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Shrek 4D better than Philhar magic?
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DisneyFan 2000
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You simply cannot say one ride is better than the other because every one has an OPINION!!!
Now that's a FACT!!!
EDIT: the uni rides aren't rip offs... it's competion
Now that's a FACT!!!
EDIT: the uni rides aren't rip offs... it's competion
Legacy
Well-Known Member
If your only argument against Universal is that it is a 'french company' then you need to back out of this debate right now. Universal Pictures was started in the 1920's in California. That company has since grown to encompass a great deal of properties, including Universal Studios when it first opened. Vivendi bought the property in the late 1990's. UNIVERSAL WAS CREATED BEFORE DISNEY. So to say that Universal is french is like saying the Statue of Liberty was made by Americans.
Oh... and there are a lot of people on this board who know I like theme parks... I don't care what the name is.
And tomman... you must be confusing Kali River Rapids for Splash Mountain if you think that disgrace of a rapids ride is better than Bluto.
tomman710
Well-Known Member
I never said anyone should or could like or not like Universal. That was never what I was debating. It is my OPINION that there is absolutely nothing of value at Universal that could constitue anyone liking it, that is my opinion. However, I know that there are people who do like it or else it wouldn't stay in business, but according to the numbers and reports the number of people who like Universal are CONSIDERABLY less then Disney. The numbers clearly show that Disney dominates Universal in everything, which makes it a FACT that Universal is inferior you can't argue with that. That's like saying well the Yankees won the World Series but it's your opinion that they are the world champions, NO it is FACT that they are the superior team, they are the world champs. And I hate the Yankees by the way.
As for the comment about Kali River Rapids, yea it is sub-par for Disney, it's not a great ride, actually I don't think I ever ride it anymore but yes it is way better than Bluto and the gobs of other pointless water rides they have at IOA.
DisneyFan 2000
Well-Known Member
I just think you have something personal against uni...
Bad experience?
Bad experience?
tomman710
Well-Known Member
No I don't have anything personal against Universal. I have been to IOA once, and Universal Studios twice, and even been to the one in California once too. I would never do it again, especially when the Disney parks are so close, why waste time and money there when I could be at Disney, just doesn't make alot of sense.
DisneyFan 2000
Well-Known Member
P.S. Although I personaly like Disney more I had a great time at the competing studio!!! Very nicely made attractions
Think of it this way. If Disney closed tomorrow for ever you would have...
- Some 60,000 cast members without a job. They are after all the largest single site employer in the world.
- Universial and Sea World would die a fairly quick death probably within a year.
- The Central Florida economy would plummit as would the state of florida which relies on Tourism and Agriculture.
- Hundreds of local hotels, restaurants, gas stations, small attractions and other companies would be put out of bussiness(not to mention the local companies that supply disney with food, materials, merchandise and who knows what else) creating more unemployment.
- MCO would suffer a severe hit, hurting an already struggling airline industry.
- The loss of millions of dollars of money and food currently donated to local charities, schools, and other organizations.
- Millions of families would lose a favorite vacation spot.
Universal closes...
- Wow not much changes. Sure there some unemployment but they can find other jobs. However Orlando and Central Florida has whole will survive as they did for so many years before Univesal.
You must remember Disney made central Florida what it is today and disney can also break Central Flrorida. If not for Disney Universal would not exist. Did you ever think about how their are Disney resorts in California, Florida, Japan, and France. And how their are Universal parks in California, Florida, Japan and well right next to France is Spain where there is another Universal park. Trust me thats no coincidence.
- Some 60,000 cast members without a job. They are after all the largest single site employer in the world.
- Universial and Sea World would die a fairly quick death probably within a year.
- The Central Florida economy would plummit as would the state of florida which relies on Tourism and Agriculture.
- Hundreds of local hotels, restaurants, gas stations, small attractions and other companies would be put out of bussiness(not to mention the local companies that supply disney with food, materials, merchandise and who knows what else) creating more unemployment.
- MCO would suffer a severe hit, hurting an already struggling airline industry.
- The loss of millions of dollars of money and food currently donated to local charities, schools, and other organizations.
- Millions of families would lose a favorite vacation spot.
Universal closes...
- Wow not much changes. Sure there some unemployment but they can find other jobs. However Orlando and Central Florida has whole will survive as they did for so many years before Univesal.
