Shrek 4D better than Philhar magic?

[the-reason]

Your right,some people may like universalhurl: not me)and some people may love disneysohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: Yeah thats me HOLLA)

Disneyworld is a family destination,not a park for thrills and all that,I love rollercoasters and such,but comparing them parks to WDW,it dont even come close.if the average thrill seeker dont like disney thats fine ,cause if all the thrill seekers didnt go to DW,it still will be at the top cause its there for its family audience,and thats that.The thrill seekers come to florida to ride rollercoasters and all that, they go from park to park riding all the coaster they have and then probably leave.

And when you think about it, what is universal half thrills half family park:veryconfu ,I mean its not a vacation destination,kids dont dream about it,no good lovable characters walking around young children dying to see, so what is it?just a very nice clean amusement park with different kinds of rides

 

[the-reason]

Oh yeah,one more thing(sorry guys) I will never go see shrek for nothing,because it basically copies all the special effects disney already has placed in a 3d movie,and id probably wouldnt see philharmagic either,cause I dont like the sensation of those 4d effects(like the mice in HISTA )I didnt even bother to see ITTBAB cause my friend told me about its 4d effectseek: )

 

[Tim G]

Originally posted by NemoRocks78
Ah,Shrek 4D will be one hundred times better than Philarmagic. I love Shrek's queue,they have all those posters making fun of Disney attractions. The movie has a lot of Disney rip-offs too,which makes it funny. MP is all about Mickey conducting an orchestra. Now please dont tell me MP will be a lot better.

I like the way shrek4D has been done (don't like The figure though), but I hate the queue, I think it doesn't serve any purpose making silly jokes about Disney...
I haven't seen any stupid jokes about Universal in disney queues..


But.....what can you expect from a French Water Company, maybe they'll learn.... eventually...:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[CTXRover]

I know this is WAY off from Shrek, but its something that has kind of been bothering me. It is about this whole Universal is a thrill park and Disney is a family park and how Disney is now supposedly building thrill rides because they feel some threat from Universal, let me provide some interesting things to ponder.

First, prior to Universal's opening of Islands of Adventure, no one would have called Universal a "thrill" park. True, their attractions were designed for a more "mature" crowd when compared to the Magic Kingdom, but their slate was a far cry from being a thrill park. That said, Disney's primary focus has been (and currently still is, despite what some may say) providing the best in family entertainment. That included providing "thrill" rides, such as Walt's very own Mattahorn (sp?) at Disneyland, providing the world with the first "steel" coaster. Why? Because despite making rides for "everyone", there was always those persons who wanted a "thrill".

Thus, to cater to that member(s) in the family, Disney as a company designed and built some of the world's most amazing thrill rides, way before the words "Islands of Adventure" were even said in a planning room. For instance, prior to IOA's opening, Walt Disney World built Space Mountain, Thunder Mountain, Star Tours (the first in theme park simulations), Splash Mountain, TOWER OF TERROR (which is still considered by many to be the best "thrill" ride in the Orlando region) and Alien Encounter, all this plus others before 1995. By then, some rumors may have been circling about Universal's plans to build a "thrill-oriented" theme park. Since that time, Disney has built Test Track, Disney's Animal Kingdom theme park, with Dinosaur!, an attraction using technology developed for the Indiana Jones Adventure that opened at Disneyland before that (and way before IOA).

Then IOA was "born" and suddenly all these people think Disney has some desire to start building thrill rides to compete. In reality, Disney already had a great line-up of thrill attractions. In fact, only RnRC and Mission:Space have been built since IOA, but taking into the consideration that MS has taken nearly 6 years from conception to its opening, Disney didn't decide to open this in light of IOA. In fact, it was in development and planning way before IOA ever let its first guest in.

Does that mean any "thrill-type" attraction Disney builds from now on (like Everest) is in response to a certain "thrill-oriented" park down the road? Hardly, it seems like they've been doing these types of rides for years.


** I should note that although I focused on "thrill" attractions, Disney has opened MANY more attractions over that course of time that ENTIRE families can do. Since of course, they are a "family" park.

 

[mr snrub]

one thing i found odd is that its Disneys two biggest competitors (Dreamworks and Universal) against Disney's Two strongest forces. (Magic Kingdom and Mickey Mouse and co..)

 

[Mikejakester]

Ok Children settle Down... J/K!

RnRCJohn If thats you in the pic, your wise beyond your years.

tomman710 Might not like this... but I have to say it buddy!



