RUMOR: WDW purposely restricting FOP fastpasses

[mousehockey37]

Surprisingly, no. I loved it.

HAHA... I stand corrected.

 

[RustySpork]

HAHA... I stand corrected.

It's the only part of Pandora that isn't bad.

 

[Bolt]

Not on this ride. Have you seen the queue size? You can be talking about several hundred people sitting in a line for three hours.

I am not sure what the capacity per hour for FOP is, but I think it is two or three times the amount of FP+ they are putting out each hour. I know what the number of FP+ given per hour is, but I will not divulge that info. It's really low. Statistically, you should play the lottery instead of trying to get an FOP FP.

Didn't realize 1000's of people a day win the lottery. I should have been buying tickets!

 

[GenerationX]

I figure the stand by line is going to be pegged at two hours or three hours all day, regardless of FP. People decide to get in the stand by when they see the wait time is within acceptable limits for them ... not based on how fast the line itself is moving. Also, the number of riders for the day will be the same, regardless of FP (the attraction will run at full capacity all day).

Therefore, the amount of time people spend in the FoP queue will be greater if FPs are severely limited. A higher percentage of riders will have waited two or three hours in this new scenario than in the old.

 

[peter11435]

I just spoke to a CM friend of mine who works at HQ in the stats processing department. He said that Disney was experimenting with severely restricted FP at FOP to "manage" crowds and "enhance" guest experience. By manage crowds, it is designed to keep more people in the FOP stand-by for longer waits. This helps drive other AK attraction wait-times down. If you've tried to get a fastpass for FOP, you will know that it is near impossible due to the very limited number available per hour and FP+ plus scalpers (multi-passholder businesses buying annual passes for individuals and keeping the accounts and bands).

I have an email out to another buddy that does the software engineering on their FP+ system to confirm.

This is a pretty sad state of affairs.

I'm curious where exactly your friend works

 

[mousehockey37]

I'm curious where exactly your friend works

Bus driver?

 

[tirian]

Isn't crowd manipulation one of the reasons they implemented the system in the first place?

Yes, which is why the HM can post 20-minute waits on dead days in late September (pun fully intended).

 

[Disone]

Yes, which is why the HM can post 20-minute waits on dead days in late September (pun fully intended).

Yes but that was a grave mistake. I dig what you're saying but in the wake of all the information I think the subject should just be buried.

 

[larryz]

Yes but that was a grave mistake. I dig what you're saying but in the wake of all the information I think the subject should just be buried.

You are just tomb funny.

 

[Kman101]

Holding back FP's for Flight of Passage means the standby line moves better. The OP's rationale doesn't make any sense.

I noticed the same thing @Rodan75 did. They seem to be experimenting with holding up FP line for a bit longer. Some attractions, not all. Sometimes it felt like I breezed right on some things in FP.

I still don't believe some things need FP, the lines become a mess, notably Pirates, Spaceship Earth and Haunted Mansion

 

[davis_unoxx]

Holding back FP's for Flight of Passage means the standby line moves better. The OP's rationale doesn't make any sense.

I noticed the same thing @Rodan75 did. They seem to be experimenting with holding up FP line for a bit longer. Some attractions, not all. Sometimes it felt like I breezed right on some things in FP.

I still don't believe some things need FP, the lines become a mess, notably Pirates, Spaceship Earth and Haunted Mansion

I rode Nemo In April and it was mid day, the line was 5 min. But I already had FP, because it was either that or Pixar Film Festival or whatever. We were only ones in Fastpass line, there is no reason why they added fastpass for omnimovers and boats.

 

[Kman101]

I rode Nemo In April and it was mid day, the line was 5 min. But I already had FP, because it was either that or Pixar Film Festival or whatever. We were only ones in Fastpass line, there is no reason why they added fastpass for omnimovers and boats.

Agreed. I've had the same thing with Nemo lol

 

[davis_unoxx]

Agreed. I've had the same thing with Nemo lol

Can't believe they have fastpasses for Pixar Film Fest and Muppetvision. I went on Living with the Land in June of 2010 last time before Fastpass, does that ride have a wait now? Also I went on Mexico ride in April, and for such a high capacity (and underwhelming) ride, I was surprised that the queue could hold maybe 50 people. Why is the queue so small? LOL

 

[Kman101]

Can't believe they have fastpasses for Pixar Film Fest and Muppetvision. I went on Living with the Land in June of 2010 last time before Fastpass, does that ride have a wait now? Also I went on Mexico ride in April, and for such a high capacity (and underwhelming) ride, I was surprised that the queue could hold maybe 50 people. Why is the queue so small? LOL

The Gran Fiesta queue is super small. If they ever put in a more popular IP they'd have to expand that. I for one have never really seen much of a wait for it. Some have seen it get one but I haven't.

Film Fest and MuppetVision (and most shows) don't need FP but considering the parks have few rides, leading to tiers, they have to add everything they can as a FP option.

LwTL I've seen get a decent line at times, depending on the crowd. I've seen it up to 30 minutes.

 

[Princess Leia]

I just find it surprising that Film Fest, a show with three films that can be found online (though without the 4D effects), has Fast Pass, but Ellen & Gran Fiesta- 2 rides- and American Adventure- an achievement in Disney AA shows- do not.

 

[Disone]

I just spoke to a CM friend of mine who works at HQ in the stats processing department. He said that Disney was experimenting with severely restricted FP at FOP to "manage" crowds and "enhance" guest experience. By manage crowds, it is designed to keep more people in the FOP stand-by for longer waits. This helps drive other AK attraction wait-times down. If you've tried to get a fastpass for FOP, you will know that it is near impossible due to the very limited number available per hour and FP+ plus scalpers (multi-passholder businesses buying annual passes for individuals and keeping the accounts and bands).

I have an email out to another buddy that does the software engineering on their FP+ system to confirm.

This is a pretty sad state of affairs.

Honestly, you lost me at HQ and stats processing Department.

 

[davis_unoxx]

I just find it surprising that Film Fest, a show with three films that can be found online (though without the 4D effects), has Fast Pass, but Ellen & Gran Fiesta- 2 rides- and American Adventure- an achievement in Disney AA shows- do not.

The Gran Fiesta Tour queue can hold like two boats worth of people not joking, so that is why. Can someone post a picture of the queue?

 

[larryz]

The Gran Fiesta Tour queue can hold like two boats worth of people not joking, so that is why. Can someone post a picture of the queue?

Not the brightest quality, but this YouTube video shows the scope of the queue area...

 

[davis_unoxx]

Not the brightest quality, but this YouTube video shows the scope of the queue area...

I wonder how they will expand the queue if Coco comes to fruition.

 

[Kman101]

I wonder how they will expand the queue if Coco comes to fruition.

@Sped2424 suggested they could use the nearly empty shops right behind the queue. I don't ever really see anyone in them and they're tucked away so they seem ripe for an extended queue. No other place really unless they want the queue going up the ramp and out the door