Screamscape - New Disney Resort??

[s8film40]

Off the top of my head there are around 22,000 rooms on property which should put guest capacity around the 90,000 range.

It's not about matching room capacity to park capacity, there are always going to be people staying off property, locals, etc. Right now they can't fill the rooms they have. I think they have realized this and are focusing on maximizing the segments with greater demand, this primarily being the Value range. Based on this if there is any truth to this rumor my guess would be that these will be value rooms added to Fort Wilderness. As of right now there are no Value resorts in MK area so this would be a big seller and costs would be minimized since they could use the existing infrastructure of Fort Wilderness. Could be like a mini motel style Wilderness lodge in the River Country area.

I kind of wonder though if they might reach a point were they end up destroying any benefit to staying on Disney property. With the existing Value resorts the addition of the Animation resort and possibly others. As it is right now the transportation system is strained to keep up with demand, ask anyone staying at a value resort and they will tell you the transportation system is not a benefit. They use extra magic hours to help sell the hotels but what's so special about being part of an exclusive group of 100,000 that get early or late access, in fact I've noticed some parks being more crowded for EMH than normal hours. I could see a point where the whole thing collapses, like the saying the bigger they are the harder they fall. If they keep building rooms it's going to eventually end up bad.

 

[jt04]

It's not about matching room capacity to park capacity, there are always going to be people staying off property, locals, etc. Right now they can't fill the rooms they have. I think they have realized this and are focusing on maximizing the segments with greater demand, this primarily being the Value range. Based on this if there is any truth to this rumor my guess would be that these will be value rooms added to Fort Wilderness. As of right now there are no Value resorts in MK area so this would be a big seller and costs would be minimized since they could use the existing infrastructure of Fort Wilderness. Could be like a mini motel style Wilderness lodge in the River Country area.

I kind of wonder though if they might reach a point were they end up destroying any benefit to staying on Disney property. With the existing Value resorts the addition of the Animation resort and possibly others. As it is right now the transportation system is strained to keep up with demand, ask anyone staying at a value resort and they will tell you the transportation system is not a benefit. They use extra magic hours to help sell the hotels but what's so special about being part of an exclusive group of 100,000 that get early or late access, in fact I've noticed some parks being more crowded for EMH than normal hours. I could see a point where the whole thing collapses, like the saying the bigger they are the harder they fall. If they keep building rooms it's going to eventually end up bad.

You mean like Jim and Tammy Faye? :lookaroun



:lol:

 

[MichWolv]

ScreamScape.com - Screamscape has been sent an interesting rumor that claims Disney’s Tri Circle D Ranch area, the nearby beach area along the lake and the former River Country property may all be planned to be leveled sometime next summer, to clear the site to make way for a brand new mega Disney resort project. Anyone else know more about this?

I assume this would actually be the petting farm/pony ride ranch area, since the Tri Circle D horse stables are at the Outpost, and River Country is near the Settlement.

Seems possible. Raven has been telling us for some time that there are plans for the River Country area.

But access to that area would be pretty difficult, I think. They'd probably have to use the bus route between WL and FW as the access to a new resort in that spot, but that's a long and winding road.

 

[ChrisM]

Of what I have been hearing is that BLT will be sold out within 18 months.

Sounds like you're falling for the typical BS that spouts from DVC sales reps.

 

[CarlFredricksen]

It's not about matching room capacity to park capacity, there are always going to be people staying off property, locals, etc. Right now they can't fill the rooms they have. I think they have realized this and are focusing on maximizing the segments with greater demand, this primarily being the Value range. Based on this if there is any truth to this rumor my guess would be that these will be value rooms added to Fort Wilderness. As of right now there are no Value resorts in MK area so this would be a big seller and costs would be minimized since they could use the existing infrastructure of Fort Wilderness. Could be like a mini motel style Wilderness lodge in the River Country area.

I kind of wonder though if they might reach a point were they end up destroying any benefit to staying on Disney property. With the existing Value resorts the addition of the Animation resort and possibly others. As it is right now the transportation system is strained to keep up with demand, ask anyone staying at a value resort and they will tell you the transportation system is not a benefit. They use extra magic hours to help sell the hotels but what's so special about being part of an exclusive group of 100,000 that get early or late access, in fact I've noticed some parks being more crowded for EMH than normal hours. I could see a point where the whole thing collapses, like the saying the bigger they are the harder they fall. If they keep building rooms it's going to eventually end up bad.

