but I know a lot of people prefer FQ.

As an aside, all of those rack rates are absurd. None of those resorts should ever be $400+ a night.

 

[Purduevian]

So Riverside is higher and FQ is lower -- I like Riverside more than FQ, so that makes sense to me, but I know a lot of people prefer FQ.

As an aside, all of those rack rates are absurd. None of those resorts should ever be $400+ a night.

FYI if take out the Royal guest rooms, Riverside then averages $411 a night this year. I'm honestly not sure what these rooms are or why they are expensive.

 

[UNCgolf]

FYI if take out the Royal guest rooms, Riverside then averages $411 a night this year. I'm honestly not sure what these rooms are or why they are expensive.

They have special princess theming.

They're also in the best location at the resort -- they're basically preferred rooms with some additional theming. We've stayed in them before for the location, although I'd prefer if they were themed like the regular rooms.

There are two whole buildings that are solely Royal Guest rooms so it's a pretty large inventory.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For me personally - i disagree. Deluxe has gone into fantasyland prices for me (and I used to stay at wilderness lodge and AKL - they are beautiful resorts). I’ll still splurge on Port Orleans and I feel it’s worth it.

At all? The line to pop and AOA is quite short and has lots of benefits.

Deluxe prices are insane…but you can get them for large % discounts and often much less from third party wholesale agencies

Moderates…though the gap has shrunk because they dumped the entire concern of “value”…are really just values with a hot tub that fits 4 people and a 10 foot slide

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

FYI if take out the Royal guest rooms, Riverside then averages $411 a night this year. I'm honestly not sure what these rooms are or why they are expensive.

…customer stupidity with a sprinkling of nostalgia…basically

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Moderates…though the gap has shrunk because they dumped the entire concern of “value”…are really just values with a hot tub that fits 4 people and a 10 foot slide

While I’m not known for being overly positive with many of Disney’s decisions- this is a complete exaggeration. Port Orleans especially are fantastically themed resorts that would easily beat out most deluxe resorts for me.

 

[UNCgolf]

Deluxe prices are insane…but you can get them for large % discounts and often much less from third party wholesale agencies

Moderates…though the gap has shrunk because they dumped the entire concern of “value”…are really just values with a hot tub that fits 4 people and a 10 foot slide

I don't know -- I actually think there's a bigger gap between the values and moderates in terms of overall experience than there is between the moderates and deluxes (well, at least as far as POR/POFQ is concerned; I'm not sure that's true for CBR or Coronado Springs).

With the caveat that the rates are completely ridiculous across the board and not worth what they're charging, $400 for a room at POR (quiet, beautiful grounds, nice theming) feels like a much better value than $250+ at one of the "values", which are barely more than unthemed motels. You'd have to pay me to stay at one of the values whereas getting a POR room for $300 or so (since there are usually pretty decent discounts) isn't great but it's not terrible in terms of Disney pricing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't know -- I actually think there's a bigger gap between the values and moderates in terms of overall experience than there is between the moderates and deluxes (well, at least as far as POR/POFQ is concerned; I'm not sure that's true for CBR or Coronado Springs).

With the caveat that the rates are completely ridiculous across the board and not worth what they're charging, $400 for a room at POR (quiet, beautiful grounds, nice theming) feels like a much better value than $250+ at one of the "values", which are barely more than unthemed motels. You'd have to pay me to stay at one of the values whereas getting a POR room for $300 or so (since there are usually pretty decent discounts) isn't great but it's not terrible in terms of Disney pricing.

I can give you that

The main difference between deluxe and mods are food options and park proximity

But they have cut into that a lot with additions at Caribbean and Coronado

Port/dixie are not worth it. Just my opinion.

Always up for park discussion

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

While I’m not known for being overly positive with many of Disney’s decisions- this is a complete exaggeration. Port Orleans especially are fantastically themed resorts that would easily beat out most deluxe resorts for me.

…hmmm…so I’m gonna take a stab and say you convinced yourself you didn’t need to buy vacation club before the price went astronomical?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

…hmmm…so I’m gonna take a stab and say you convinced yourself you didn’t need to buy vacation club before the price went astronomical?

Haha! I love Disney - but I don’t have any desire to lock myself into specific vacations.

I did the math - I wouldn’t save any money. I would just stay in nicer accommodations for the same money.

I wish Disney had done an awards program instead…. Then I’d have access to those fancy lounges!!!!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Haha! I love Disney - but I don’t have any desire to lock myself into specific vacations.

I did the math - I wouldn’t save any money. I would just stay in nicer accommodations for the same money.

I wish Disney had done an awards program instead…. Then I’d have access to those fancy lounges!!!!!

When did you do the math?

Edit…I see youre 38 and this doesn’t apply really to your generation…it does to mine and the booma

I don’t think you’re an east coaster either? If that’s the case that Also takes the sting out of it

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

When did you do the math?

I’ve looked at it multiple times - it really doesn’t fit the way I like to travel - many of my trips are very last minute.

I know many people who love it