Seven Dwarfs Mine Coaster Opening 2014??

jcldtrek

Active Member
Original Poster
So their saying 2014 for the completion of seven dwarfs coaster and fantasyland expansion. Is it just me or does 2014 seem kinda long for this to open. that's another year and a half possible 2 years since they don't specifically say exactly when in 2014 it will open. its not that big of a coaster ala Everest or Thunder Mountain, just cant believe the long timeframe on it. Didnt Everest open faster? I know they started this last out of the rest of the additions , just seems awkward in my opinion on how long its gonna take. Why did they even close snow white down , if its gonna take seven dwarfs so long. so almost two years with no snow white , seven dwarfs themed attraction, interesting. What do you think about this? I really thought everything would be done by end of this year or mid 2013.
 

Tim Lohr

Well-Known Member
I think 2014 is the "worst case scenario" number, like if everything goes wrong and it rains for two years, they can get it done by 2014, but if opens earlier than that no one will get upset.

And I don't know if they will recycle the AA's from SWSA but I think they possibly closed SWSA to get the new Fairytale Hall open with everything else in New Fantasyland
 

Lee

Adventurer
2014 has been the target date for 7DMR from the beginning.
I really don't see it moving up, other than maybe some softs in (very) late 2013.
 

Rob562

Well-Known Member
You also have to remember that once the other parts of the Expansion open up at the end of this year, it'll be a veritable island in the middle of the park, surrounded by Guest areas on all sides, in close proximity to Guest walkways in some places. That will definitely slow down the speed of construction considerably.

With Everest, they were in an empty plot of land with plenty of backstage access, and far away from all Guest areas.

-Rob
 

Kobe!!

Well-Known Member
I think 2014 is the "worst case scenario" number, like if everything goes wrong and it rains for two years, they can get it done by 2014, but if opens earlier than that no one will get upset.

And I don't know if they will recycle the AA's from SWSA but I think they possibly closed SWSA to get the new Fairytale Hall open with everything else in New Fantasyland


Couldn't have said it better.
 

I_heart_Tigger

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I honestly wonder if they stagger the openings for new things so there's more reason for people (like me) to want to visit each year. If Ariel, B&B and 7 Dwarfs all had attractions opening by say Dec 2012 then I could say - well I'll go in April 2013 and see everything but now I want to go every year.

I swear they do this to me on purpose :lookaroun
 

Captain Neo

Well-Known Member
IF they would have green lit the Seven Dwarfs coaster with the rest of Fantasyland LIKE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO until they decided to go cheap and cut it it would be opening this fall with the rest of the land :(. Thanks Rasolu
 

docnabox

Active Member
Sometimes I honestly wonder if they stagger the openings for new things so there's more reason for people (like me) to want to visit each year. If Ariel, B&B and 7 Dwarfs all had attractions opening by say Dec 2012 then I could say - well I'll go in April 2013 and see everything but now I want to go every year.

I swear they do this to me on purpose :lookaroun

Of course they do that. That has been their modus operandi for a long, long time and for the exact reasons you said. We all hear of and see new things and want to do them so they spread it out, knowing you will be back.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
In reading Walt and the Promise of Progress City, one fact sprung to mind with today's protracted schedules.

Disneylands original monorail system (including cars) was designed, constructed, installed, tested and opened in less than a year.

Food for thought.
 

orky8

Well-Known Member
In reading Walt and the Promise of Progress City, one fact sprung to mind with today's protracted schedules.

Disneylands original monorail system (including cars) was designed, constructed, installed, tested and opened in less than a year.

Food for thought.

Heck, all of Disneyland was built in a year. But, we are a very different country than we were nearly sixty years ago.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
How often does Disney get something open early? How often is something opened on time but not entirely complete? How often are is something opened late? I think that answers the question of early openings.
 

bdearl41

Well-Known Member
One thing that has to be considered here is the vehicle cars for this ride. They are one of a kinda and have not been used anywhere before. I have a feeling even after everything is complete you will see extensive testing on this ride because of the rocking motion. They will be working with a great deal of lateral g's on this ride and have to get it perfected throught each of the turns.
 

