Rumors. Musings. Casual.

[mkt]

Sure only a couple thousand per flight.

Depends on the city pairs and potential for reward currency redemption.

 

[ChrisFL]

Sure only a couple thousand per flight.

I've been able to go for under $1,000 per ticket depending on when you book

 

[mickEblu]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but I have a few ideas:

1- Stop buying stuff- Just Stop. Create your own or leave it alone. Seems like the surest way to stop losing so much money and might increase creativity of your own products.

2- Sell off Hulu- cut your losses, if you MUST have streaming move whatever you want off of it to DisneyPlus. Sell the rest.

3- The Simpsons- This doesn't fit the brand and might actually be worth something- sell it off

4- Stop buying stuff- Again- bears repeating- This isn't Pokemon. You don't have to catch them all. Do you really need 20th Century Fox?

5-Streamline what you do now own- Marvel has been milked dry. License it out with approval of character use. Do something worthwhile with the Muppets who actually do appeal and are appropriate to all ages.

6- Actually put the money into the parks. Listen to what people are saying about LL and Genie and being nickel and dimed to death. Let people control their own AC in the resorts for heaven's sake. Revamp the food. And stop raising prices because people aren't coming as repeat visitiors as they have in the past. The mindset needs to change. Clearly Disney can't afford to alienate people who would do trips every couple of years especially since Uni is stealing some of their thunder with the new park.

I'm sure I can think of more but these are the first things that came to mind.

Wait, you can’t control the AC at WDW Disney resorts?

 

[JD80]

I've been able to go for under $1,000 per ticket depending on when you book

So cheap.

 

[IanDLBZF]

I've been able to go for under $1,000 per ticket depending on when you book

With which airline?

 

[bmr1591]

Btw if I was building a third Disneyland in North America, I’m going where very entrenched money is.

And I’m thinking Vancouver.

Too cold. You have to put it somewhere people will want to visit at all times of the year.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I just got back. $300 for 2 days at Epcot, $260 a night at riverside. Lived on Joffreys coffee and counter service. Haha.

I was tempted to pay for hopping to say goodbye to the bears but I didn’t haha.

…yeah…I’ll pass on that

Did you least load up on crap to sell on eBay and make your money back?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sure only a couple thousand per flight.

Makes that $465 on southwest from Philly or Baltimore to Orlando look like a real steal, huh?

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

The parks seem like they’re fine in terms of long term potential. Genie+ was a bit of a disaster and I think people are fed up at the moment, but will still return if things improve. The cruise lines are doing well. I haven’t heard anything about licensing money but it seems like Target toys and Gap tee shirts still sell well. On the physical merchandise / vacation side they seem pretty well poised, but it seems like something’s gotta change with streaming. Either they license to other streamers or price individual content, but again, I just don’t see how the math on “everything for the price of a movie ticket, or less” works.

I'm somewhat optimistic on Genie+ and the general app situation improving. They removed the last of the COVID-era restrictions this month with the reservations and 2PM park hopping and they've at least indicated that they're aware of the annoyances people have with Genie+ and are exploring ways to improve it (just getting rid of the forced 7:00 AM wake up everyday would be a huge improvement IMO).

On the topic of Universal vs. WDW, I just got back from my first Florida trip in a decade going to both resorts and WDW was just so much better of an experience. WDW still excels over Universal in almost every category, especially in customer service. Disney definitely should be wary of Uni continuing to grow, but personally as a product, WDW is still an untouchable experience.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Universal is just so much easier now to visit than Disney, a lot less restrictions and jumping through hoops

Even at a large price…the ease of express over the F-tangle inside the lamp is a huge plus.

That wasn’t so before the Bobs messed it up…they’ve lost the crowd management game

And without massive construction there isn’t and a mathematical way to fix it

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm somewhat optimistic on Genie+ and the general app situation improving. They removed the last of the COVID-era restrictions this month with the reservations and 2PM park hopping and they've at least indicated that they're aware of the annoyances people have Genie+ and are exploring ways to improve it.

On the topic of Universal vs. WDW, I just got back from my first Florida trip in a decade going to both resorts and WDW was just untouchable. WDW excelled over Universal in almost every category, especially in customer service. Disney definitely should be wary of Uni continuing to grow, but personally as a product, WDW is still an untouchable experience.

Genie isn’t failing because of “restrictions”…

That’s a red herring

It’s failing for the same reason plus did: there are not enough seats to gobble up the guests.

It’s math. They lost the game when they added no real new capacity in the aggregate over 20 years

 

[ChrisFL]

With which airline?

United Airlines this coming trip (26 more days), back in September I booked with American/JAL for about the same price, slightly more

 

[Notes from Neverland]

Following along here and I'm not seeing anything yet that's even remotely new information to anyone who has been following Disney the past few years. It's national news (routinely) that Disney is hurting in many areas. And, we all know they have to bite the bullet and make some tough decisions sooner than later. In my opinion the sooner the better.