For the most part EMH are good. Morning EMH at all parks always seem to be good, and evening EMH at MK after 11PM makes it a ghost park.

If all 22,000 rooms were booked at capacity, and every single person went to EMH, then I agree, 90,000 people at EMH wouldn't be a selling point. But the reality is, there's only a few times each year the park is sold out to capactiy, so for 350 days of the year it's a benefit. And even when the park is sold out EMH is a benefit, because the other way to look at it is, if you know it's a busy time and everyone is headed to a certain park one morning, maybe that'd be a great day to head to a different one.

At the end of the day, between EMH, park transportation and DME, most will stay at a WDW hotel over offsite.

 

[Master Yoda]

It's not about matching room capacity to park capacity, there are always going to be people staying off property, locals, etc. Right now they can't fill the rooms they have. I think they have realized this and are focusing on maximizing the segments with greater demand, this primarily being the Value range. Based on this if there is any truth to this rumor my guess would be that these will be value rooms added to Fort Wilderness. As of right now there are no Value resorts in MK area so this would be a big seller and costs would be minimized since they could use the existing infrastructure of Fort Wilderness. Could be like a mini motel style Wilderness lodge in the River Country area.

I kind of wonder though if they might reach a point were they end up destroying any benefit to staying on Disney property. With the existing Value resorts the addition of the Animation resort and possibly others. As it is right now the transportation system is strained to keep up with demand, ask anyone staying at a value resort and they will tell you the transportation system is not a benefit. They use extra magic hours to help sell the hotels but what's so special about being part of an exclusive group of 100,000 that get early or late access, in fact I've noticed some parks being more crowded for EMH than normal hours. I could see a point where the whole thing collapses, like the saying the bigger they are the harder they fall. If they keep building rooms it's going to eventually end up bad.

I know that they will never need to match room capacity to park capacity it was more to point out that there is still plenty of room to grow. There is no question that they will soon reach a saturation point. The worst part for Disney is that point will be a moving target as room demand is such a variable thing. Right now I think Disney would be wise to try and create somewhat niche resorts that are small and cater to a particular customer demographic. The Animation resort IMHO seems like the first step in this progress. Granted there in nothing small about the resort but there seems to be a number of guests that want affordable suite accommodations with multiple bathrooms and a mini kitchen. This option has never really existed in any quantity on property.

 

[WDWFigment]

Of what I have been hearing is that BLT will be sold out within 18 months.

As far as the new resort goes or rumors of one, i think adding to the Wilderness Lodge and making a small water park for DVC members only would be a huge selling point.

Sounds like you're falling for the typical BS that spouts from DVC sales reps.

The internal projections that I've read elsewhere indicate that Disney expects it to sell out in 5 months. Independent analysis through OC Comptroller numbers and declarations supports this, depending on how many additional units Disney declares. If Disney declares all but 2% of the units, based on current sales trends, the sell-out point should be around 13 months from now. My bet is that sales will (continue to) slow down, making the 18 month mark more realistic.

In any case, BLT is not sold out, nor are any of the properties selling well right now. The non-use of ROFR is especially surprising, and to me, supportive of the argument that Disney won't begin building more DVC until there's an economic recovery.

 

[Fizbain32]

I had posted this rumor right after we had returned from our trip in July. But after reading other posts, I had decided that the Cast Member (Bus Driver) that had shared the rumor was mistaking it for the Golden Oaks as that news was circulating very heavy at the time.

So story goes, We picked up bus from the back of Ft Wilderness to go to Wilderness Lodge. While talking with bus driver, she indicated that they had just been told that the Tri-Cicle-D ranch (Petting zoo and horses at back of resort near pioneer hall) would all be moved to the front of the resort with the rest of the horses that are used for trail rides etc.

Once all the stock is moved, the are would be leveled and condos would be built. The condos was the part that REALLY made me think this was a bit wild. We had this conversation the and of July 4th week.

Since we tend to take bus drivers statements with quite a few grans of salt.

 

[fosse76]

Different budgets. One does not directly effect the other.

That's technically not true. All that money comes from the parent corporation. Money they allocate to the resorts can easily be allocated to the parks instead.

 

[Mr. Spock]

BVT? I assume you mean BLT? As of early July (the last reliable numbers I saw), BLT was just over 60% sold out of its declared inventory (86.67% declared), which means 26.67% of the declared units are still available.

I just bought a DVC and we were told that BLT is 90% sold, but who knows if it is true.

