Skydance announcement?

[PlutoInOrlando]

I truely love ROE...

But am I the only one....:shrug:

That DOESN'T like the inferno barge? :hurl: The 1st time I saw it after it was "added" - I thought to myself - that thing is going to blow up! Then after I saw it a second and third time - I thought it very much distracted from the fireworks and color of the surroundings (lights/lasers/etc etc).

Granted I'll be sad to see ROE go, but hey - I'm always up for a new fireworks show at Epcot!

 

[CrashNet]

PlutoInAtlanta, you are definitely not the only one. I'm for a new show provided it is given the same thought and care that RoE was given when it was designed. RoE is unique in that it is in no way related to anything Disney and it has a story. If they can create a new show with a lasting, meaningful story, I'm all for it. That's some big shoes to fill.

 

[Epcotrob]

Im not a big "Inferno Barge" fan. It doesnt do anything besides waste money in the form of propane. If you take it away from the show you still have a rather impressive show.

When I moved to FL it was right after the "barge" had its accident so it was not in the show the first 20 times I saw ROE. Not knowing I was missing anything I loved the show without it. Then it was returned and I went to see it and I found myself paying more attention to the fire than the story and show itself.

IMHO Thats not a good thing. To the average guest the shows story is confusing enough. ROE is my favorite show on property but I will welcome anyting new they want to do, as long as it is as good as ROE.

 

[wickedfan07]

I'm for a new show provided it is given the same thought and care that RoE was given when it was designed. RoE is unique in that it is in no way related to anything Disney and it has a story. If they can create a new show with a lasting, meaningful story, I'm all for it. That's some big shoes to fill.

Walking around Epcot last week, I felt like the park was sort of dead. There were a ton of people there (enough to cause a 145-minute wait for Soarin'), but the place had no enegergy. I think that during the Millennium Celebration, the place had energy, and RoE and Tapestry of Nations helped the park come alive. As a kid, I could feel it, and was amazed by it. Now, its just kind of...lifeless. Epcot needs to be reinvented into a cohesive park, not just a bunch of buildings. I agree with you, RoE's replacement needs to tell a meaningful story without characters. It needs to be something that ties everyone and verything in that park together. RoE does that, and I wish more things in Epcot would.

(I'm not about to comment on Epcot before 2000. I'd been to WDW before then, but right now, 2000 is the earliest trip I can really remember. And I'm not old enough to remember EPCOT Center.)

 

[dismedic]

wickedfan07

You are correct the millennium celebration brought life into the park with the torches lit all day and ROE at night the park was alive from the moment it opened its gates for the day. Now sadly its just there and getting worse back to the bland golf ball and faded colors of yesteryear, What a shame the celebration brought color and excitement to the park but the great purist on here must like watching cement harden that seems to be the excitement some enjoy.

EPCOT needs to take the next step like they had done in 1999 take a leap go for it make something new lights on the ball ye OK but wow really I could go to any park and see lights on a object, I am part of DVC for a reason to enjoy new and unique things that only Disney Magic can do not take a step back 25 years. I was there from the start in 82 as a teenager EPCOT held me and spellbound me with its technology , As a young adult never visited , As a family man its back for my family to enjoy not for my children to say thats so retro I saw this in your pictures you have big deal lets go home They need excitement amazement at what Disney is. Disney is a park for all old young as things change so must Disney's Magic.


Taking steps back the mirrors and faded lights on a ball are not advancements this makes for a graveyard of what was. Please do not give me the I enjoyed it the way it was as a kid , I was a kid back then to but realize the future of Disney is in our children's hands now not those of us from years gone past so we can say we love it too bad for those who are younger.

People do not return to see the same ol from the past they want new and different things otherwise we still be wearing leisure suits and disco balls would prevail along with bell bottom pants and stilt shoes.

EPCOT stands for the future now it is time for EPCOT to get caught up with future.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Um...the fire should be the focal point of the Chaos segment of the show. They are recreating the Big Bang, of which the centerpiece was also the massive explosion at the center--all of the stuff shooting off from that central explosion (stars, which we see as the fireworks) would be secondary to the central event. What's the problem?