Tom

Beta Return
I think 2014 is the "worst case scenario" number, like if everything goes wrong and it rains for two years, they can get it done by 2014, but if opens earlier than that no one will get upset.

Yup.

I honestly expect it open by Summer 2013. Fall 2013 the latest.

Summer...no way. Fall...possible soft opening, but very unlikely.

2014 has been the target date for 7DMR from the beginning.
I really don't see it moving up, other than maybe some softs in (very) late 2013.

Right.

You also have to remember that once the other parts of the Expansion open up at the end of this year, it'll be a veritable island in the middle of the park, surrounded by Guest areas on all sides, in close proximity to Guest walkways in some places. That will definitely slow down the speed of construction considerably.

With Everest, they were in an empty plot of land with plenty of backstage access, and far away from all Guest areas.

-Rob

Exactly. 100% of their material deliveries will have to take place at night, and workers will have to part somewhere and "commute" to the site - unless they leave a construction road to the site from between Mermaid/Circus Tents to the site, with construction walls up the entire time.

Sometimes I honestly wonder if they stagger the openings for new things so there's more reason for people (like me) to want to visit each year. If Ariel, B&B and 7 Dwarfs all had attractions opening by say Dec 2012 then I could say - well I'll go in April 2013 and see everything but now I want to go every year.

I swear they do this to me on purpose :lookaroun

Absolutely they do!

In reading Walt and the Promise of Progress City, one fact sprung to mind with today's protracted schedules.

Disneylands original monorail system (including cars) was designed, constructed, installed, tested and opened in less than a year.

Food for thought.

Construction projects went a lot faster back then. First, no OSHA getting in the way of productivity. Secondly, many things were designed on the fly and Disney's projects were often "fast tracked," meaning they'd get the site design done, and start on the site development while the architect worked on the building shell design. They'd put that out for bid and start getting the shell going while the Architect and Engineers would design the inside. Saves a ton of time vs waiting until 100% of the design is complete before starting any construction.

There also were fewer lawsuits, and the general public was made up of people who understood personal responsibility...meaning they could design and build things that weren't necessarily unsafe, but didn't require a 20x design safety factor or all the other CYA things that go into today's projects.

Lastly, people were honest. You could just tell the contractor to start after getting a price, and as things changed along the way, you'd just "work it out in the end." Today, if the Owner or Architect changes something, some work comes to a grinding halt while all the paperwork is sorted out. It's almost impossible to build anything on a schedule these days.

One thing that has to be considered here is the vehicle cars for this ride. They are one of a kinda and have not been used anywhere before. I have a feeling even after everything is complete you will see extensive testing on this ride because of the rocking motion. They will be working with a great deal of lateral g's on this ride and have to get it perfected throught each of the turns.

True, but I imagine they've built a few sections of track and are running test cars ragged at a WDI complex somewhere. One of my favorite books is "Roller Coasters, Flumes and Flying Saucers" which is written by the two guys who started Arrow Dynamics and helped Disney literally invent most ride systems we have today. There are several photos of them testing various Disney ride vehicles in parking lots and warehouses. I imagine they still do that today, even though the computers already tell them what will and will not work.
 

Skyway

Well-Known Member
I swear they do this to me on purpose :lookaroun

That's why they're called ATTRACTions. They attract people and they attract money.

Seeing as how MK has not truly needed a new attraction to attract new people in about 20 years, I'm surprised SDMT is only being held back until 2014.