 

[WDWFigment]

I just bought a DVC and we were told that BLT is 90% sold, but who knows if it is true.

The numbers I'm using are actual sales from the OC Comptroller. I'd assume DVC 'fudges' the numbers to customers to make the sales pitch more compelling.

On a tour we went on, we were told that they expected AK to sell out in 6 months. Here it is over two years later...

 

[s8film40]

For the most part EMH are good. Morning EMH at all parks always seem to be good, and evening EMH at MK after 11PM makes it a ghost park.

If all 22,000 rooms were booked at capacity, and every single person went to EMH, then I agree, 90,000 people at EMH wouldn't be a selling point. But the reality is, there's only a few times each year the park is sold out to capactiy, so for 350 days of the year it's a benefit. And even when the park is sold out EMH is a benefit, because the other way to look at it is, if you know it's a busy time and everyone is headed to a certain park one morning, maybe that'd be a great day to head to a different one.

At the end of the day, between EMH, park transportation and DME, most will stay at a WDW hotel over offsite.

I think the reality is that it just encourages guests to go to the parks really early and really late when it would naturally be slower anyways.

I remember when it was something special to stay on WDW property, now it's just convenient or cheaper. I think Eisner's Disney decade of hotel building was a smart business move but I think they really are getting into some risky territory now of devaluing the experience.

 

[s8film40]

The numbers I'm using are actual sales from the OC Comptroller. I'd assume DVC 'fudges' the numbers to customers to make the sales pitch more compelling.

On a tour we went on, we were told that they expected AK to sell out in 6 months. Here it is over two years later...

Sounds like the "well don't think on it too long or it may be gone pressure tactic". Thats always worked the opposite for me, usually when something is selling out fast they don't have to tell you. When I hear a salesperson say something like that I start to wonder why there so desperate.

 

[SeaBase86]

No more resorts. Can we please get more attractions and theme parks. I own DVC and all for another resort and all but can we get some more attractions please?:wave:

Oh for anyone who said they are slowing down DVC development, they're building a new resort in Hawaii. Just saying:wave:.

 

[s8film40]

No more resorts. Can we please get more attractions and theme parks. I own DVC and all for another resort and all but can we get some more attractions please?:wave:

Oh for anyone who said they are slowing down DVC development, they're building a new resort in Hawaii. Just saying:wave:.

Yeah they're building resorts in other areas so they don't have to build more attractions and still keep they're vacation club business going.

 

[Vernonpush]

I kind of hope not. I love Ft. Wilderness and that area, and think it would affect that resort if they took over a portion of it to build a new resort.

I also think it would intrude on the "Wilderness" part of the Wilderness Lodge. They could do something with that area I'm sure, but I can't see them putting a resort there without ruining their 2 "wilderness" resorts.

I was thinking the same thing. The areas mentioned are quite seperated.

I could see them expanding the the WL towards the RC area. That makes more sense to me.

I would agree. I could see an expansion to Ft Wilderness but not an entirely new resort. At most I could see an expansion that would mimic the situation at PORS and POFQ.

 

[Mr. Spock]

The numbers I'm using are actual sales from the OC Comptroller. I'd assume DVC 'fudges' the numbers to customers to make the sales pitch more compelling.

On a tour we went on, we were told that they expected AK to sell out in 6 months. Here it is over two years later...

Agreed. I am already not happy with the DVC we are trying to book a trip in December at BLT our home resort and it is full. There should be some rooms guarennteed to members :fork:

 

[SeaBase86]

Agreed. I am already not happy with the DVC we are trying to book a trip in December at BLT our home resort and it is full. There should be some rooms guarennteed to members :fork:

Agreed somewhat. I guess they want to make it fair for everyone :shrug:.

I stayed there in July. Thought it was ok. Not all that. Reminded me of New York apartment living. I loved the bridge though. It was a life saver. Just my opinion.

 

[Mr. Spock]

Agreed somewhat. I guess they want to make it fair for everyone :shrug:.

I stayed there in July. Thought it was ok. Not all that. Reminded me of New York apartment living. I loved the bridge though. It was a life saver. Just my opinion.

Yea I would have picked boardwalk but thet are sold out.

 

[SeaBase86]

Yea I would have picked boardwalk but thet are sold out.

Boardwalk is my home (along with Ak villas, and saratoga). I love it's central location. Boats run to Epcot and Hs and or take the monorail from Ec to Mk. It's great.