Should we still not worry?

[raven]

I've met at least 10 families who have spent a week just at Universal alone. They think Disney has become to expensive and theres no more value left in the park.

Even though Universal just raised their prices to match Disney's.

And for the record, the wording and posting style of you OP implies that HP is going to be the end-all of Disney:

Well i guess Disney is.......

well.....

doing nothing about it.

Could Potter be the reason Disney's earning are a little down? Should we still not worry?

Or is it time to worry a bit?

Don't try to back paddle now. It's quite clear you are pro-Universal trying to make waves on a Disney fan site.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Even though Universal just raised their prices to match Disney's.

And for the record, the wording and posting style of you OP implies that HP is going to be the end-all of Disney:



Don't try to back paddle now. It's quite clear you are pro-Universal trying to make waves on a Disney fan site.

Na I'm pro Disney sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[raven]

Na I'm pro Disney sorry to burst your bubble.

Even though you started 2 threads about the same topic saying Universal is way better and offers better attractions? Sorry, the proof is in your posts.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

But in a lot of cases it does :shrug:

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Even though you started 2 threads about the same topic saying Universal is way better and offers better attractions? Sorry, the proof is in your posts.

So just because a place has better attractions doesn't mean I'm going to like that park better. Great adventure has some better rides than WDW, but I don't like it better than WDW.

Sorry that's not my logic. On vacation I look for more than rides.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

But in a lot of cases it does :shrug:

It does.

But that doesn't mean I like it better.

 

[wm49rs]

Even though you started 2 threads about the same topic saying Universal is way better and offers better attractions? Sorry, the proof is in your posts.

Now the threads are full of adoration for WDW. To paraphrase the Bard, methinks he doth OP too much....

 

[Mouse Man]

Honestly, has any one been to uni in September before Harry Potter was even built. I was, the DWF and I after our 8 to 10 day stay at Disney was over would go to Uni. The fisrt year we went it was woderful and we were caught up in newness of a place we never been before. The next year after our Disney Vacation we stayed at one of the resorts and hated it. The third year we went again only to go to the parks and could not believe how know one was there. It was really depressing. My Brother lives in Lake Wales so we went last year with him and my Niece and Sister In-Law. The park again was not crowed and was really missing something. If it were'nt for my Brother and family the DWF and I would have left. This year we are not going and want to see the Kennedy space center. Every body is so worried that Uni is going to make them go poor or bankrupt. That is far from the case. Uni need an attraction like this to survive. I am happy for them. No one comes down to Fla to vacation and spend all there time at Uni like they do at WDW. Uni is a one to two day park at best where Disney is a 5 to 10 day Resort that makes pepople want to come back. I can not say that for Uni. Have I gone there, YES, did I like some of the attraction, YES, Would I keep going back NO. WDW is a class act that is full of fun and allows adults to feel like a kid again and allows kids imaginations to soar.

 

[raven]

So just because a place has better attractions doesn't mean I'm going to like that park better. Great adventure has some better rides than WDW, but I don't like it better than WDW.

Sorry that's not my logic. On vacation I look for more than rides.

Really? You have been knocking Disney and their attractions and pro-Potter in most of your posts. Let me do a little cut-and-paste since you can't remember:

Disney doesn't enjoy putting e tickets in their parks.

I think Universal had its right to raise theirs. I find better value in their attractions at the moment. Disney hasn't done anything in the past 4 years to create a huge hoopla like Potter has. Until they do I don't think raises in ticket prices are right.

I guess w shouldn't worry cause Disney is just doing a fine job.
:hammer::hammer::hammer:

This is from the second quarter and HP opened 2 weeks prior to the end of it. Just saying but hey.

I've met at least 10 families who have spent a week just at Universal alone. They think Disney has become to expensive and theres no more value left in the park. Just because of Potter. So those who think that WDW will benefit from Potter, well, I guess.

Then you say:

Everyone is putting words in my mouth. I've never said the things that are coming from some on these boards. It's a little annoying. I just asked a simple question. No need to attack me and say that I think Disney will demise. Geez.

Hmm. Wonder where they are getting that from?

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Really? You have been knocking Disney and their attractions and pro-Potter in most of your posts. Let me do a little cut-and-paste since you can't remember:









Then you say:



Hmm. Wonder where they are getting that from?

