Well, to an extent, aren't these free sites just as illegal? Disney puts out their own park DVDs and they have their own web sites. If they wanted these rides on their web site, wouldn't they do it themselves? And just because these rides aren't on the Disney official sites, does that give the fan site owners the right to run videos of them anyway? You're still enjoying Disney properties without paying Disney reguardless of the fact that you're not paying anyone to do so. What would it matter if they're free or not? Is the added factor of money the only this that takes this from an acceptable copyright infringement into unacceptable? Free videos on the internet are still an infringement. Just as much as if I said I was 'just' going to buy this one set and never again buy any other as opposed to the people who say they have a full library of fan DVDs they bought of the internet and will never stop. Buying one set is as much as an infrigment as 10 as much as seeing them for free. Not saying this suddenly justifies buying bootleg fan DVDs but there's plenty of finger pointing and rules bendings to go around.
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No. The free sites only deal with home videos - nothing commercial. There is no money being made, and no copyright infringement being committed. There is nothing to prevent people from recording shows/attractions, and you are free to do so as long as you do not use external lighting. My understanding of this is, as long as you don't make money from your recordings, you aren't infringing on a copyright. What you are saying is that it's not ok to watch your own home movies from your vacation, since you are enjoying a Disney attraction without paying for it. Most of the ride videos I have are of things I've ridden or seen numerous times. Or, that it's not ok to show friends/relatives your home movies, since they would be enjoying a Disney property without paying for it.
Bravesfn1
New Member
Texzilla said:
Everything Texzilla has said is accurate about this set. I bought mine directly from Shop the Parks back in January when they had a special going on for $49.95 for the set. Mine also came with 18 DVDs so, I am thinking that is how many are in the set. I have also experienced some of the problems Texzilla has with playing it on certain DVD players. Luckily, I did find that one of my DVD players has been able to play it without interruption. Overall, I have enjoyed the set. I really like some of the shows that are on the DVD like the American Adventure and Voyage of the Little Mermaid. I thought those came out great. Obviously some of the dark ride videos are poor given the nature of the rides themselves. On Snow White you can really only see the very beginning and end of the ride.
Yea, sure, that's what I'm saying. When you watch a video you took by your self or with a circle of friends that EXCATLY the same as putting it out on the internet for hundreds of thousands to watch. Cut right through my logic, didn't ya? If we followed the 'logic' you're crediting me with, then even a child drawing a picture of Mickey for the 'fridge would be breaking the law. There are differences between personal use and copyright infringments. Is the line crossed only when money comes into play? Don't know myself. Guessing Disney's lawyers do though. And I'm, guessing they know about all the web sites we've been discussing. And I'm also guessing that if they wanted to the could shut down both sites that have videos for free as well as sites that sell fan videos with the sweep of one hand and still make their lunch reservations. Till they do, you enjoy yours, I'll enjoy mine. It might be a small world but there room for both.
kathyjacks
New Member
try www.youtube.com . they have some video of lots of the rides.
Texzilla said:
This very site offers ride videos. :wave: My position is that you cannot make money from your home movies taken of copyrighted works. You're free to share them with family, friends, etc., but IMO when you charge for them you have crossed the line.
BTW, I'd much rather be able to view the videos and judge for myself the quality before shelling out major $$$.
And, where's Martin when you need him??? :lol:
Good grief. Someone asked about these discs. Thought I could answer their questions. Now I'm trapped in an endless discussion on something I don't really care about and having smiley face cartoon thingies waving at me. A true baptism into the world of the WDWmagic message boards. One of us, one of us, gooble gobble, one of us.
HauntedPirate said:
He`s here!
Interesting discussion. Personally, I won`t charge for my vids. One, there is the issue of copyright & Disney Legal, but mainly because I started off to preserve lost attractions for those who missed them, and those who do miss them. It kind of grew from there - including those not lost (yet)
It kind of unites a lot of my passions - the parks, attractions and shows with their music, the emotion of it all, editing and computing, and I also like to give a little back to the community on the web; I`ve got so much video and audio I would never have otherwise - for example I feel I know DLC pretty well and I`ve never been to California!
I`d never try to match a retail video (WDW 2006 for example) - thats not my thing. More (like I said) showing where a certain Attraction originated from, how it was built and could have looked like, and either let people at home get the next best thing (though by a long shot) to being on that once in a lifetime holiday again, or letting them see what all the fuss was about with that ride Mission:Space / SGE etc replaced...
If someone wnats to sell their vids, fine. It`s their call. Disney Legal arn`t exactly slow off the mark if they want to be. If someone wants to buy them, again, it`s their call. I just try to let people know there is a free (and without sounding too big headed, from what I`ve seen of the videos for sale, a better) central alternative. IMHO.
