Save the Adventurers Club

[wm49rs]

People are bickering, on purpose, to get this thread closed methinks.

You mean by making comments to get people incited and become angry? Perish the thought.....

 

[Dubman]

A picture from the happier times at the club....

 

[mcjaco]

I suspect you are right about the return of the AC not being in the cards, but I respect Don Quixote if you know what I mean. As for the comparison with a Horizons return, I feel that isn't a fair comparison. The time and money required to re-boot the AC is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the investment that would be necessary to re-boot Horizons. Furthermore there is a direct revenue stream that would be generated by the AC while Horizons would have to be justified only by a measured increase in gate traffic.

And you're right. I'd like to see Kitchen Kabaret come back (or, Empress Lilly, or Sunrise Terrace, etc.). That'd probably be a better comparison (without the revenue stream issue) for size, etc.

I think the argument about revenue is the problem. Was AC profitable? Everyone here will say yes because of the handful of times they were in a crowded AC on their trips, but unless we have actual figures, we'll never know. Too small a sample size from just observations (and skewed ones at best), as opposed to Fiscal Year report. My guess, and this was after my final visit to PI right before the shuttered it, was that it was not. Just like the other clubs, so it really wasn't helping it's cause. I still remember walking into 8 Trax on a Friday, and it was empty towards the end, as was the whole PI area.

 

[wdw71fan]

which of you are right?

They are both right actually.. and some of the artifacts have been trashed (unfortunately) as well.

 

[wdw71fan]

And you're right. I'd like to see Kitchen Kabaret come back (or, Empress Lilly, or Sunrise Terrace, etc.). That'd probably be a better comparison (without the revenue stream issue) for size, etc.

I think the argument about revenue is the problem. Was AC profitable? Everyone here will say yes because of the handful of times they were in a crowded AC on their trips, but unless we have actual figures, we'll never know. Too small a sample size from just observations (and skewed ones at best), as opposed to Fiscal Year report. My guess, and this was after my final visit to PI right before the shuttered it, was that it was not. Just like the other clubs, so it really wasn't helping it's cause. I still remember walking into 8 Trax on a Friday, and it was empty towards the end, as was the whole PI area.

Truth is that AC was merely a victim of a stale concept (PI concept, not AC) .. And by stale, I mean the area was left to 'let it ride' and didn't keep plussing PI.. and thats why it's gone.. There are various 'mini' reasons .. but the fact is that it lost it's marketability.

 

[wdw71fan]

And you're right. I'd like to see Kitchen Kabaret come back (or, Empress Lilly, or Sunrise Terrace, etc.). That'd probably be a better comparison (without the revenue stream issue) for size, etc.

I think the argument about revenue is the problem. Was AC profitable? Everyone here will say yes because of the handful of times they were in a crowded AC on their trips, but unless we have actual figures, we'll never know. Too small a sample size from just observations (and skewed ones at best), as opposed to Fiscal Year report. My guess, and this was after my final visit to PI right before the shuttered it, was that it was not. Just like the other clubs, so it really wasn't helping it's cause. I still remember walking into 8 Trax on a Friday, and it was empty towards the end, as was the whole PI area.

Agreed.. Horizons, WoL , etc, are grander in scale.. I would say it more like Kitchen Kabaret for sure.. or Dare I say in, the Adventureland Veranda..

 

[Did Knee]

I think the argument about revenue is the problem. Was AC profitable? Everyone here will say yes because of the handful of times they were in a crowded AC on their trips, but unless we have actual figures, we'll never know. Too small a sample size from just observations (and skewed ones at best), as opposed to Fiscal Year report. My guess, and this was after my final visit to PI right before the shuttered it, was that it was not. Just like the other clubs, so it really wasn't helping it's cause. I still remember walking into 8 Trax on a Friday, and it was empty towards the end, as was the whole PI area.

This is why I favor a re-opened AC with increased revenue sources. An attached AC themed restaurant and a large and very quirky gift shop would augment the income. They could also do an AC movie utilizing the characters in warped "adventure" stories with scenes filmed in the club (their base of operations) which would make the AC a destination IF the movie could garner any popularity. Disney COULD make big money with this franchise if they only put their "imagineering" to the grindstone here.

