Second Phase of Pop Century?

[DisneyRunner]

Would you stay at Pop Century Legendary Years?

If that side of the resort was finished would you stay there? Also, which section would you pick? We would stay there and choose 00, 20 or 40. I have seen layouts that included a coke bottle shaped pool. I can't seem to find those online at this time.

 

[jmuboy]

In my opinion....when/if the 2nd side of POP is completed it should be completed as a new resort with a new theme. Change the name of the current Pop Century to "Pop Culture" or something along those lines.

 

[jt04]

In my opinion....when/if the 2nd side of POP is completed it should be completed as a new resort with a new theme. Change the name of the current Pop Century to "Pop Culture" or something along those lines.

http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_h...ded-as-disney-s-animation-inn-and-suites.aspx

 

[Goofnut1980]

and to think... They could have spent just a small percentage to finish them from what they spent on the Contemporary DVC...

 

[DisneyChik17]

and to think... They could have spent just a small percentage to finish them from what they spent on the Contemporary DVC...

It's all about demand though...

DVC is selling well, and people want to buy into a new place. Also, many DVC members want to stay at the CR. If it is demanded, they will build it. I think that while many are sick of DVC being EVERYWHERE, that it is a great program. It insures that guests will return many times and spend more money. I don't think that the other phase at the POP is as useful, though, they did start it and should finish it. It's bad show. But, honestly, I can see the "reasoning" they used, even if it is faulty.

 

[RiversideBunny]

Profits.
The Return on Investment for money put into a Value resort is much lower than that spent on DVC/Deluxe level accomodations.

I can see WDW's point in not completing the other half of Pop Century if they feel that they have invested in enough Value resort rooms already.

What I cannot understand, and cannot even remotely figure how it fits into Disney's image and the vision that W. E. Disney had for his parks, is how they can allow those unsightly, deteriorating unfinished rooms to just sit there year after year.

 

[WishIwasThere]

Profits.
The Return on Investment for money put into a Value resort is much lower than that spent on DVC/Deluxe level accomodations.

I can see WDW's point in not completing the other half of Pop Century if they feel that they have invested in enough Value resort rooms already.

What I cannot understand, and cannot even remotely figure how it fits into Disney's image and the vision that W. E. Disney had for his parks, is how they can allow those unsightly, deteriorating unfinished rooms to just sit there year after year.

Well, no one in the really upper management would be staying at a value resort. They have their rooms over at the GF. So they would never see these uncompleted buildings, so out of sight, out of mind.

 

[gustaftp]

It's all about demand though...

DVC is selling well, and people want to buy into a new place. Also, many DVC members want to stay at the CR. If it is demanded, they will build it. I think that while many are sick of DVC being EVERYWHERE, that it is a great program. It insures that guests will return many times and spend more money. I don't think that the other phase at the POP is as useful, though, they did start it and should finish it. It's bad show. But, honestly, I can see the "reasoning" they used, even if it is faulty.

I don't think that's quite correct, though. Pop Century and All Stars seem to be constantly fully or near-fully booked. It's almost rather difficult to get a room at those two. Given the demand, Disney should finish what they started. Too bad they don't seem interested in it. Ah well, it was under a different CEO, different resort management, etc.

 

[RiversideBunny]

Yeah, we tend to look at it from a guest's standpoint.

In business, though, demand is not always a good factor for deciding to do something or not.

As an extreme example, there would always be a demand for $10/night rooms. WDW isn't about to invest money into such an item, however.

They look at it like:
If we spend so much money constructing something then how much profit will that something bring in.
The DVC and Deluxe approach returns them much more in profits, per dollar spent, considering fixed operating costs also, than would building more Value level rooms.

Their business analysis probably shows that they really don't want more Value guests. They would never say it just that way but the business economics cause the projects to go as such.

IMHO
:king:

 

[Vernonpush]

I don't think that's quite correct, though. Pop Century and All Stars seem to be constantly fully or near-fully booked. It's almost rather difficult to get a room at those two. Given the demand, Disney should finish what they started. Too bad they don't seem interested in it. Ah well, it was under a different CEO, different resort management, etc.

But there's always, "you can't get a room at the Value Resort? Try a Moderate Resort! ... You can't get a room at a Moderate Resort ( since the people trying to stay at a "value" have "upgraded" to Mods.)? Then, try a "Deluxe Standard". No luck? Then "upgrade" to " Deluxe Concierge"....

I wonder if they keep track of the number of people who decide to stay "off site" rather than "upgrade"?