At the end of the day, the more the merrier, but with vids on the web you certainly get something for (next to) nothing - and I for one try to make the download worth it
Sorry for the drift.
nelsonj3
Well-Known Member
I had to take a few classes and lessons on copyright laws when I was in college. From what I understand, there isn't anything wrong with a fan (like Martin) making a video from homemade film and putting it together and sharing it with others for no charge. It really is like free advertising for Disney. If someone sees the videos and has never been on a particular ride in the video, they may be tempted to plan a trip to the park and ride that ride. However, if someone is charging for their home videos, then they are making profit from filming something that they didn't create, and that is an infringement.
The issue here is the money made, not the videos themselves.
Also, my question is... WHY would you want to pay so much for these DVD's when you can have a collection just as large and probably of higher quality for free? WHY?
The issue here is the money made, not the videos themselves.
Also, my question is... WHY would you want to pay so much for these DVD's when you can have a collection just as large and probably of higher quality for free? WHY?
SirLamer
New Member
Some people just really really like to have the videos on the television, but lack the expertise (or the hardware) to rip downloaded DivX videos to DVD format.
The situation with this guy selling DVDs is pretty much the same as the situation on my website - if Disney wants either of us to stop, they will tell us.
By the way, someone posted a link to this thread on my website encouraging a debate of this issue, hence its occurance. I apologize if it distracted from the subject of the thread.
The situation with this guy selling DVDs is pretty much the same as the situation on my website - if Disney wants either of us to stop, they will tell us.
By the way, someone posted a link to this thread on my website encouraging a debate of this issue, hence its occurance. I apologize if it distracted from the subject of the thread.
Hi....first of all....thank you Texilla for giving me some of the good, and bad parts of this set.....I appreciate it, and notice that you haven't had to many posts, and already getting into a heated discussion and just wanted to tell you that I do appretiate your info. As for the copyrights.....I think you are possibly right about it being an issue...BUT there are a ton of things thats true of....for example several websites have pictures on them to get people to come to their sites....but at the same time are getting paid by advertisers to put ads on the pages.....Hom many websites have unauthorized pics of Cinderella Castle on them? I think Disney wouldn't encourage this, but quite probably doesn't care....I've seen tons of sites with pictures from One Man's Dream...when I know for a fact Disney had up signs saying no photography......yet nobody cared, similar to flash photography on a lot of rides often times.....But again, I am not saying I know, but even the website says that this is not to replace going to the parks, only remind you as a keepsake for those that aren't camera inclined. Lastly, Why would anyone want these when there are downloads on Disney Central etc? The biggest things that interest me are Animal Kingdom and Downtown Disney, as I've never seen all that much content on them, like the bird show at AK or Pocahontas. To some that might seem boring, but that's what interested me the most. Even though I'm not sure about the copyrights, I think it is important to remember Texilla was just trying to be nice and answer my question...which I appreciate, and since he's fairly new here....it might be nice if we can at least welcome him and thank him for what he has done
Thanks and I hope you are enjoying the site Texilla :wave:
PS...I also found another review of the discs on DisneyWorldTrivia.com by the author of the disney triva book
Thanks and I hope you are enjoying the site Texilla :wave:
PS...I also found another review of the discs on DisneyWorldTrivia.com by the author of the disney triva book
dixiegirl
Well-Known Member
hardcard said:
Your thinking of a totally different set..The one that is for sale at downtown and various other stores in Walt Disney world is made and produced by Disney ...The one that is being talked about inthis thread is by an idividual who made this dvd set himself( who is not offiliated with disney) >Just thought I'd give my 2 Cents..
I was simply trying to point out that there are other ways to get the videos that are being sold, and those other ways are free. Plus, you can view the videos to see what kind of quality you are getting, rather than being surprised or disappointed after paying your hard-earned cash for a potentially inferior product.
I step out of this thread now.
I step out of this thread now.
I understand your point, and didn't mean to be questioning you as in a lot of things I agree with you. I juust wanted to make sure Texilla felt welcome to the boards as well as thank him for his information....just like also I wanted to thank you for yours. Ultimately the reason I was interested init was for the things I couldn't download or find anywhere else. I do agree though that Disney Central as well as several other places are GREAT places to start. Thank you for your help as well Haunted Pirate:wave:
thecompman
Member
I ordered mine from Relivethemagic.com. I had some of the playback issues that some people mentioned. I traced the problem back to the fact that they came in paper sleeves in the middle of winter in a very tight sjipping envelope. The paper sleeves stuck to the discs and a residue rubbed off on part of the disc causing the jerky playback and freezes. I tried cleaning a disc and after an hour of scrubbing and using some alchohol got it to play decently.
I emailed relivethemagic.com and told them how upset I was and what the problem was. They immediately sent out a replacement set in jewel cases which play perfectly. So I can attest to the fact that for me relivethemagic.com truly lived up to their company's name.
PS The set is so awesome, just like being back at the parks.
I emailed relivethemagic.com and told them how upset I was and what the problem was. They immediately sent out a replacement set in jewel cases which play perfectly. So I can attest to the fact that for me relivethemagic.com truly lived up to their company's name.
PS The set is so awesome, just like being back at the parks.