 

[mcjaco]

Truth is that AC was merely a victim of a stale concept (PI concept, not AC) .. And by stale, I mean the area was left to 'let it ride' and didn't keep plussing PI.. and thats why it's gone.. There are various 'mini' reasons .. but the fact is that it lost it's marketability.

I think that's part of the problem AC was very kitchy. It didn't have much mass appeal. And yes, the whole PI thing was a mess. I loved going when I was in my twenties. It was somewhere my parents could go off and do things (they love line dancing), and I'd hit up the comedy club, or the beach club.

This is why I favor a re-opened AC with increased revenue sources. An attached AC themed restaurant and a large and very quirky gift shop would augment the income. They could also do an AC movie utilizing the characters in warped "adventure" stories with scenes filmed in the club (their base of operations) which would make the AC a destination IF the movie could garner any popularity. Disney COULD make big money with this franchise if they only put their "imagineering" to the grindstone here.

Of all the ideas I've heard floated around via the interwebs, I did actually like the idea f adding AC to Adventureland. It'd fit in perfectly, and would give the MK a sit down option that it's sorely missing.

 

[Did Knee]

Of all the ideas I've heard floated around via the interwebs, I did actually like the idea f adding AC to Adventureland. It'd fit in perfectly, and would give the MK a sit down option that it's sorely missing.

I don't like this option for two reasons. One is the MK ban on Alcohol (AC is funnier after a couple of Kungalooshes). Second, when there were no little ones in the club, the entertainment could go a little on the blue side. Without the suggestive humor and double entendres, the humor might be somewhat limited.

 

[mcjaco]

I don't like this option for two reasons. One is the MK ban on Alcohol (AC is funnier after a couple of Kungalooshes). Second, when there were no little ones in the club, the entertainment could go a little on the blue side. Without the suggestive humor and double entendres, the humor might be somewhat limited.

The alcohol would be one issue. I think you could reimagine the AC with kids in mind. It's not like Pixar or any of the other animated movies don't have some double entendres. So I don't think it's be that big of a stretch.

Otherwise, you're looking at AK....I don't think it fit into the World Showcase real well.

 

[Clever Name]

No, you are instigating. When you come onto a thread entitled "Save the Adventurers Club" and begin to discuss a non-existent demolition, you are not discussing the thread's topic in the slightest, but are in fact trolling.

I think it’s important to keep all options open considering the fate of the AC. While it is certainly loyal of you to hope for the return of the club in all its glory, reality tells us that the club has been closed for many years and there are no real signs to indicate any sort of reopening. I’m kind of a glass half full guy myself so I always prefer to look upon the bright side of life.

To wander about with a hope of the AC reopening is fine but to exclude the possibility that it may never reopen hurts your cause. You know, when you’ve got lemons, why not make lemonade? I think it’s important to consider all the possible outcomes and make plans accordingly.

For example, if the AC building is demolished, wouldn’t it be cool to have a piece of the building in the form of a keychain or a tie clip? Or perhaps pieces of the building could be fashioned into swizzle sticks to be enjoyed with adult beverages. For the haters, some of the debris could be made into door mats and they could wipe their feet on these as they chuckle about the demise of the AC.

Sure, it would be great if the AC came back but what’s wrong with making the best out of a bad situation? I’m not saying the AC is definitely going to be demolished. Who knows, the building might just be repurposed as a retail shop selling Disney plush. Whatever the outcome, I think as true adventurers we must be prepared and plan for all options.

Looking at all options is important. A fellow adventurer friend of mine wanted to climb the highest point on earth and he set out for Mt. Everest. Little did he know until later that because of the oblate spheroid shape of the earth, Mt. Chimborazo in Ecuador is actually the highest point on the planet. He kept his options open and climbed Mt. Chimborazo. He has a rock from there in the form of a key chain. :wave:

 

[Did Knee]

Otherwise, you're looking at AK....I don't think it fit into the World Showcase real well.

AK is just too remote for a night spot in my opinion, and it closes too early anyway. My two fav alternate locations would be World Showcase where the Outpost is (Think INTERNATIONAL Adventurer's Club) or close down the Atlantic Dance Hall at Boardwalk and put it there. Although honestly I've never been in that building and I have no idea how it would work internally. The location though would have enough traffic I think.

