Rob562
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The 1900/1910 pool was to be in the shape of a sort of "Buck Rogers" early spaceship. It may be some sort of oversized wind-up tin toy (hence the large "hex-key" looking piece on the ground next to it).
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Second Phase of Pop Century?
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The 1900/1910 pool was to be in the shape of a sort of "Buck Rogers" early spaceship. It may be some sort of oversized wind-up tin toy (hence the large "hex-key" looking piece on the ground next to it).
-Rob
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
Now that makes sense. I didnt even take notice. That would explain the "flaps" that look like they are hinged.
Thanks
Mr Wizard
Active Member
Come on, are you kidding me? Do you really think that Disney, or any other company for that matter, would let an investment of that size and scale sit and deteriorate to the point that it would have to be torn down and rebuilt? To demo those buildings would be an enormous cost. In todays eco-friendly, tree hugging world one of the hardest and most expensive things to dispose of is "used" concrete. And as far as code changes go I really doubt that there are changes to basic foundations and such. When you are working with an empty shell it's pretty easy to change course for what ever the new codes may require. If they were 75% finished then it might be a different story. You can be sure that they will be finished someday.
Vernonpush
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joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
Obviously they are. These have been sitting dormant for almost a decade.
Look, there are people involved in this thread that are Engineers. I know them personally. I would take their word for it if they say they wont be able to be used again and they would have to be demo'd. They can correct me if im wrong.
It might be cheaper to rebuild then to try and update. That is the concesus these days with a lot of fields
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
You're awesome Vernon. Nice job. :wave:Buck Roger's space ship toy (from the serial - 40's or 50's):
Vernonpush
Well-Known Member
As soon as I saw the pic from POP, I knew what it was.
I hope I'm not dating myself.:lookaroun I saw those movies on TV in the 60's:lol:.
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
Vernonpush
Well-Known Member
you bet me to that punchline. lol
you are dating yourselfbut we still love you
I am now vintage! Costs extra:lol:.
jhastings74
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gbruenin
Active Member
Well, actually yes. River Country and Discovery Island set the precedent. And how long did the wave generator sit rusting in Seven Seas Lagoon? Then there's the infrastructure right in the middle of the theme parks; not deteriorating as such, but still abandonded in place. Skyway stations, Wonders of Life, Journey to Imagination second floor, any number of restaurants with facades covering the counters, lots of Communicore East/West areas, empty soundstages, and the exhibit formerly known as 'The Walt Disney Story' in the MK Expo Hall. Don't forget the skill in turning 20,000 Leagues into a grassy knoll, and Galaxy Theater into a parking lot.
The shame is that we 'guests' paid for all that in admission costs. I wish they would imagineer the infrastructure back into the guest experience rather than squander it.
Gary
Zummi Gummi
Pioneering the Universe Within!
Great post! :sohappy:
Hummer1676
New Member
Very good point! Its not like disneyland where space is at a premium. WDW will let things "decline by degrees" as kevin yee would say.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
I've been writing/saying this for years now. There are so many dead zones at WDW that it really is amazing ... almost all right out in plain sight for anyone to see.
Goes against everything Disney was about ... but not anymore.
Oh ... and those buildings (except for the check in area/food court, which I have been told is being kept up to whatever degree is needed for future use) are history. They will be bulldozed and redeveloped at some point in the future.
~I See Dead Parks~
jmvd20
Well-Known Member
I didn't realize you were referring to the slabs/footers that they started for the other buildings - to me it appears that those would be best to just replace. I was only referring to the actual buildings being salvageable. Of course more details would be needed to say for sure but it is fun to discuss it anyway, at least to me...
Edit:
One thing I just realized is that this isn't just the 2008 code revision like I was thinking, these buildings were actually abandoned in 2001 meaning they have had at leats 3 cycles if Florida is like here. We had revisions in 2002, 2005, and 2008 - the changes from 2005 to 2008 weren't major but from the 1999 code to todays would be huge around here as well!