Im glad Universal is in Orlando... It only makes Disney Better by competition. As much as you say Universal is a loser. You have to think of it as a Team that has the potential of taking away the "title" next seaon, Universal is Disney biggest Competitor, and apperantly they aren't doing too bad to be fighting agaist a GIANT. Any other would of died long ago. But universal is still there and expanding, so Disney can never be too carefull... So Im Glad Universal is in Orlando... who knows how Disney would be right now with out Universal... i mean, Do you guys think disney would of developed MS, EE, AE, with out Universal steping on their hills? Disney had to tighten up on the thrill factor...

But Universal is a baby cub, and Disney is a full grown bear.
As for the French.. Im not a racist. As for attendance... you can only compare MGN and animal Kindom with Universal. Not all 4 Disney Parks, and definatly not Epcot or MK, Much bigger and mature parks.

Universal is still a baby. Don't pick on the poor thing... Disney is big and strong it can handle. It dosen't need help.

Disney is Great! Universal is Great! anheser bush is great! It's a great ORLANDO/ Tampabay expierience.


EDIT: Has this been the greated Thread Drift EVER or WHAT!!??

Geez... I'll be carefull next time, and think twice.


:wave::hammer:

 

[tomman710]

Originally posted by Mikejakester
Do you guys think disney would of developed MS, EE, AE, with out Universal steping on their hills?

Yes they would have those or something else just as good. Those things are in plannings stages for years and years. Face it there is no argument that you can make that will make Universal better, and no Universal will not be taking over Disney "next season" or the next hundred years. The more likely event is that Universal will fold under the pressure in the next 10-15 years. It can't compete.

 

[RnRCJohn]

RnRCJohn If thats you in the pic, your wise beyond your years.

Yep thats me, Thanks!

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

Originally posted by tomman710
Yes they would have those or something else just as good. Those things are in plannings stages for years and years. Face it there is no argument that you can make that will make Universal better, and no Universal will not be taking over Disney "next season" or the next hundred years. The more likely event is that Universal will fold under the pressure in the next 10-15 years. It can't compete.

Oh they can't compete? Haven't you been doing some reading here? Disney attendance drop and Universal's rises... hmmmm what does this mean? that is the only fact I have read on this post up until now... And it's about time we go back to the real thread...

EDIT: My brothers are going first time this year and at first we had a tight schedule so I asked them what would they preffer AK or IOA and they chose IOA... just shows people have different opinions...

I personaly think Shrek 4D is great but I will have to wait for MP this October!!! Yippy!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tomman710]

Originally posted by DisneyFan 2000
Oh they can't compete? Haven't you been doing some reading here? Disney attendance drop and Universal's rises... hmmmm what does this mean? that is the only fact I have read on this post up until now... And it's about time we go back to the real thread...

Ok well if you want to look at it that way, it's worse for Universal. If Universal attendance has been rising and Disney attendance has been dropping yet Disney attendance is still eons above any number Universal could ever dream of, then what does that say about Universal? Doesn't look pretty good if all this alleged rising isn't getting them anywhere.

And as for them picking IOA over AK, I have never said nobody could like or not like Universal. That was never what I was saying, I know everyone has different opinions. I would certainly pick a half day at AK over many days at IOA, but that's just me.

 

[Legacy]

Okay, yes E:E, M:S, RnRC have been on drawing boards for a while... but here is an idea.

THOSE CONCEPTS CHANGE IN ORDER TO BE MORE APPEALING!!!

From what I understood the original concept for Mission:Space was another run of the mill simulator. Spiderman opened up and all of sudden Disney seemed to be frantic for another thrill ride to compete. Mummy gets announced and a few months later people start hearing about Everest. The rumor mill (and reliable sources) have told me numerous times that the fifth Disney gate is on the boards and ready to be built once they get the money. What is it, you ask? How about the villians-themed Shadow-Lands.

What! A thrill-oriented park that seems to be built to compete with IOA?! No Disney doesn't need to do that if they are superior do they?

And don't try to make it sound like Disney is so original. Do you really think they invented the carousel, roller coaster and dark-ride? The make those things on another level, but Universal is forcing them to raise the bar.

 

[tomman710]

Originally posted by Kicker
From what I understood the original concept for Mission:Space was another run of the mill simulator. Spiderman opened up and all of sudden Disney seemed to be frantic for another thrill ride to compete.

Nope, my friend's brother is an imagineer, Mission:Space was orginally gonna be more intense than it is now, if that is even possible. I don't quite know everything but he definately said it was even a more ambitious project than it is now but they toned it down and pared it down alot and it still is one of a kind and makes every other motion sim absolete. So that I definately know you are wrong about.