And to be absolutely accurate, I don't think FLE is designed to "attract". Instead it's being built to provide more capacity for the crowds that keep coming anyway even without anything new to attract them. For example, Restaurant A may need to introduce some new, additional menu items to hopefully attract more people and fill empty tables. But MK is more like Restaurant B that not changed its menu in 20 years (except for maybe removing or swapping a few menu items) but still has packed tables and a line out the door almost every day. FLE is the same as that restaurant adding a back room addition. But instead of adding lots more tables in that new room, they're only adding a few new tables and moving in a few old one from the main dining room so hopefully customers won't be squeezed in quite so close to fellow diners as they have been.
 

Annielkd

Member
I swear they do this to me on purpose :lookaroun

That's why they're called ATTRACTions. They attract people and they attract money.

Seeing as how MK has not truly needed a new attraction to attract new people in about 20 years, I'm surprised SDMT is only being held back until 2014.

And to be absolutely accurate, I don't think FLE is designed to "attract". Instead it's being built to provide more capacity for the crowds that keep coming anyway even without anything new to attract them. For example, Restaurant A may need to introduce some new, additional menu items to hopefully attract more people and fill empty tables. But MK is more like Restaurant B that not changed its menu in 20 years (except for maybe removing or swapping a few menu items) but still has packed tables and a line out the door almost every day. FLE is the same as that restaurant adding a back room addition. But instead of adding lots more tables in that new room, they're only adding a few new tables and moving in a few old one from the main dining room so hopefully customers won't be squeezed in quite so close to fellow diners as they have been.

Please do not jump down my throat if I'm wrong... but, hasn't Disney been loosing business in the last few years? (I thought I read that their capacity was much lower at the parks and the resort hotels) I know this might be attributed to the financial hard times. Maybe Disney does feel the need to continue to attract crowds. Other places like Sea World and Universal continue to add to their parks (I'm not comparing) I'm just thinking that Disney wants to continue to be on the cutting edge.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Dwarf Coaster came into development relatively late in the game. It replaced the Snow White and Sleeping Beauty meet and greet areas. I thought after the "failure" of The Princess and the Frog, they wanted to tone back on the princess part, and shifted from meet-n-greets to the dwarf coaster idea. Since it was developed after the Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, and Circus areas, it is natural for it to be finished later. Now, two years later is a bit extreme, but I'd rather they get things right on a great ride then rush through a mediocre one.

Then again, it's been nine years since was last at "The World" and I have not personally seen the drop in quality that so many here have noticed.
 

Tom

Beta Return
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Dwarf Coaster came into development relatively late in the game. It replaced the Snow White and Sleeping Beauty meet and greet areas. I thought after the "failure" of The Princess and the Frog, they wanted to tone back on the princess part, and shifted from meet-n-greets to the dwarf coaster idea. Since it was developed after the Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, and Circus areas, it is natural for it to be finished later. Now, two years later is a bit extreme, but I'd rather they get things right on a great ride then rush through a mediocre one.

Then again, it's been nine years since was last at "The World" and I have not personally seen the drop in quality that so many here have noticed.

I'm pretty sure you're right. I mean, this coaster has probably seen its day in Blue Sky for a while, but what we officially know is that its current location was going to be a bunch of princess stuff, until the feedback said, "NO! We're full up on princesses!"

So they scrapped the village and put in a coaster. And yes, it's well behind the 8 ball. I too agree that 2014 seems a bit excessive, but there are a lot of obstacles and nuances about the construction of this ride that others don't - as discussed previously.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I honestly wonder if they stagger the openings for new things so there's more reason for people (like me) to want to visit each year. If Ariel, B&B and 7 Dwarfs all had attractions opening by say Dec 2012 then I could say - well I'll go in April 2013 and see everything but now I want to go every year.

I swear they do this to me on purpose :lookaroun

The funny part of the staggered opening in this case, is that Id say more people might stay away to see a complete product. If I could only go once in the next few years, I would wait till its done 100%. Of course I dont think that anyone is really planning a trip around Fantasyland anyway so I guess it doesnt matter. :lol: I still think the project would have been much more impact-full if it opened all at once. The theming is going to be awesome, I just wish I could have seen it all at once for the first time. I would have gladly waited.
 

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