 

[Vernonpush]

Yeah, we tend to look at it from a guest's standpoint.

In business, though, demand is not always a good factor for deciding to do something or not.

As an extreme example, there would always be a demand for $10/night rooms. WDW isn't about to invest money into such an item, however.

They look at it like:
If we spend so much money constructing something then how much profit will that something bring in.
The DVC and Deluxe approach returns them much more in profits, per dollar spent, considering fixed operating costs also, than would building more Value level rooms.

Their business analysis probably shows that they really don't want more Value guests. They would never say it just that way but the business economics cause the projects to go as such.

IMHO
:king:

Thus their interest in a "value" "resort" ( paid by others) at Flamingo Crossings.

 

[slappy magoo]

Well, actually yes. River Country and Discovery Island set the precedent. And how long did the wave generator sit rusting in Seven Seas Lagoon? Then there's the infrastructure right in the middle of the theme parks; not deteriorating as such, but still abandonded in place. Skyway stations, Wonders of Life, Journey to Imagination second floor, any number of restaurants with facades covering the counters, lots of Communicore East/West areas, empty soundstages, and the exhibit formerly known as 'The Walt Disney Story' in the MK Expo Hall. Don't forget the skill in turning 20,000 Leagues into a grassy knoll, and Galaxy Theater into a parking lot.

You forgot the original Treehouse Villas :lookaroun

They're going to have to raze the existing structure. Too much has been exposed t the elements that's not meant to be exposed. It'll be cheaper to start from scratch than try to restore what's there. Same thing happened with unfinished construction locally to me in Asbury Park, NJ. The project lay dormant for years and was recently imploded.

As for what should go there, I think a time is coming soon for a budget version of DVC. Something that requires less points than even a studio at OKW, but the rooms are only as elaborate as the All-Star Suites. Make it so there's only a 80-100 point minimum buy-in as opposed to the 160 (or is it more now) it takes to buy into the most deluxe DVC resorts. Even current members who love their home resorts probably wouldn't mind stretching their remaining points for the use year with a few nights' stay at a value DVC resort. Keep landscaping and amenities low to maintenance fees remain low, I've no doubt that will open up DVC to a whole new audience - people who see their resort as a place to shower sleep and shhhhhower some more :lookaroun but who see the amount of serious coin they drop going to WDW every year or two or three and would like there to be a less-expensive option.

If not that, then more Value suites.

 

[Master Yoda]

You forgot the original Treehouse Villas :lookaroun

They're going to have to raze the existing structure. Too much has been exposed t the elements that's not meant to be exposed. It'll be cheaper to start from scratch than try to restore what's there. Same thing happened with unfinished construction locally to me in Asbury Park, NJ. The project lay dormant for years and was recently imploded.

As for what should go there, I think a time is coming soon for a budget version of DVC. Something that requires less points than even a studio at OKW, but the rooms are only as elaborate as the All-Star Suites. Make it so there's only a 80-100 point minimum buy-in as opposed to the 160 (or is it more now) it takes to buy into the most deluxe DVC resorts. Even current members who love their home resorts probably wouldn't mind stretching their remaining points for the use year with a few nights' stay at a value DVC resort. Keep landscaping and amenities low to maintenance fees remain low, I've no doubt that will open up DVC to a whole new audience - people who see their resort as a place to shower sleep and shhhhhower some more :lookaroun but who see the amount of serious coin they drop going to WDW every year or two or three and would like there to be a less-expensive option.

If not that, then more Value suites.

I for one would love to see something like this. We typically stay in the values or moderates, travel on the weekends, yadda, yadda, yadda so DVC in its current form is not really a value to us. But if something like you suggested was to come into the mix it would be worth running the numbers again.

 

[RiversideBunny]

WDW is trying to move more upscale in its overall product mix of on-property resort rooms.

 

[jt04]

WDW is trying to move more upscale in its overall product mix of on-property resort rooms.

Sounds like they might be trying to offer a non-DVC family suites option to the mix. I'm sure there is a demand from larger familes or for groups of relatives traveling together to better share expenses.

 

[wickedfan07]

I would really like to see the other half of Pop Century finishd with Family Suites. It doesn't necessarily need to be a mirror image of the existing resort. The buildings could be smaller or layed out differently and the spaces between buildings could be a littler different than the usual value design. I could see new Value Sites/Family Suites being attractive not only for larger families but also for those big Grand Gathering grouns (is that what they are called?) or even school groups looking to avoid the hassles of having so many rooms of students to keep track of. I liked the Animation Inn and Suites idea; hopefully it will come to realit one day.