As for the Villans park, that has been rumored forever long before IOA, if it is going to be announced soon it is not to compete with IOA it is to put the final nail in the coffin to Universal. If Disney actually made a coaster park, that would practically render Universal useless. The coasters were the only real argument you could make that made Universal worth making the effort to go to, and they aren't even that great of coasters compared to RNRC or even anything at Cedar Point. If Disney adds a whole coaster atmosphere kinda park then Universal is finished. That's my opinion at least and the likely logical conclusion.

 

[Legacy]

You seem really confident that Universal is going to 'die' due to Disney. I really don't think you understand the way the tourism industry in Orlando works.

Ever hear of Splendid China? What about The Holy Land Experience? Didn't think so. Guess what... those are attractions that still have a decent guest base despite the fact the Disney is SUPERIOR. Have they died? No... and a park like Universal won't 'die' either because despite what you believe it is still a great park, and is only getting better.

SeaWorld has been around almost as long as WDW has... but I don't see them 'dying'. See... Orlando has a lot more to offer than people give it credit for. Because Disney has movies, and TV shows, and merchandising that is more character specific than Universal (I haven't heard anything on the copy-right ruling yet), people assume it is a better park. You say that it is a FACT that Disney is superior because of numbers. I am not saying that is not true, but you are not taking things into perspective...

Disney- 4 Parks, 2 Water Parks, 3 Golf Courses, 2 Miniature Golf Courses, about a dozen resorts and 2 night time areas (Downtown Disney and the Boardwalk)... and it has been open 35 years.

Universal- 2 Parks, Wet-n-Wild (Universal owned and operated, but not part the resort area), 3 resorts and a night time area that has the most attended theater in Orlando... and it has been open 14 years.

See that age difference? That is over 2 decades of experience over Universal... and Universal is still taking guests away? Disney, thanks to Mickey Eisner is losing a lot, with the animation department's recent failings, ABC, less than steller attendance numbers...

To continue the sports analogy that you love so much, Tomman... Disney is turning into the Dallas Cowboys of the mid-90's... a titan slowly losing strength and momentum... and Universal is like the Bills ready, and willing, to take the crown as soon as the oppurtunity presents itself.

Do I think Universal is perfect?... no... not by a long shot.

Do I think Disney is the end all, be all of theme parks?... I use to. But after going pretty much bi-monthly for over 5-years, you begin to notice steady declines. And as much as you may not want to hear it... Universal is enjoying picking up the slack, because that makes them look better.

It may not be the most idealistic thing in the world... but all is fair in fight for the almighty Orlando tourist.

(Edited for grammer... roughly)

 

[tomman710]

Right, I agree with you that Disney is a different entity. They do have years on them and they are bigger and everything. That's why I was saying they are obviously superior and shouldn't be compared. I am glad you agree that they are superior ... I will concede a little ... do I think it is out of the realm of possibilty that Universal could keep growing and one day overtake Disney, no ... it is highly unlikely and not probable, but it is not impossible.

As for all those other places in Orlando ... they exist because od Disney, if Disney wasn't there they wouldn't be there. That you have to admit, Disney brought alot to Orlando.

You forgot the Bills never won it though, so you can't use the Bills if you want to make an analogy of real competition.

So I think we are actually starting to agree on some stuff, wow what a big step for us. Friends, now?

 

[Legacy]

You know something... you simply saying that it is not impossible for Universal to overtake Disney is good enough for me. I guess I just have to much of a native love of Universal (yeah... Disney made Orlando... but a lot of still consider it a California thing).

I think no that we got that arguement out of the way we can be cool now.

 

[tomman710]

Good ... even though you still are a flithy dirty Universal lover.

 

[Legacy]

Eh... it happens you get paid to scare drunk people there.

All I ever did at Disney was sing.

(Scaring drunks is a good bit more enjoyable...)

 

[tomman710]

Originally posted by Kicker
Eh... it happens you get paid to scare drunk people there.

All I ever did at Disney was sing.

(Scaring drunks is a good bit more enjoyable...)

Paid to scare drunks?

 

[Legacy]

Halloween Horror Nights @ Universal Orlando

The premium Halloween event in Orlando

(unless you count Howl-o-scream at Busch Gardens, but that is a completely different arguement.)

 

[tomman710]

Uh we were having a normal conversation there for a min ... thankfully you provided me with an opening ...

Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party is the number one Halloween event in Orlando it is SUPERIOR to all others ...

Universal SUCKS! SHREK SUCKS!! YOU SUCK!!

There now we are back on track ...




Just kidding ...