You must remember Disney made central Florida what it is today and disney can also break Central Flrorida. If not for Disney Universal would not exist. Did you ever think about how their are Disney resorts in California, Florida, Japan, and France. And how their are Universal parks in California, Florida, Japan and well right next to France is Spain where there is another Universal park. Trust me thats no coincidence.
DisneyFan 2000
Well-Known Member
Or.........................................
Universal would expand greatly sea world will build a new animal kingdom and they will dominate!!!
You will never know till it happens!!!
Universal would expand greatly sea world will build a new animal kingdom and they will dominate!!!
You will never know till it happens!!!
AndyMagic
Well-Known Member
Actually, even that isn't a fact. The fact is that Disney has higher attendance but who is "doing better" will still always be opinion. What IS a fact is that Universal's attendance has been steadily climbing while Disney's has been steadily plummeting. They are both wonderful parks that have something for everyone and Universal only makes Disney work harder to be the best. Without competition, who knows what rides wouldn't even be at WDW today.
mr snrub
New Member
Its JUST a name. If it wasnt right next to WDW, we would all think it was cool since it wasnt interfering with the sacred land.
i have never been to universal, but im sure there are some attractions that are far superior to their disney counterparts, but people assume that since they are made by universal, it is terrible.
The whole thing is kinda like pepsi-coke or McDonalds and Burger King.
and tomman710 need to check where his head is
i have never been to universal, but im sure there are some attractions that are far superior to their disney counterparts, but people assume that since they are made by universal, it is terrible.
The whole thing is kinda like pepsi-coke or McDonalds and Burger King.
and tomman710 need to check where his head is
Beastie Boy
New Member
That was uncalled for. He hasn't resorted to put downs or cracks on you idiots yet, and I feel at this point because of all you people cracking on him he is totally warranted. He makes valid points that none of you morons have been able to provide a decent rebuttal to. The above poster is right to, there would be no Orlando, let alone Universal without Disney. Oh and the idiot above who has never been to Universal but still felt the need to defend it, what is your problem? Your calling out tomman710 but he has a right to be in the conversation, you on the other hand are defending something you know nothing about. Get a clue, you troglodyte.
Legacy
Well-Known Member
Beastie Boy... that last post was a back breaker. I hope you realize that you treading on this ice at this moment.
Tomman... you keep saying that Disney is 'dominating' the Orlando area... but in all of the industry news that there is... I haven't seen a new Disney attraction outrank a new Universal one in at least three years. That is a fact. It is also a fact, Pan, that the Magic Kingdom has been open 15 years longer than Universal Studios. For that reason alone it will be a larger enterprise in the area, with more influence. But Universal has made more and more progressive steps (and dare I say it... INNOVATIONS?
) that have been providing Disney competition. As stated before, Disney's numbers have been steadily dropping, yet Universal's continues to rise. That FACT alone should be enough to make you think that, 'Hey, maybe Universal isn't so bad.' And the thing is though is that it keeps getting better as well.
To call me a narrow-minded Universal follower is an unfounded assumption made on a lack of information and knowledge. I have performed for both and been to both NUMEROUS times. That is one of the advantages to living so close. I go home in September and I have every intention of going to every park, because that is what I do. Do I prefer Universal to Disney? Yes, absolutely; and for those of you who live outside the Orlando area, most of the population does as well. Universal has the local's heart, because it is so much more attainable than Disney. It sits right on I-4, and people love that. If I didn't like Disney, I wouldn't have joined this site would I? And considering how long I have been here, I seem to do a good job of not getting on people's bad side... and I feel that is because I feel I am very OPEN.
This thread is going to get locked pretty soon... so get your last shots in while you can.
Tomman... you keep saying that Disney is 'dominating' the Orlando area... but in all of the industry news that there is... I haven't seen a new Disney attraction outrank a new Universal one in at least three years. That is a fact. It is also a fact, Pan, that the Magic Kingdom has been open 15 years longer than Universal Studios. For that reason alone it will be a larger enterprise in the area, with more influence. But Universal has made more and more progressive steps (and dare I say it... INNOVATIONS?