All of that said, I don't know if it'll be a historical cataclysm that dwarfs other bad periods in Disney's history. There have been some *bad* times. We'll see how this all plays out, but I think the truth right now isn't as doom and gloom as some say, and isn't the rosy picture others paint.

As a side note, I can't help but say that Jim has some of the worst takes where many are convinced he's trolling for attention. For example:



Even if we ignore that Hando tells you exactly who he is in the first 20 seconds, guests don't need to know everything about a ride before going into it. Rides can be great without a backlog of knowledge. Some of the best pre-show characters are 'made for ride' characters, like Dr. Seeker. Anyway, rant over.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Following along here and I'm not seeing anything yet that's even remotely new information to anyone who has been following Disney the past few years. It's national news (routinely) that Disney is hurting in many areas. And, we all know they have to bite the bullet and make some tough decisions sooner than later. In my opinion the sooner the better.

All of that said, I don't know if it'll be a historical cataclysm that dwarfs other bad periods in Disney's history. There have been some *bad* times. We'll see how this all plays out, but I think the truth right now isn't as doom and gloom as some say, and isn't the rosy picture others paint.

As a side note, I can't help but say that Jim has some of the worst takes where many are convinced he's trolling for attention. For example:



Even if we ignore that Hando tells you exactly who he is in the first 20 seconds, guests don't need to know everything about a ride before going into it. Rides can be great without a backlog of knowledge. Some of the best pre-show characters are 'made for ride' characters, like Dr. Seeker. Anyway, rant over.

Well we discuss trying to predict what we think should be done…
You never know? Maybe it gets on somebody’s desk. Not a bad waste of time.

Disney parks have NEVER had a down period in a good economy. That’s the canary in the coal mine here.

As far as Shull goes…I believe it’s his way of saying those Star Wars rides are inadequate. They are. Some of us knew that the minute they announced and didn’t go for the IP that has stood the test of time.
And here we are. Time for a retrofit

 

[ChrisFL]

Following along here and I'm not seeing anything yet that's even remotely new information to anyone who has been following Disney the past few years. It's national news (routinely) that Disney is hurting in many areas. And, we all know they have to bite the bullet and make some tough decisions sooner than later. In my opinion the sooner the better.

All of that said, I don't know if it'll be a historical cataclysm that dwarfs other bad periods in Disney's history. There have been some *bad* times. We'll see how this all plays out, but I think the truth right now isn't as doom and gloom as some say, and isn't the rosy picture others paint.

As a side note, I can't help but say that Jim has some of the worst takes where many are convinced he's trolling for attention. For example:



Even if we ignore that Hando tells you exactly who he is in the first 20 seconds, guests don't need to know everything about a ride before going into it. Rides can be great without a backlog of knowledge. Some of the best pre-show characters are 'made for ride' characters, like Dr. Seeker. Anyway, rant over.

The problem with Hondo is that he isn't in any of the movies and he isn't familiar unless you've watched whatever series/episodes he's in (I haven't).

I really wish they'd have Han Solo or Lando there, but the timeline for Galaxy's Edge is supposedly after The Last Jedi (we'll ignore Kylo Ren's helmet).

 

[pheneix]

For your Disney nostalgia…you can go to Tivoli gardens

And euro…which still has the most beautiful castle park ever built

Efteling is best park in Europe by miles. You don’t need to be the biggest or the flashiest to make people feel.

 

[pheneix]

2- Sell off Hulu- cut your losses, if you MUST have streaming move whatever you want off of it to DisneyPlus. Sell the rest.

3- The Simpsons- This doesn't fit the brand and might actually be worth something- sell it off

Yeah… on Hulu and Simpsons… you’re right. And Iger is doing the exact opposite on both. The EXACT opposite.

 

[pheneix]

On going to Europe for far less…

The flights are the hardest part. If you’re a group of people there is some creativity involved to save more money in the end.

But once you’re there, every option open to you is usually more affordable. That’s when you figure out you can do it for less than Orlando. Much less.

 

[mickEblu]

The problem with Hondo is that he isn't in any of the movies and he isn't familiar unless you've watched whatever series/episodes he's in (I haven't).

I really wish they'd have Han Solo or Lando there, but the timeline for Galaxy's Edge is supposedly after The Last Jedi (we'll ignore Kylo Ren's helmet).

I agree but i think they were trying to avoid a human AA there (that Finn AA on ROTR is scary) and probably thought Chewie was redundant as he would be a prominent walk around character. Then again where is C-3PO? Why he is never walking around the land? I still have never run into R2. Why isn’t Yoda in some little walk through attraction?

 

[pheneix]

Too cold. You have to put it somewhere people will want to visit at all times of the year.

Fair point. Tho Paris, Tokyo, Beijing, Osaka, and (soon) England can show how to make the money in cold weather.