 

[unkadug]

wickedfan07

You are correct the millennium celebration brought life into the park with the torches lit all day and ROE at night the park was alive from the moment it opened its gates for the day. Now sadly its just there and getting worse back to the bland golf ball and faded colors of yesteryear, What a shame the celebration brought color and excitement to the park but the great purist on here must like watching cement harden that seems to be the excitement some enjoy.

EPCOT needs to take the next step like they had done in 1999 take a leap go for it make something new lights on the ball ye OK but wow really I could go to any park and see lights on a object, I am part of DVC for a reason to enjoy new and unique things that only Disney Magic can do not take a step back 25 years. I was there from the start in 82 as a teenager EPCOT held me and spellbound me with its technology , As a young adult never visited , As a family man its back for my family to enjoy not for my children to say thats so retro I saw this in your pictures you have big deal lets go home They need excitement amazement at what Disney is. Disney is a park for all old young as things change so must Disney's Magic.


Taking steps back the mirrors and faded lights on a ball are not advancements this makes for a graveyard of what was. Please do not give me the I enjoyed it the way it was as a kid , I was a kid back then to but realize the future of Disney is in our children's hands now not those of us from years gone past so we can say we love it too bad for those who are younger.

People do not return to see the same ol from the past they want new and different things otherwise we still be wearing leisure suits and disco balls would prevail along with bell bottom pants and stilt shoes.

EPCOT stands for the future now it is time for EPCOT to get caught up with future.

That's kinda hard to comprehend.:shrug:

 

[JimboJones123]

I hope they dispose of the 12 minute intermission where the island catches fire and they play that crappy elevator music. Get some fun back in this show. I miss the Bad News Bears.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I hope they dispose of the 12 minute intermission where the island catches fire and they play that crappy elevator music. Get some fun back in this show. I miss the Bad News Bears.

Personally, I would've preferred they dropped the We Go On finale, which I think pales in comparison to the Celebration finale (the last minute of the main show before everything goes dark and the newbies think the show is over) and placed those fireworks in the middle. A peaceful break between Chaos and Adventure is fine, they should've just had it be the Space section though, and had the fireworks return during Life.

For those of you who don't know, the show is organized into sections:
1) Prologue: Acceleration
2) Chaos (Inferno Barge)
3) Space (Earth Barge travels to center of World Showcase lagoon as earth solidifies and gains water)
4) Life (animals)
5) Adventure (humans show up)
6) Home (where the fireworks finally return)
7) Celebration (in my mind, the best pyro in the show)
8) Meaning ("We Go On")

I find that Chaos, Home, and Celebration make the show (Acceleration is cool, too) and everything else drags. Hopefully the next show removes these lulls. Wishes doesn't seem to have them, it just has poor dialogue and no where near the story depth of IllumiNations or even Fantasmic! (love or hate Fantasmic!, it has a reasonably clear story).

 

[RiversideBunny]

Walking around Epcot last week, I felt like the park was sort of dead. There were a ton of people there (enough to cause a 145-minute wait for Soarin'), but the place had no enegergy. I think that during the Millennium Celebration, the place had energy, and RoE and Tapestry of Nations helped the park come alive. As a kid, I could feel it, and was amazed by it. Now, its just kind of...lifeless. Epcot needs to be reinvented into a cohesive park, not just a bunch of buildings. I agree with you, RoE's replacement needs to tell a meaningful story without characters. It needs to be something that ties everyone and verything in that park together. RoE does that, and I wish more things in Epcot would.

(I'm not about to comment on Epcot before 2000. I'd been to WDW before then, but right now, 2000 is the earliest trip I can really remember. And I'm not old enough to remember EPCOT Center.)