) that have been providing Disney competition. As stated before, Disney's numbers have been steadily dropping, yet Universal's continues to rise. That FACT alone should be enough to make you think that, 'Hey, maybe Universal isn't so bad.' And the thing is though is that it keeps getting better as well. To call me a narrow-minded Universal follower is an unfounded assumption made on a lack of information and knowledge. I have performed for both and been to both NUMEROUS times. That is one of the advantages to living so close. I go home in September and I have every intention of going to every park, because that is what I do. Do I prefer Universal to Disney? Yes, absolutely; and for those of you who live outside the Orlando area, most of the population does as well. Universal has the local's heart, because it is so much more attainable than Disney. It sits right on I-4, and people love that. If I didn't like Disney, I wouldn't have joined this site would I? And considering how long I have been here, I seem to do a good job of not getting on people's bad side... and I feel that is because I feel I am very OPEN.
This thread is going to get locked pretty soon... so get your last shots in while you can.
CTXRover
Well-Known Member
Oh, here we go on a Disney vs Universal thing. It may not be my place to join this argument, but I wanted to mention one thing.
The fact that there are countless sites dedicated to Disney, especially Disney's theme parks, both Disney World and the Disneylands across the globe, combined with the fact that there are so many people, including myself, who feel "passionately" about the Disney theme parks, Disney will always have a certain edge that sets it apart. Try searching for Disney and Universal theme park fan sites and you will know what I mean. Perhaps it is because Disney has been around longer and therefore able to create such an amazing following and fanbase, I don't know. But no matter how you slice it, Disney still stands for the leader and inventor of what we have collectively come to call a theme park. Others can follow Disney's mold and produce out-of-this-world attractions, but there has and always will be only one Disney. That one Disney that so many people love and grow up with. I think we have Walt and Roy to thank for that
The fact that there are countless sites dedicated to Disney, especially Disney's theme parks, both Disney World and the Disneylands across the globe, combined with the fact that there are so many people, including myself, who feel "passionately" about the Disney theme parks, Disney will always have a certain edge that sets it apart. Try searching for Disney and Universal theme park fan sites and you will know what I mean. Perhaps it is because Disney has been around longer and therefore able to create such an amazing following and fanbase, I don't know. But no matter how you slice it, Disney still stands for the leader and inventor of what we have collectively come to call a theme park. Others can follow Disney's mold and produce out-of-this-world attractions, but there has and always will be only one Disney. That one Disney that so many people love and grow up with. I think we have Walt and Roy to thank for that
Legacy
Well-Known Member
I am not trying to say that Universal sets the standard in 'theme parks'; saying it is a FACT that Disney is better is taking a lot of information and twisting it into a way that is, overall, uncalled for. I do not deny that Disney has more guest, nor that they employ more people. That is a fact, yes. But to say that simply for that fact Disney is a 'superior-in-every-way' park is unfounded. Universal treats its employees better... that is from personal experience. Universal wants to beat Disney in the theme park race so bad it can taste it, that too is from personal experience. That desire to not be Disney, but be better than Disney is what makes Universal so unique. It has an edge to it. It is, in almost every way, the antithesis of Disney. I like that, and a lot of other people do too. I don't feel like I am in a fantasy world at Universal, I feel as if I am in a different realm. THAT is the difference that comes down to opinion... NOT FACT.
I think you are entitled to enjoy Disney so much. I can honestly say that you care more about the park than I do... and more than I do about Universal. The whole FACT thing is what got me involved... because the debate in the long run isn't based on 'fact', but on what individuals most desire. If you have a problem with excepting that people have a different outlook than you, than you might want to tighten up... because someday you are going to be fighting for the wrong thing... and it is going to bite you in the butt.
EDIT- And the PhilHarm and Shrek debate will still be opinion-based. I think PHM will be a much better attraction, just from what I know about it... but that is my opinion.
I think you are entitled to enjoy Disney so much. I can honestly say that you care more about the park than I do... and more than I do about Universal. The whole FACT thing is what got me involved... because the debate in the long run isn't based on 'fact', but on what individuals most desire. If you have a problem with excepting that people have a different outlook than you, than you might want to tighten up... because someday you are going to be fighting for the wrong thing... and it is going to bite you in the butt.
EDIT- And the PhilHarm and Shrek debate will still be opinion-based. I think PHM will be a much better attraction, just from what I know about it... but that is my opinion.