TigerBravo1977
New Member
I have a bachelor's degree in Building Construction and I am a commercial general contractor (ie: commercial buildings.) My opinion is that the existing buildings are fine. They can certainly be used with few issues. There aren't many code issues that would interfere with this unless there was a siginificant change in hurricane resistance or other structural issues.
Somebody mentioned fire extinguisher cabinets at the buildings. Those aren't FE cabinets. They are standpipes/fire dept. connections. Somebody also mentioned caulking guns. I am guessing that poster was seeing the door closers that were piled up in a box.
The slabs that were not built on are questionable, but becuase there were plumbing and electrical rough-ins in those slabs, they would be more likely to salvage them.
Somebody mentioned fire extinguisher cabinets at the buildings. Those aren't FE cabinets. They are standpipes/fire dept. connections. Somebody also mentioned caulking guns. I am guessing that poster was seeing the door closers that were piled up in a box.
The slabs that were not built on are questionable, but becuase there were plumbing and electrical rough-ins in those slabs, they would be more likely to salvage them.
RiversideBunny
New Member
I think the demolition of the old Phase 2 Pop Century buildings will be a part of whatever new construction is finally agreed upon for that area.
They will just build it into the project steps and the cost, like area preparation.
The reason those unfinished buildings have stood for so long now is that WDW management has yet to decide what to do with that space. Once a decision is made then the clearing out of the old stuff will be just a quick step in the overall project.
Whatever new design is put into the area will need a clean slate to start with and the designers will not want to be hampered by trying to use the muddy footprints of a previous project that was never completed.
IMHO.
They will just build it into the project steps and the cost, like area preparation.
The reason those unfinished buildings have stood for so long now is that WDW management has yet to decide what to do with that space. Once a decision is made then the clearing out of the old stuff will be just a quick step in the overall project.
Whatever new design is put into the area will need a clean slate to start with and the designers will not want to be hampered by trying to use the muddy footprints of a previous project that was never completed.
IMHO.
That is why I bring up the code change. I am a wood truss engineer in the state of Florida and there were significant changes in wind codes with the Florida building code rewrite in 2000 and, if memory serves me correctly, there have been 4 additional wind code updates to the code after the code rewrite, one of which coming into effect just 2 weeks ago. Every time we have a code change we have to rerun or master plans used for tract housing accounts and even on those small houses there are typically significant changes that have to be made. I can not imagine the amount of change that would occur on a job that was engineered more than 10 years ago under a code that is not even is existence anymore.
Knowing Disney's reputation for building way past code the buildings very well might be fine. The trick is they will have to get a PE to sign off on it and as you know they aren't all the willing to just put their seal on just anything.
That is always the ideal way to do things but rest assured if Disney can legally use those existing buildings and save some coin by doing so they will. They simply are not going to spend the money to demolish more than a million dollars of existing buildings unless they have no choice.I think the demolition of the old Phase 2 Pop Century buildings will be a part of whatever new construction is finally agreed upon for that area.
They will just build it into the project steps and the cost, like area preparation.
The reason those unfinished buildings have stood for so long now is that WDW management has yet to decide what to do with that space. Once a decision is made then the clearing out of the old stuff will be just a quick step in the overall project.
Whatever new design is put into the area will need a clean slate to start with and the designers will not want to be hampered by trying to use the muddy footprints of a previous project that was never completed.
IMHO.
I personally would like to see both phases of POP rethemed as either of these two chocies.
1. A Future World theme where each scetion is themed after a section of FW. Imagination, Motion, Energy, The Land, The Seas, and since it will never happen and its my idea and I hate Mission Space a section themed after Horizons.
2. A Tommorow land theme, the hotel of the future complete with its own TTA style system to bring you to your room pool or busses!
1. A Future World theme where each scetion is themed after a section of FW. Imagination, Motion, Energy, The Land, The Seas, and since it will never happen and its my idea and I hate Mission Space a section themed after Horizons.
2. A Tommorow land theme, the hotel of the future complete with its own TTA style system to bring you to your room pool or busses!