 

[Dubman]

I understand the idea of the club not being as profitable as TDO would have liked, but I had also always noticed a direct relationship between crowd levels in the parks, and crowd levels at PI in general.. When my wife was teaching, we went during school breaks.. Parks were packed, and pleasure island was packed. Not just AC, but Comedy Club, and from what we could tell, the other clubs were as well. A few times we went in October during slower times at the park. Those times PI had a noticably lower crowd level. Did they expect more out of the Island than it could produce during those times? Busier nights at AC they had more shows etc... Slower nights, fewer shows and CMs' therefore less costly to run. Just seems like a bad business decision, then something that had to go because of low profits.

:shrug:

 

[wdw71fan]

I don't like this option for two reasons. One is the MK ban on Alcohol (AC is funnier after a couple of Kungalooshes). Second, when there were no little ones in the club, the entertainment could go a little on the blue side. Without the suggestive humor and double entendres, the humor might be somewhat limited.

i agree.... While AC would be PERFECT in adventureland... I mean PERFECT, it would be lacking without alcohol.. And I don't see the company changing it's policy on MK being dry.. it's just not likely...

So.. lets say MK is out.. DTD/PI/WestSide is out... What about World showcase? I know world showcase is built as Country - Country - Country - Country... But what if a new structure were built in he Outpost area? 'deep' within the trees.. A long torch-lit trail running into a structure reminicent of the original, but distinctly different.. and you simply tie the story of the original into the new (but OLDER) building... This is the 'long lost' location of the adventurers club (BUT WE FINALLY FOUND IT!!).. with plenty of homages to the first, tongue and cheek.. etc..


it could work.. and Epcot/World Showcase would be a GREAT fit with the rest of the restaurants, and pubs (rose and crown) etc...

 

[Mouse Detective]

AK is just too remote for a night spot in my opinion, and it closes too early anyway. My two fav alternate locations would be World Showcase where the Outpost is (Think INTERNATIONAL Adventurer's Club) or close down the Atlantic Dance Hall at Boardwalk and put it there. Although honestly I've never been in that building and I have no idea how it would work internally. The location though would have enough traffic I think.

ADH is way too huge inside to be a location for a future Adventurers Club. Heck, it's even too huge for the dance club that it is!

 

[wm49rs]

Actually, AK could be an ideal consideration. Thematically, it does fit. And if/when the Avatar plans finally come to fruition, AK could truly become an evening park. The AC (along with the Rainforest Cafe) could provide venues for adults and families coming out of the park, with minor adjustments to earlier shows.

 

[DznyGrlSD]

which of you are right?

Probably both of us? Check out D-street next time you're at Downtown Disney - most of the items from the Zebra Mezzanine and from the walls are in there.

Trader Sam's at Disneyland also got some Adv. Club stuff, including the ship in a bottle that sinks

 

[71jason]

I think the argument about revenue is the problem. Was AC profitable? Everyone here will say yes because of the handful of times they were in a crowded AC on their trips, but unless we have actual figures, we'll never know. Too small a sample size from just observations (and skewed ones at best), as opposed to Fiscal Year report. My guess, and this was after my final visit to PI right before the shuttered it, was that it was not.

So everyone else who uses anecdotal evidence is wrong--but your anecdotal evidence must be right?

Actually, then DTD-VP Kevin Lansberry went on record in the Sentinel admitting the Club was profitable int he days before it closed.

To say nothing of the fact that some of us were/are friends with managers, bartenders, servers, actors, door hosts, security guards, and just about every other type of CM who worked PI and they all give roughly consistent accounts. Some of them might even have shared numbers back when the clubs were open.

 

[71jason]

Actually, AK could be an ideal consideration. Thematically, it does fit. And if/when the Avatar plans finally come to fruition, AK could truly become an evening park. The AC (along with the Rainforest Cafe) could provide venues for adults and families coming out of the park, with minor adjustments to earlier shows.

I think AK could work with another, smaller entertainment district, encompassing the AC, RFC, and at least one dance club. Could use a section of AK parking, same bus stops. Although financially and aesthetically, the best choice is still TO UTILIZE THE PRE-EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T BEING USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE AFTER 3 AND A HALF YEARS.

 

[Mouse Detective]

Although financially and aesthetically, the best choice is still TO UTILIZE THE PRE-EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T BEING USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE AFTER 3 AND A HALF YEARS.

Amen.