Wow 5 post!!! GEEZ YOU KNOW MY LIFE STORY!!

And none of those say anything about me liking Universal better now do they?

 

[misterID]

I would like to say your earlier post on why you feel HP will not turn into extra numbers for WDW is one of the first times I have seen a clear, well thought out argument on how HP will not help WDW's numbers and while it will not shut them down, it will have some effect on $$. Need more of it. My opinion is HP is either going to have no effect on WDW or would result in a boost to attendance. While I may not be in agreement with your opinion, thanks to you for the first time I see how mine may not be true.

As for the extremes this debate is going to, while you haven't said HP is going to seriously hurt WDW, others have, and some of them are more than just the newbie/summer vacation crowd. There are many, for the sake of reference, let's call them 'pro-WDW' who take offense to this. To be honest because of the way some of the arguments have been made, they have every right to be offended. However a few have taken it too far. The 'pro-Uni' side is also responsible for pushing this debate to the extreme by accusing others in the other threads on HP of either having their head in the sand or "brainwashed by the mouse". Even in response to a well thought out post like yours. It's unfortunate it's gotten to this point, the emotion here is not really because of this thread, but everything that has been building with all the HP-related threads this summer.

UNI taking a day from WDW vacations is really the most it could do.

HP has had an effect on WDW just from the success of it: the added attendance and merch sales. It doesn't have to have a direct negative impact on Disney to have an effect. It's money going to UNI that's not going to WDW. Any UNI success is bad for WDW, if not in a Disney fans mind, but it is in Disney's mind. Especially if it keeps happening and WDW doesn't answer with something just as big.

It has nothing about claiming any top spots or catching WDW's attendance numbers.

 

[Duckberg]

Duck & cover

What ME worry :veryconfu:veryconfu:veryconfu Duckberg

 

[Mrs.Toad]

After this week I believe there should be restraining orders on certain threads.:lol:

 

[unkadug]

After this week I believe there should be restraining orders on certain threads.:lol:

Give it a few more days and homework will take over their lives again.

 

[slappy magoo]

While I doubt Disney execs are pooping themselves when thinking about short-term effects of Potter on Universal, they'd have to be idiots to not look around at how well-themed that part of IoA is, and realize they need to step up their game. I'm not talking about anything as far-fetched as Uni becoming the premiere vacation destination in Orlando. But they now have some serious bragging rights. I don't know maybe I'm alone in this way of thinking, but here it is: I love going to WDW. Despite being a cynical sarcastic S.O.B., I can go to the World and be a total sucker for the "magic" shpiel. I'm a DVC member, I always stay on property, blah blah blah. But I think a lot of Uni's and IoA's attractions blow WDW out of the water. And the hell of it is, it's my combination of love for WDW and the way WDW kinda screws its guests by raising prices so much higher than the rate of inflation, that keeps me from going to Uni more often. I only have so much money, my lodging is paid for at WDW, and MYW pricing makes it more affordable to just do things onsite. That, and my wife likes to relax on vacation ONCE in a while, which we did not do when we also went to Uni.

Now, to a degree, WDW doesn't mind my way of thinking. I think Uni's better, BUT I spend far more time and money at WDW. It's a tradeoff they can live with, I'm sure. But sooner or later, if enough people share a similar way of thinking, it's going to bite the Mouse on the tail. I'm not saying WDW's ever going to have a "Going Out of Business" sale, but I am saying that they're in danger of losing their theme park mojo. First, people will start comparing Uni more favorably to WDW and then maybe, just maybe, a subtle shift will occur which actually affects WDW's bottom line. Time will tell, as will Star Tours 2.0 and the Fantasyland expansion. But if people start to think the true innovation is happening at Uni, it's going to mean people spending more than just one or two days of their WDW-based vacation at Uni. You may start seeing a more-even split, especially if Uni starts developing more to do, and more onsite amenities at their branded hotels.

*I'M* not worried about it. But WDW should be, at least to some degree.

 

[wdwfan22]

Wow 5 post!!! GEEZ YOU KNOW MY LIFE STORY!!

And none of those say anything about me liking Universal better now do they?