Whether the Christmas decorations are up or not makes a tremendous difference to EPCOT.
During the Christmas season it is really lit up with all sorts of lights that give it a lot of energy and cohesiveness.
Christmas affects EPCOT more than the other parks. It's literally like someone flippped a switch and turned on the after burners in the Magic engine.
:xmas: :xmas: :xmas: :xmas: :xmas:

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Personally, I would've preferred they dropped the We Go On finale, which I think pales in comparison to the Celebration finale (the last minute of the main show before everything goes dark and the newbies think the show is over) and placed those fireworks in the middle. A peaceful break between Chaos and Adventure is fine, they should've just had it be the Space section though, and had the fireworks return during Life.

For those of you who don't know, the show is organized into sections:
1) Prologue: Acceleration
2) Chaos (Inferno Barge)
3) Space (Earth Barge travels to center of World Showcase lagoon as earth solidifies and gains water)
4) Life (animals)
5) Adventure (humans show up)
6) Home (where the fireworks finally return)
7) Celebration (in my mind, the best pyro in the show)
8) Meaning ("We Go On")

I find that Chaos, Home, and Celebration make the show (Acceleration is cool, too) and everything else drags. Hopefully the next show removes these lulls. Wishes doesn't seem to have them, it just has poor dialogue and no where near the story depth of IllumiNations or even Fantasmic! (love or hate Fantasmic!, it has a reasonably clear story).

I have to disagree with the Meaning finale. Celebration is a fairly stereotypical fireworks finale. Plus, it stands as a fake ending, and you get a good portion clapping. I think the Meaning section is both reflective and, because of the surprise factor of this "second" ending, truly makes the show. I guess I'm just ana rtist by nature, but the pure artistry and symbolism of Meaning if you pay attention to it is almost greater than anything else for the rest of the show save for the climax of Home with the faces and gold fireworks.

I guess as with any piece of art, some "get it/get into it" others "don't".

 

[JimboJones123]

I'll vote that I don't. It's like the biggest constipation of all fireworks shows.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I have to disagree with the Meaning finale. Celebration is a fairly stereotypical fireworks finale. Plus, it stands as a fake ending, and you get a good portion clapping. I think the Meaning section is both reflective and, because of the surprise factor of this "second" ending, truly makes the show. I guess I'm just ana rtist by nature, but the pure artistry and symbolism of Meaning if you pay attention to it is almost greater than anything else for the rest of the show save for the climax of Home with the faces and gold fireworks.

I guess as with any piece of art, some "get it/get into it" others "don't".

I agree with you on the artistry, I just find the music to be much better during Celebration and the use of pyro synchronized with music stronger. So while I agree with you from an artistic perspective, I think from the traditional guest's perspective, the more traditional Celebration "false finale" is stronger while Meaning was more applicable during the Millennium Celebration. Trust me, I "get" it, I just find Celebration much more uplifting with more diverse usage of pyrotechnics--not just the blinding low level pyro launches followed by a very basic set of fireworks exploding for 5 seconds that we find in Meaning. It feels anticlimactic to me. The whole show is a bit disjointed--very artistic, but for the average "The Seas with Nemo and Friends" guest, they might find themselves ready for a nap at a few moments. Not so with Wishes. There, the guest will only want to gouge their eyes out if they hear the word "wish" one more time.

 

[cb3k]

I find the musical score to be tops throughout the whole show (with the exception of 'Meaning', just not to exciting to me) and the lighting of the rooftops, the narrative in the beginning, and of course the fireworks are all incredible. However, I feel that the projected images are tough to see and tough to decipher a real story from. They seem to be dated, and pretty bland. Should a new show arise I am all in favor for projections to still occur during the show so long as they are fresh, new, and vibrant. Of course, everything else must remain up to Par of RoE in order for me to consider it successor a success.

 

[CrashNet]

There will always be a portion of the show that has no pyro. This is a show, not a FIREWORKS show. Can't really go balls to the wall fireworks all the way through and tell a decent story.

 

[ToTBellHop]

There will always be a portion of the show that has no pyro. This is a show, not a FIREWORKS show. Can't really go balls to the wall fireworks all the way through and tell a decent story.

yes, but there is almost nothing in the middle of the show. What lasers the show does use are hard to see (quite visible in select locations if there is enough smoke, while virtually invisible elsewhere) and seldom used. Plus, those brilliant lights on the World Showcase buildings are only lit up about 10 seconds. 5 minutes of images on a spinning tv that is in enormous need of refurbishment with unimpressive water effects is lame--get water effects like the show at Bellagio and use the lasers more, and I'll be fine with a lack of fireworks.

 

[CrashNet]

yes, but there is almost nothing in the middle of the show. What lasers the show does use are hard to see (quite visible in select locations if there is enough smoke, while virtually invisible elsewhere) and seldom used. Plus, those brilliant lights on the World Showcase buildings are only lit up about 10 seconds. 5 minutes of images on a spinning tv that is in enormous need of refurbishment with unimpressive water effects is lame--get water effects like the show at Bellagio and use the lasers more, and I'll be fine with a lack of fireworks.

Oh I know...I haven't ever been overly impressed with that portion, but I accept it as such. There is a show in Tokyo I believe that has fountain barges with moving fountain heads. I'm hoping skydance (or whatever its called) will incorporate those and the 80 foot launchers like those on the Fountain of Nations. There is a lot that can be done with water. As there is with fire. Upgrade of the globe (which will go under rehab someday)...new laser effects, conversion of the pavilion lighting to LED to eliminate burned out bulbs (this would also allow color and more programming effects)...there is a lot to throw around to upgrade the show for the next incarnation.

 

[marni1971]

Tokyos DisneySea Symphony showed what can be done with moving fountain heads and moving lighting heads. Some of the effects were amazing - more so than BraviSEAmo. And if needs be revert back to the duel colour lasers of 1988. The Wavelength knocks the socks off full spectrum lasers.

As for the paviliom effects, don`t get me started on them. After researching the GE installations of late `87 for IllumiNations the visuals today are wasted. One easy enhancement to RoE would be to shorten some of `life` and `adventure` and reintroduce the countries in a longer segment using updated versions of the `88 effects.

 

[jiminy.cricket]

Tokyo DisneySea Symphony showed what can be done with moving fountain heads and moving lighting heads. Some of the effects were amazing - more so than BraviSEAmo. And if needs be revert back to the duel colour lasers of 1988. The Wavelength knocks the socks off full spectrum lasers.

As for the pavilion effects, don`t get me started on them. After researching the GE installations of late `87 for IllumiNations the visuals today are wasted. One easy enhancement to RoE would be to shorten some of `life` and `adventure` and reintroduce the countries in a longer segment using updated versions of the `88 effects.

It's so interesting that you mentioned DisneySea Symphony! I just saw a video (which was awesome; loved the projections and sparkles on Mount Prometheus) and it seems like the show is loosely based on RoE! Given that RoE is even more relevant to Epcot or even EPCOT than the Symphony is to DisneySea, I feel like it could be an experience more amazing than it already is!

I definitely think there should be a little bit of...not necessarily a storyline, but something going on to occupy the mind during that long fountain sequence--not necessarily something expensive. And I agree; I feel that some of the visual effects are wasted. Maybe lasers could be projected onto the globe or something in the middle or SSE instead of into the sky. I have to make an effort to actually notice the lasers when I'm focusing on all the pyro. This way, the lasers would also avoid interfering with air traffic! I wouldn't even mind a little less pyro and more lasers, or lasers during sequences with no pyro, or shortening the portions mentioned. Of course it's not my call and I don't know anything about running the show, but since I'm obsessed I like to add my hypothetical two pennies.

 

[cooleo]

Im not a big "Inferno Barge" fan. It doesnt do anything besides waste money in the form of propane. If you take it away ...

Hey Epcotrob! Love your avatar. Did you design the t-shirt over @ cafepress with that logo. I thought they were awesome & ordered a set for my whole family to wear on our upcoming trip.