To me it just states your a kid trying to make waves on a Disney fan site.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

While I doubt Disney execs are pooping themselves when thinking about short-term effects of Potter on Universal, they'd have to be idiots to not look around at how well-themed that part of IoA is, and realize they need to step up their game. I'm not talking about anything as far-fetched as Uni becoming the premiere vacation destination in Orlando. But they now have some serious bragging rights. I don't know maybe I'm alone in this way of thinking, but here it is: I love going to WDW. Despite being a cynical sarcastic S.O.B., I can go to the World and be a total sucker for the "magic" shpiel. I'm a DVC member, I always stay on property, blah blah blah. But I think a lot of Uni's and IoA's attractions blow WDW out of the water. And the hell of it is, it's my combination of love for WDW and the way WDW kinda screws its guests by raising prices so much higher than the rate of inflation, that keeps me from going to Uni more often. I only have so much money, my lodging is paid for at WDW, and MYW pricing makes it more affordable to just do things onsite. That, and my wife likes to relax on vacation ONCE in a while, which we did not do when we also went to Uni.

Now, to a degree, WDW doesn't mind my way of thinking. I think Uni's better, BUT I spend far more time and money at WDW. It's a tradeoff they can live with, I'm sure. But sooner or later, if enough people share a similar way of thinking, it's going to bite the Mouse on the tail. I'm not saying WDW's ever going to have a "Going Out of Business" sale, but I am saying that they're in danger of losing their theme park mojo. First, people will start comparing Uni more favorably to WDW and then maybe, just maybe, a subtle shift will occur which actually affects WDW's bottom line. Time will tell, as will Star Tours 2.0 and the Fantasyland expansion. But if people start to think the true innovation is happening at Uni, it's going to mean people spending more than just one or two days of their WDW-based vacation at Uni. You may start seeing a more-even split, especially if Uni starts developing more to do, and more onsite amenities at their branded hotels.

*I'M* not worried about it. But WDW should be, at least to some degree.

I agree here whole-heartdley. But you can't say Universal has better attractions here, they'll think your a Universal fan. That's not allowed on a Disney fan site .

 

[slappy magoo]

I agree here whole-heartdley. But you can't say Universal has better attractions here, they'll think your a Universal fan. That's not allowed on a Disney fan site .

The trick is to sugarcoat it. To wit:

WDW provides the better overall immersive experience, and the theming of their hotels can't be beat, and if I had to choose solely one resort over the other - WDW vs. Uni - WDW would win out. But Uni, to its credit has some fantastic attractions that rival, if not better, the current crop of WDW attractions. I'd put Spiderman up against ToT any day, not to mention MiB over Buzz Lightyear. For me it's a tossup twixt Hulk and E:E, and Mummy buries RnRC. I loathe the Shrek movies, yet were it not for the nostalgic factor, I'd say Shrek 4D runs circles around Muppets, Its Tough To Be a Bug and Fantasmic. Nothing at WDW really compares to Jurassic Park. The Popeye's Bilge Rats owns Kali River Rapids. And I haven't even been to Uni's parks since Simpsons and Potter opened. If these attractions happened to be at a Disney Park, they'd be amongst the most popular attractions in its respective parks. Where Disney still totally owns Uni is its catering to the precious 'n twee set, which I'd only expect to get better after FLE. Uni has nothing compared to the educationally-based exhibits throughout Epcot. There's much WDW still does better than Uni. But I suspect Uni is learning from WDW in order to step up their game, whereas WDW is more content to offer promotions and packages, restaurants and meet & greets to keep people onsite, rather than blaze trails in new attractions. And when they do think big picture, it's for things that will cost people even moremoney, like that Nighttime Kingdom concept, whatever it was caled, that would've cost beaucoup bucks and added nothing to the other parks.

And that thinking will eventually - not now, but eventually - start to hurt them. And as a DVC member, who has something invested emotionally and financially in returning to Disney many times in the future, I hope what they have in the pipeline is prepared to dazzle, and that they stop resting on laurels and past glories.

 

[kapeman]

And that thinking will eventually - not now, but eventually - start to hurt them. And as a DVC member, who has something invested emotionally and financially in returning to Disney many times in the future, I hope what they have in the pipeline is prepared to dazzle, and that they stop resting on laurels and past glories.

Hear, hear!

 

[mp2bill]

Truthfully, I have my own life to worry about. I never panic over WDW. It's just a place in which to have fun with my family.

Exactly. And if more people are going to Universal, that's just shorter lines for me.